1.27 Poland and Romania; Feedback for provinces

[Mingmung]

Hello there,

Some feedback for Poland and Romania. If the devs want a more 'correct' Poland/Romania (at least one without mistakes), then they could just copy this work. I took great care to place the towns in the correct locations, I mainly used Google Maps for this, but also historical maps like these ones:
- https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Podział_administracyjny_I_RP.png
- https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Partitions_of_Moldavia.jpg
- https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Tara_Romaneasca_judete_1601-1718.svg

#1 Notec: The Notec is a Polish river, it doesn't make sense as a province-name. The Prussians used the German name (Netze) for a district there when they conquered it, but the Polish never did. The current capital of this province is Notec (it was Bydgoszcz before, but this city isn't located here, but in the province of Inowroclaw), but the Notec is a river, as mentioned earlier. The capital and province-name should be Naklo (nad Notecia).

Sources:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netze_District
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakło_nad_Notecią
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noteć

#2 Inowroclaw: The current capital of Inowroclaw is Inowroclaw (2), but the location is actually that of Bydgoszcz (1). The position of the town of Inowroclaw should be changed to the correct one (2).

#3 Kujawy: The capital of Kujawy is currently Wloclawek (2), but it's actually in the incorrect position and should arguably be Brzesc-Kujawski (1), which was the seat of the voivodeship. So, I suggest renaming the capital to the latter and placing it in the correct spot.

#4 Tarnow: The capital is still in the location of another city; Rzeszow. I moved it to the correct location.

#5 Przemysl: Moved the capital of Przemysl (1) a little bit. Also took off a chunk of the province itself and gave it to Lwów. Drohobycz (2) is actually located within the confines of this province instead of its own province.

#6 Lwów: The capital-city isn't located within the current province. Moved the capital to the correct location right beneath the town of Belz. Had to chip away a bit of Przemysl to do this.

Source:
- https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Podział_administracyjny_I_RP.png

#7 Halicz: Renamed this province to Halicz and moved the city a bit to the right position. This is currently still the province of Drohobycz, but that town wasn't located here.

#8 Kolomyja: Kind of the same situation as the one above; Renamed this province to Kolomyja and moved the city a bit to the right position. This is currently still the province of Halicz, but that town wasn't located here. Also took a bit off this province and gave it to Suceava (Moldavia), as the important town of Cernauti isn't even located there currently. It was incorrectly drawn in the basegame of EU4. The town of Kolomyja was sometimes contested between the Polish kings and the Moldavian voivodes.

Sources:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolomyia
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernivtsi [/SPOILER]

#1 Severin: Took a small bite away around the river for Ottoman-controlled Vidin. Otherwise, nothing has changed.
#2 Craiova: The current name (Oltenia) makes no sense if the historical area has been split into two provinces (one of which is Severin). So, renamed it to Craiova, its capital. Also moved the town a little bit.
#3 Tirgoviste: Nothing has changed.

#4 Ilfov/Bucuresti: Modern-day Romania does indeed have a country which is called Giurgiu and the town/stronghold did indeed exist and was of importance on the Danube. Only one slight problem here; it was conquered by the Ottomans around 1417, to control traffic on the Danube. I'd personally change the capital and name to Bucharest. Vlasca or Ilfov might be better names for the province itself, though, with Bucharest as capital. I know it didn't exist yet, but so have more cities in EU4 (like Sulimaniyeh in the Kurdistan region). Bucharest is more than important enough to warrant some attention, it even has its own mission.

Anyway, Giurgiu makes zero sense and is a modern mistake.

Sources:
- https://www.britannica.com/place/Giurgiu-Romania
- https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Tara_Romaneasca_judete_1601-1718.svg

#5 Buzau: The location of the city itself is plain wrong, so fixed that.

#6 Suceava: Moved it to the right spot and took a chunk away from Kolomyja (already talked about above). Terrain should be woodlands or hills and it definetely needs some dynamic province-names.

#7 Iasi: Changed the shape to fit the historical divisions more, as well as the partitions. The city had to be moved to the correct location, too. The province is now entirely on the right bank of the Prut river.

