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OHgamer said:
It would need to be a community in either Hertfordshire or Buckinghamshire, as that province represents those two English counties.
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Staffordshire is bigger than both of those counties but yet its threw to the side as if it doesn't exist, Like Derbyshire, Two of the most productive counties in England. Hertfordshire or Buckinghamshire :rofl:

You seem to be obsessed with the home-counties, Maybe you are a redcoated horse ridding fool who talks with a plum in your mouth?
 
OHgamer said:
No one is stopping yourself or anyone else from developing your own map mod.

If Xie and I can do it, anyone with the desire and the time to do so can avail themselves of the opportunity and develop their own maps for the benefit of the Victoria player community as a whole.

In the end, however, this is not and has never been a community project, this is a project that Xie and I are developing. We solicit commentary from others, but the final decisions regarding all aspects of the mod will be made by the two of us.
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OHgamer said:
I have decided to to put out a call for people interested in collaborating on a new map project for Victoria that I am calling Clio.
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:rolleyes: contradiction if you ask me, I offered help in making a better map but nah, Brushed aside. Fine keep your "market towns" and your cathedral cities with population of 1,000 like Bath, I haven't 2 billion posts on here and a clique of dorks to back me up, Last post here..

But if you're asking me, You are ignoring this because you are clearly out of your depth on this map and know very little about England, I bet Germany is prefect isn't it!
 
There is no point in trying to placate or reason people like AoE.

As for Watford, I'm not sure if that is too near to London. Although saying that, there are no real alternatives, and Watford is nevertheless in Hertfordshire.
 
In the Slovenia 2.0 map shouldn't "Postojna" become "Capodistria" instead??? It is my understanding that for all political, military and economic reasons that "Capodistria" was the major city in the area (indeed it was only in 1909 that Postojna even granted TOWN status!!). Furthermore, for the entire timeframe of the game the area would be either under Austrian or Italian rule, and not using the Slovenian name of "Koper". The HoI2 map project screenshot that PW posted seemed to fit the name of "Capodistria" in okay, so I imagine there is room??
 
(This is all from looking at the Greek map)

Thinking at how to break modern FYROM up some more - the "Trikala" and "Larisa" provinces could be merged (and re-tweaked a little) to better represent Greek gains following their brief invasion that occurred during the wake of the Russo-Turkish War (IIRC in 1881 a resolution was finally reached, leading to Greece looking like this). This extra province could then be used for Macedonia (Greece looks overcrowded anyway, so it would be nice to break up Macedonia some more).

Also, I think that some of the naming is a bit more foreign language-based. Let's not forget that despite other countries calling a city something, English speakers still called them other names ("Peking" and "Canton" in China being just two examples that come to mind quite quickly). Some of the examples I've seen from the Greek map include:

"Izmir":
In English, the city was called Smyrna until the early twentieth century and has been called İzmir since. In written Turkish it is spelled with a dotted İ at the beginning.
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"Early twentieth century" meaning from 1923 onwards. So only for 13 years of the game was this province called "Izmir". Definitely warrants renaming (and I dare say a few other Turkish provinces - that can fit renaming in their borders - do).

"Janina" - *think* this is either the Greek or Turkish way to spell "Ioannina" (perhaps just an older name??). Can't remember exactly where I've seen it, but very rare for the English language to use a 'J' in this context, nonetheless.

There are bound to be more, but I'd recommend reviewing the English names of these places, as opposed to the tranliteration/translation of the place names from other languages at this time.
 
Rossiya said:
As for Watford, I'm not sure if that is too near to London. Although saying that, there are no real alternatives, and Watford is nevertheless in Hertfordshire.
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I agree with Rossiya- although do they have to be Towns? If district names are allowed, both Aylesbury and Wycombe have relatively high populations.
 
Fengryffen said:
I agree with Rossiya- although do they have to be Towns? If district names are allowed, both Aylesbury and Wycombe have relatively high populations.
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Aylebury town was in the same position as St Albans at this time - not all that much going on. I can't really think of any town from this time in Buckinghamshire or Hertforshire which was sporadically developing like some cities during this time (for an instance of sporadic growth during the 19th century then Glasgow growing ten fold would be just one example). St Albans got city status, and that's about all I can think of so far as 'growth' goes.
 
Palisadoes said:
Nice! :cool: Any news on making the map less Turko-centric and more accurate according to the English language naming of the time??

EDIT: And for China too: Beijing should be Peking for this time, etc...
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agree, so we all use wade-Giles system for China, i.e Nanjing> Nanking, Taibei> Taipei, Tianjing> Tientsin. Just to name a few


This is a great map, especially for the east asia area
 
We are keeping Pinyin spellings for most of the Chinese cities, though renaming a few of the larger Chinese cities to their common English names (Peking, Nanking, Chungking, Canton is already in) is an option we are still considering. The bizarre letter combinations that Wade-Giles uses for sertain Chinese phonemes makes Pinyin preferable for use in game to do province searches, in my opinion, and thus it was chosen as the default transliteration system for the Chinese provinces.

As for Izmir/Smyrna, I'm still mulling that one over.
 
OHgamer said:
We are keeping Pinyin spellings for most of the Chinese cities, though renaming a few of the larger Chinese cities to their common English names (Peking, Nanking, Chungking, Canton is already in) is an option we are still considering. The bizarre letter combinations that Wade-Giles uses for sertain Chinese phonemes makes Pinyin preferable for use in game to do province searches, in my opinion, and thus it was chosen as the default transliteration system for the Chinese provinces.

As for Izmir/Smyrna, I'm still mulling that one over.
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Ahh glad for the consideration. I realise the map is there also for the possibility of an MDS, but it should first and foremost be for the Victorian era (in which it is Peking, Smyrna, Constantinople, etc...). Like I say though... I think Jamie550's map utility tool could edit the naming of the provinces on the map *relatively* easily after it's release. What font are you using, btw?

Also... any calls for beta-testers, event (re)writers, POP file creators, etc... yet?? Moreover, have you finalised what provinces will be what numbers in the province.csv file??

In addition, are you going to create a tiles.bmp file for your map, or just rescaling the colorscales.csv file (I'd recommend not creating a tiles.bmp, personally, as it just slows the game down and the game seems more playable if it is like the HoI terrain mapmode) ??
 
Palisadoes said:
Ahh glad for the consideration. I realise the map is there also for the possibility of an MDS, but it should first and foremost be for the Victorian era (in which it is Peking, Smyrna, Constantinople, etc...). Like I say though... I think Jamie550's map utility tool could edit the naming of the provinces on the map *relatively* easily after it's release. What font are you using, btw?
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That is probably true, since the province names will be a direct part of the artwork of the map, you'll have to use Jamie's tool to erase the name, redraw the underlying map features, and then add the name. The font is Art Gothic.

Also... any calls for beta-testers, event (re)writers, POP file creators, etc... yet?? Moreover, have you finalised what provinces will be what numbers in the province.csv file??
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Province numbers are assigned and the POP files are done with a couple exceptions. Beyond that, once Xie and I get the base map done we'll consider how much wider to open up the project.

In addition, are you going to create a tiles.bmp file for your map, or just rescaling the colorscales.csv file (I'd recommend not creating a tiles.bmp, personally, as it just slows the game down and the game seems more playable if it is like the HoI terrain mapmode) ??
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Plan was not to create tiles.bmp exactly for that reason.
 
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