#8 Birlad: It's name could use a slight change, namely to Bârlad. Only bit a little part of it and gave it to Iasi. Its current dynamic province-names are still the same as the ones the old EU4-province of Moldava had.

#9 Tighina: Elongated it a bit and gave its 'capital' (stronghold of Bender/Tighina) the correct spot on the map.

#10 Basarabia: Moved the capital of Chilia to the correct position, as well as cutting the province at the Danube-delta to make way for an Ottoman-controlled Dobruja/Tolcu province.


Terrain-types (especially in Romania) and dynamic province-names (which are entirely lacking for all new provinces here) should be looked at in general, as well as the data for later start-dates. If you guys need more info/sources on those issues, I can provide that. Although it shouldn't be hard to find on the internet.

EDIT: Drohiczyn, Dobrzyn and Poznan have been fixed in the past few months.

 

[Mingmung]

interesting in what region will the new DLC focus, I think it may be the Balkan region or the Scandinavian-Baltic region?

I guess it’s the HRE/Italy. Let’s hope we see more tomorrow.

 

[Van Kasten]

I guess it’s the HRE/Italy. Let’s hope we see more tomorrow.

For an Immersion Pack? Man, that would really suck!

 

[Mingmung]

For an Immersion Pack? Man, that would really suck!

Well, my personal hope is one for the Ottomans (Balkan update) or one for Spain (unlikely, also with an Iberian update).

I think it's the HRE, because they recently asked for mechanics and other suggestions on Twitter and I saw Jake reading some two-months old thread about Italy.

So, in terms of likelihood:
- HRE (Austria focus?)
- (Italy, which might be included within a HRE DLC)
- Ottomans
- France
- Iberia (Spain-focus)

My personal wet-dream would be an European expansion the size of Dharma (in terms of province-quality). Very unlikely, though.

 

[Van Kasten]

Well, my personal hope is one for the Ottomans (Balkan update) or one for Spain (unlikely, also with an Iberian update).

I think it's the HRE, because they recently asked for mechanics and other suggestions on Twitter and I saw Jake reading some two-months old thread about Italy.

So, in terms of likelihood:
- HRE (Austria focus?)
- (Italy, which might be included within a HRE DLC)
- Ottomans
- France
- Iberia (Spain-focus)

My personal wet-dream would be an European expansion the size of Dharma (in terms of province-quality). Very unlikely, though.

The next is an Immersion Pack. So one general mechanic and mostly nation-specific ones. Italy/HRE need a DLC since the amount of content they lack is HUGE.
Spain can be a good pick, but not very high on their priority list, as the Balkans.

 

[Mingmung]

The next is an Immersion Pack. So one general mechanic and mostly nation-specific ones. Italy/HRE need a DLC since the amount of content they lack is HUGE.
Spain can be a good pick, but not very high on their priority list, as the Balkans.

By all means, I hope you're right.

 

[jrgen3]

Dobrzyn's (4524) capital is currently called Dobryzn. I suggest renaming it Dobrzyn.
I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, so I hope it's ok that I shamelessly used this thread for that purpose as it's a quite small suggestion, and I don't think it needs a thread of its own.

 

[Mingmung]

Dobrzyn's (4524) capital is currently called Dobryzn. I suggest renaming it Dobrzyn.
I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, so I hope it's ok that I shamelessly used this thread for that purpose as it's a quite small suggestion, and I don't think it needs a thread of its own.

Aaah a spelling-mistake, nice catch! This is an excellent thread for that, no worries.

I will update this thread as soon as possible with some good and easy suggestions for the mistakes.

 

[BalticM]

Aaah a spelling-mistake, nice catch! This is an excellent thread for that, no worries.

I will update this thread as soon as possible with some good and easy suggestions for the mistakes.

I've played Lithuania lately, actually concept is better now and Lithuania is more playable. But still some stuff simply drives me crazy.. If you can please mention few more things in summary. Especially point 1.

1. Please change state for Polotsk. Now Polotsk is TERRITORY at game start which is just absurd and very very ANNOYING. Polotsk should be moved to White Ruthenia state.
2. Podlasie development is too high. I think it was just forgotten when development was redistributed. Neighboring Brest, Grodno and Navahrudak - all should be more developed than Podlasie for any given period between 1444 and 1820. Brest, Grodno and Navahrudak were among most important towns of GDL (far more important towns than Minsk as example) with highest provincial population densities and urbanisation rates in Belarusian region. Polish culture for year 1444 in Podlasie I think is also incorrect. Polish (or Mazovian in reality) became majority only later.
3. There could be more centers of trade in GDL. I could suggest quite a few, but from balance perspective I think territory of Belarus needs one the most. Best candidates would be Brest & Grodno, both were towns with largest concentration of Jewish merchants on the main roads between Poland & Lithuania. Mogilev would be candidate on eastern flank, though it developed into important trade center only later after loss of Smolensk.

I see you are correcting town locations For GDL nearly all towns are misplaced, most just a little, but for game play I really don't care about such things. What I care more is that tags of Smolensk, Polotsk, Chernigov have plenty of wrong provinces. But that's probably different topic.

 

[Mingmung]

I've played Lithuania lately, actually concept is better now and Lithuania is more playable. But still some stuff simply drives me crazy.. If you can please mention few more things in summary. Especially point 1.

1. Please change state for Polotsk. Now Polotsk is TERRITORY at game start which is just absurd and very very ANNOYING. Polotsk should be moved to White Ruthenia state.
2. Podlasie development is too high. I think it was just forgotten when development was redistributed. Neighboring Brest, Grodno and Navahrudak - all should be more developed than Podlasie for any given period between 1444 and 1820. Brest, Grodno and Navahrudak were among most important towns of GDL (far more important towns than Minsk as example) with highest provincial population densities and urbanisation rates in Belarusian region. Polish culture for year 1444 in Podlasie I think is also incorrect. Polish (or Mazovian in reality) became majority only later.
3. There could be more centers of trade in GDL. I could suggest quite a few, but from balance perspective I think territory of Belarus needs one the most. Best candidates would be Brest & Grodno, both were towns with largest concentration of Jewish merchants on the main roads between Poland & Lithuania. Mogilev would be candidate on eastern flank, though it developed into important trade center only later after loss of Smolensk.

I see you are correcting town locations For GDL nearly all towns are misplaced, most just a little, but for game play I really don't care about such things. What I care more is that tags of Smolensk, Polotsk, Chernigov have plenty of wrong provinces. But that's probably different topic.

The map of the GDL and its surroundings is a little twisted, so city-placement is indeed a bit off, although it can be explained and is not as much of a pain as Poland, or Moldavia (grrrr....). I'm indeed focusing on general corrections, not on flavor or areas. Just province- and city-placement.

 

[Zak Preston]

Grand Duchy of Lithuania is in an extremely unique and interesting position right now:

• it's not a great power (in essence), nor it's a minor at the start.
• during most of EU4 timeline it was a subject or even ceased to exist as a separate political entity
• It's territories belonged to Poland, Russia, Ottomans and only a few times for a relatively short while a few political entities emerged (for example, Cossacks Hetmanate or Ruthenia/Ukraine during Bohdan Khmelnytsky's uprising)

This is why Lithuania gets a couple of new provinces once in a while: Third Rome brought a few, then Poland update added some, and I suspect that hypothetical "Pontic Steppes" patch would also update provinces layout a little bit. Each map update that has touched Lithuania was quite inconsistent, especially 1.27 Poland felt extremely rushed and unpolished.

If Poland didn't get it's own Immersion pack, there is now way Lithuania might get one as well, so the only hope is to wait for a free update focused around GDL, which is also kinda improbable...

 

[fr-rein]

I agree that the map needs more love. Corrections and later adding more provinces.
Again, I think that Dniester Estuary in particular deserves attention.

 

[musMiro]

Dynamic province names for current Lithuanian provinces, which can be updated right now, as i doubt they will change province count and add more updates to a map as BalticM suggested. Which is sad, of course, as those suggestions are awesome and huge research is done there.

But fix these at least, for now:

PALENKÉ - PALENKE
Toropets - TOROPECAS
Mogilev - MOGILIAVAS
Kremenets - KREMENECAS
Nowogrodek - NAUGARDUKAS
Lida - LYDA
Bobrujsk - BABRUISKAS
Lubnie - LUBNAI
Bransau - BRESLAUJA
Vyazma - VIAZMA
Winnica - VINYCIA
Sluck- SLUCKAS
Brasta - BERESTIJA
Mstislav - MSTISLAVLIS
Perejaslavas - PEREJASLAVLIS
Trubchevsk - TRUBCEVSKAS
Rylsk - RYLSKAS
Owrucz - OVRUCAS

also historical renames:

Rivne - Luckas (Historical center)
Ukmerge - VILKMERGE (that would be more historical name -sounds better)

Spoiler: Links Lithuanian sites, to prove names above

https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palenkė_(regionas)
you are using É (with apostrophe) now, while it should be with dot (Ė).
But as it is not possible to use ĖČŠŪŽ, let's use ECSUZ instead, as in all previous names.
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toropeco_kunigaikštystė
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mogiliavas
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kremenecas
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naugardukas
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyda
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babruiskas
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubnai
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breslauja
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viazma
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinycia
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sluckas
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berestija
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mstislavlio_vaivadija
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perejaslavlio_kunigaikštystė
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desna https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursko_sritis
https://www.limis.lt/paieska/perziu...6tUUesas9H&s_ind=560&valuable_type=EKSPONATAS

Capitals of these provinces should be renamed as well, especially new added ones. Like Wilkimierz, Nowogrodek, Lubnie, etc..., but old ones like Vilna, Kovno doesn't look good too? I'm not sure how you determine the language there.. depending on culture?

 

[Mingmung]

So, a small update with all of the (updated) solutions which are quite easy to implement:

Red circles indicate new positions of cities.
1. Naklo with the capital of Naklo nad Notecia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakło_nad_Notecią
2. Tarnow (only moved the city)
3. Drohiczyn should be the name of the capital, not Bialystok: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drohiczyn
4. Belz (used it to determine Lwów's position)
5. Lwów moved to the right location, had to cut a part from Przemysl.
6. Inowroclaw (only moved the city)
7. Renamed the province of Drohobycz to Halicz. There's no space for a separate Drohobycz within Przemysl.
8. Renamed to Kolomyja, because I moved Halicz to the current province of Drohobycz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolomyia
9. Kujawy (only moved the city of Wloclawek)
10. Dobrzyn's city is misspelled: it should be Dobrzyn, too. It's Dobzryn or something at the moment.

1. Ilfov with the city of Bucaresti.
2. Buzau (only moved the city)
3. Moved the city of Suceava as well as some adjustments to its borders.
4. Moved the city of Iasi as well as some adjustments to its borders.
5. Moved the city of Bender (Tighina) as well as some adjustments to its borders.
6. Moved the city of Kilia to the correct location on the right side of the Danube and cut Dobruja from it (may be done in the future, if necessary).

The provinces of Iasi and Birlad should portray a partitioned Moldavia better (the river Prut should actually be the border of the provinces), although they're still not 100% correct (as in-game province-size has to be taken into consideration, too):

Spoiler: Partitions of Moldavia:

@Trin Tragula @neondt @RodDel

Implementing this would redeem the map-changes of the Poland patch and actually make it (more) accurate.

 

[fr-rein]

So, a small update with all of the (updated) solutions which are quite easy to implement

I can agree with these changes. Current borders of Moldova if we count partitions by different Empires are wrong, it can be simply observed when looking at the lategame maps reflecting boreders where Moldova is reduced to Birlad.

Spoiler: personal proposal, mostly about Tighina

I have posted a proposal in my thread (here) about Moldova. @Mingmung got borders well, especially Suceava, Birlad an Iasy. But I think that Tighina (town itself) should be a part of a different province and the suggested Tighina province should be split.
Lets take a look at the Ottoman Empire borders - Tighina is clearly included as a part of it, but not all that bank of Dniester - it remained under the vassal Moldavia. Tighina was important as the crossing point for the Ottoman Army as they didn't go through Budjac to Yedisan due to Dniester Estuary. Making it separate and strategic point would be reasonable, as well as making that bank of Dniester divided into two provinces which is reasonable for the province size in Mingmung's suggestion.
In order to compensate for the new province there could be added new area for the Black Sea coast with Dobruja. For example, taking Dobruja despotate and adding Budjac to it as a continuation of it could work, reflecting the administrative divisions (Silistria Eyalat) and the fact that it lied both within Romania and Bulgaria.
In my own suggestion I've asked for a few more provinces (Cernauty, Khotyn, one more near Birlad, Bacau) which more or less should correspond with Victoria 2 map. The suggestion to add these is driven by the fact that some of them Moldavia loses (Budjac, Tighina, Khotyn) and is left with less provinces while remaining with less provinces - but still regaining some power and relevance. The better split in provinces could also reflect on the processes going in Moldova, including the magnat wars and such. Being a transit zone and a battlefiled for Cossacks, Ottomans, the Commonwealth and Russian Empire it is justified for the area to get more or less plenty of provinces.

In short: Tighina should be split further, other provinces should be considered to be added, perhaps divide Moldavia into Moldavia and Bessarabia areas.

 

[Mingmung]

While we like these suggestions, they came in a bit too late to make it into the 1.27 Update (where time was unusually tight due to the GDPR update we had to do). We'll be looking to see about putting them into a future update.

Thanks for the suggestions!

We're a few months later now, the Iberia patch was launched in the meantime, as well as some new dev-diaries this year. Are you guys still planning to look at this? 2019 should be the year wherein you guys can fix all kinds of stuff; we've already heard you about QoL- and bugfix-changes. What about the wrongs on the map-updates from last year? Surely those can get fixed, too?

To be clear; we're talking mistakes here. Not design-decisions (please inform me, otherwise). I'm of the opinion those issues are of the same importance as general bug-fixes (not the major hotfix-ones). People want to immerse themselves into this game, it's hard to do if the region is made incorrectly. Mistakes in the Poland patch, as well as the Spain one (I know, other topic), make people uneasy about the upcoming changes to Europe. Please take this seriously. I'm kind of nervous about the map-changes coming to Europe this year myself, I'd rather not have a repeat of things.

I'm also iffy about you guys not coming forth and clearly admitting that mistakes were made; these issues have been adressed as 'feedback', 'further improvement', 'good suggestions' or even as design-choices (concerning province-density in Iberia). The mistakes didn't even receive a proper mention in the wrap-up dev diary of 2018, only a line about the fact that the devs can always look back at a region again. There's no shame in admitting mistakes/wrongs, even not for a publisher/game-developer. We're only human after all and making mistakes helps us learn and shouldn't be a taboo.

I know a Dutch proverb which goes: 'Een ezel stoot zich niet tweemaal aan dezelfde steen' (a donkey doesn't bump his head to the same stone twice). This basically means that people don't make the same mistake again. I hope this saying is right and that you guys deliver a quality map this year, even though I'm still pessimistic about it.

Back to the map of Poland and Romania itself: If there are things you'd like to have further elaboration on (or more sources), then I can provide those. Gameplay shouldn't be affected with these changes. If there's something else, please let me know. I always appreciate it if people 'challenge' my suggestions; makes for a better end-result. I'd rather have an honest and good discussion than silence.

Spoiler: Updated first post:

I updated the first post with the following two maps detailling the corrections I made. Further elaboration is in the spoiler-tags beneath them.
Some feedback for Poland and Romania. If the devs want a more 'correct' Poland/Romania (at least one without mistakes), then they could just copy this work. I took great care to place the towns in the correct locations, I mainly used Google Maps for this, but also historical maps like these ones:
- https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Podział_administracyjny_I_RP.png
- https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Partitions_of_Moldavia.jpg
- https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Tara_Romaneasca_judete_1601-1718.svg

Spoiler: Elaboration on feedback for Poland:

#1 Poznan: Should be placed close to the river Warta.

#2 Notec: The Notec is a Polish river, it doesn't make sense as a province-name. The Prussians used the German name (Netze) for a district there when they conquered it, but the Polish never did. The current capital of this province is Bydgoszcz (Bromberg), but this city isn't located here, but in the province of Inowroclaw. The capital and province-name should be Naklo. The shape to the north should be adjusted somewhat when the HRE gets an update.

Sources:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netze_District
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakło_nad_Notecią
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noteć

#3 Inowroclaw: The current capital of Inowroclaw is Inowroclaw (2), but the location is actually that of Bydgoszcz (1). The position of the town of Inowroclaw should be changed to the correct one (2).

#4 Kujawy: The capital of Kujawy is currently Wloclawek (2), but it's actually in the incorrect position and should arguably be Brzesc-Kujawski (1), which was the seat of the voivodeship. So, I suggest renaming the capital to the latter and placing it in the correct spot.

#5 Dobrzyn: Location and name are correct, the capital-city has a misspelled name, though. It should be Dobrzyn instead of the current Dobryzn.

#6 Palenké: The town of Drohiczyn was the capital of this voivodeship before it became a backwater much later on. It's location on the EU4-map fits, but the base-game of patch 1.26 still has Bialystok as capital (which is incorrect and also in the wrong location and only became important long after the Swedish Deluge). So, the name should be changed to Drohiczyn, nothing else has to be done.

Sources:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drohiczyn
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Białystok

#7 Sandomierz: Moved it more upstream, nothing else.

#8 Tarnow: The capital is still in the location of another city; Rzeszow. I moved it to the correct location.

#9 Przemysl: Moved the capital of Przemysl (1) a little bit. Also took off a chunk of the province itself and gave it to Lwów. Drohobycz (2) is actually located within the confines of this province instead of its own province.

#10 Lwów: The capital-city isn't located within the current province. Moved the capital to the correct location right beneath the town of Belz. Had to chip away a bit of Przemysl to do this.

Source:
- https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Podział_administracyjny_I_RP.png

#11 Halicz: Renamed this province to Halicz and moved the city a bit to the right position. This is currently still the province of Drohobycz, but that town wasn't located here.

#12 Kolomyja: Kind of the same situation as the one above; Renamed this province to Kolomyja and moved the city a bit to the right position. This is currently still the province of Halicz, but that town wasn't located here. Also took a bit off this province and gave it to Suceava (Moldavia), as the important town of Cernauti isn't even located there currently. It was incorrectly drawn in the basegame of EU4. The town of Kolomyja was sometimes contested between the Polish kings and the Moldavian voivodes.

Sources:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolomyia
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernivtsi

Spoiler: Elaboration on feedback for Romania:

#1 Severin: Took a small bite away around the river for Ottoman-controlled Vidin. Otherwise, nothing has changed.
#2 Craiova: The current name (Oltenia) makes no sense if the historical area has been split into two provinces (one of which is Severin). So, renamed it to Craiova, its capital. Also moved the town a little bit.
#3 Tirgoviste: Nothing has changed.

#4 Ilfov/Bucuresti: Modern-day Romania does indeed have a country which is called Giurgiu and the town/stronghold did indeed exist and was of importance on the Danube. Only one slight problem here; it was conquered by the Ottomans around 1417, to control traffic on the Danube. I'd personally change the capital and name to Bucharest. Vlasca or Ilfov might be better names for the province itself, though, with Bucharest as capital. I know it didn't exist yet, but so have more cities in EU4 (like Sulimaniyeh in the Kurdistan region). Bucharest is more than important enough to warrant some attention, it even has its own mission.

Anyway, Giurgiu makes zero sense and is a modern mistake.

Sources:
- https://www.britannica.com/place/Giurgiu-Romania
- https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Tara_Romaneasca_judete_1601-1718.svg

#5 Buzau: The location of the city itself is plain wrong, so fixed that.

#6 Suceava: Moved it to the right spot and took a chunk away from Kolomyja (already talked about above). Terrain should be woodlands or hills and it definetely needs some dynamic province-names.

#7 Iasi: Changed the shape to fit the historical divisions more, as well as the partitions. The city had to be moved to the correct location, too. The province is now entirely on the right bank of the Prut river.

#8 Birlad: It's name could use a slight change, namely to Bârlad. Only bit a little part of it and gave it to Iasi. Its current dynamic province-names are still the same as the ones the old EU4-province of Moldava had.

#9 Tighina: Elongated it a bit and gave its 'capital' (stronghold of Bender/Tighina) the correct spot on the map.

#10 Basarabia: Moved the capital of Chilia to the correct position, as well as cutting the province at the Danube-delta to make way for an Ottoman-controlled Dobruja/Tolcu province.

Terrain-types (especially in Romania) and dynamic province-names (which are entirely lacking for all new provinces here) should be looked at in general, as well as the data for later start-dates. If you guys need more info/sources on those issues, I can provide that. Although it shouldn't be hard to find on the internet.

 

[Mingmung]

The patch has just hit us and there were some slight updates to Poland in it:

Credits where credits are due:
- Drohiczyn is finally the capital for Palenké (good).
- The typo in Dobrzyn has been fixed (also good).
- The capital of Notec is now... Notec (not good). The Notec is just a river; it should be Naklo nad Notecia, the province-name as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakło_nad_Notecią

Anyway, still disappointed it isn't fixed all the way. I mean, come on guys, this is just barely scratching the surface; a half-measure. I basically wrote you an easy fix without adding new provinces. Even providing sources, just in case. I know modders who can fix this within an hour, this basically makes me wonder what's happening. Did you guys have other priorities the past 5 months? Do you guys think the current setup is justified and WAD? Do you guys just don't care? I mean, I'm really starting to think it's the latter. I've made pages upon pages of research and suggestions on this subforum; not just about this region. That's hours upon hours of work, not because I get paid for it, nope, because I loved this game. Others have done the same. What's happening that you guys can't even fix such things properly? I seriously wonder.@neondt @DDRJake @Groogy @RodDel

 

[Matihood1]

The patch has just hit us and there were some slight updates to Poland in it:

Credits where credits are due:
- Drohiczyn is finally the capital for Palenké (good).
- The typo in Dobrzyn has been fixed (also good).
- The capital of Notec is now... Notec (not good). The Notec is just a river; it should be Naklo nad Notecia, the province-name as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakło_nad_Notecią

Anyway, still disappointed it isn't fixed all the way. I mean, come on guys, this is just barely scratching the surface; a half-measure. I basically wrote you an easy fix without adding new provinces. Even providing sources, just in case. I know modders who can fix this within an hour, this basically makes me wonder what's happening. Did you guys have other priorities the past 5 months? Do you guys think the current setup is justified and WAD? Do you guys just don't care? I mean, I'm really starting to think it's the latter. I've made pages upon pages of research and suggestions on this subforum; not just about this region. That's hours upon hours of work, not because I get paid for it, nope, because I loved this game. Others have done the same. What's happening that you guys can't even fix such things properly? I seriously wonder.@neondt @DDRJake @Groogy @RodDel

Not only that yours but my thread about Polish dynamic province names (which can be found in my signature) got completely ignored as well. Berlin still gets renamed to "Rypin", Pressburg still has 2 dynamic names, Wenden still uses a dynamic name that doesn't fit the EU4 timeline and other various mistakes.

 

[fr-rein]

Same thing that happened to any, even small, Golden Century fixes. Unless said otherwise, it'll take years till the region is updated again (if they plan to do it again) as even Iberia is out of scope for next European update. Peasant ramble successfully ignored.

 

[fr-rein]

@Mingmung a late addition, but I have found a useful map collection with administrative divisions of said regions in XVI century. It could be useful for adjusting local borders and such in a better way.

Can't say much about how it should reflect on map yet, but all in all borders are probably quite arbitrary for the area and need just a rework because Lwow province in particular should be placed under Belz. So, it is not that Lwow alone is misplaced, but probably a whole province is rather odd even if remember about projection.

Edit: two quick previews!

Spoiler: Pics

Lwow under Belz

 

[Mingmung]

Small update: It seems the city-location of Poznan has been changed accordingly (the new Germany ddiary showed it).

Also something of note; CK2 does have a Naklo province instead of a Notec one. I hope the devs will do the same thing for EU4-Notec in the future; it really should be Naklo.