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I want that perk. I need it.

It might even make me want to rush synthetic ascension now instead of larking about with cyborgs and ringworlds. Synthetically ascended empire should be able to get this perk, right?

That and Shared Dynasty are both machine empire perks.

Also Shared Dynasty perk gives -50% influence cost for intergrating empires
 
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Maybe, but 20% bonus for making 40% of your pops almost useless is not that good.
Keep in mind, it's a 20% to all ressources (gained by robots), +2 Influence (which is easly 20% of what you gain lategame, anyways), and Unity, which you can only generate from planet-unique buildings otherwise.

I would say, +- this could turn out balanced. For the finer details and judgement, we'll have to wait to see how it plays out.
 
They need to look at the V.O. for hiveminds. Why would it be "We have done xyz" when a gestalt conciousness would have no concept of "Us". Would it not be better for the Hive Mind V.O. to say "I have done xyz"?
 
They need to look at the V.O. for hiveminds. Why would it be "We have done xyz" when a gestalt conciousness would have no concept of "Us". Would it not be better for the Hive Mind V.O. to say "I have done xyz"?
a hive mind would have no concept of language, it simply thinks and acts, this is why they have trouble with diplomacy with single minded creatures.

the words that the player is presented with when playing as them are just what those simple-minded individuals think that hives must use or that is easy for them to understand.
 
Just curious here but is it possible for a Machine Empire, hive mind, and regular empires to form a federation between each other?

I'm thinking that if that's possible then that's what Wiz needs to do in his stream in order to take down that Xenophobic Fallen Empire.

Also what happens if a non-Machine Empire defeats the Determined Exterminators? Can you spare the evil robots and just reprogram them or are you forced to dismantle them?

And I like that crab bot featured in the stream.

I also wonder what the shared destiny Ascension Perk does.
 
Just curious here but is it possible for a Machine Empire, hive mind, and regular empires to form a federation between each other?

I'm thinking that if that's possible then that's what Wiz needs to do in his stream in order to take down that Xenophobic Fallen Empire.

Also what happens if a non-Machine Empire defeats the Determined Exterminators? Can you spare the evil robots and just reprogram them or are you forced to dismantle them?

And I like that crab bot featured in the stream.

I also wonder what the shared destiny Ascension Perk does.
they've said it's possible, it's just really hard to overcome the natural dislike that exists between them, so you'd need to structure your entire game around doing it.
 
Also what happens if a non-Machine Empire defeats the Determined Exterminators? Can you spare the evil robots and just reprogram them or are you forced to dismantle them?

And I like that crab bot featured in the stream.

I also wonder what the shared destiny Ascension Perk does.

Every machine pop conquered by organic empire is automatically dismantled, although synthetic ascended empires can integratete the machines.

The machines in the machine consciousness empires don't have self awareness--only the central network do. There's nothing evil about a empty chassis. In the end, they are just machines after all.
 
They need to look at the V.O. for hiveminds. Why would it be "We have done xyz" when a gestalt conciousness would have no concept of "Us". Would it not be better for the Hive Mind V.O. to say "I have done xyz"?
Simple: Majestic Plural.
 
Simple: Majestic Plural.
Empires with God Emperors should use that. I mean, everything that happens under God Emperor K'reel is practically done by God Emperor K'reel (as far as the credit goes).
 
Keep in mind, it's a 20% to all ressources (gained by robots), +2 Influence (which is easly 20% of what you gain lategame, anyways), and Unity, which you can only generate from planet-unique buildings otherwise.

I would say, +- this could turn out balanced. For the finer details and judgement, we'll have to wait to see how it plays out.
The extra influence is nice, especially considering they are missing factions. Unity also, though that is really very little per pop (like factor 3-6 less than what the real unity buildings do) .

The 20% is nice, but still not totally efficient:
Assume 10 pops do 10 minerals each -> 100 minerals.
Now let 6 pops to 12 minerals (20% bonus) each-> 72 minerals.
-> 72% efficiency ignoring other stuff. Let's add 10% due to the "free" unity (done by 40% of the pop but with only ~25% efficiency). Still very low.

Same holds for any other income and also any combination of resources.

It gets even worse if you additively include other boni, for example:
Every pop gets 20% extra due to traits:
10 pops do 12 minerals each -> 120 minerals.
6 pops to 14 minerals (20%+20% bonus) each-> 84 minerals.
-> 70% efficiency.

And that is despite ignoring the fact, that pampering has increased consumer goods per pop. On the other hand with the recent change you do save building costs. But those are one-time costs.
 
Can non-Servitor machine empires use displacement? If they can't, then Servitores are the only ones who could get away with conquest without triggering the rest of the galaxy.
 
Can non-Servitor machine empires use displacement? If they can't, then Servitores are the only ones who could get away with conquest without triggering the rest of the galaxy.

Yes, as long as they're not Exterminators.
 
https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/895940587760824320
"It returns."
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Personal purge delivery is back on the menu. Only for slaves.
 
Personal purge delivery is back on the menu. Only for slaves.
So we can't purge our citiziens? What about caste system?
 
Manual purge/disassembly can be done in the following instances:
- You are a Hive Mind (to anyone)
- You are a Machine Intelligence (to any Drone pop)
- The species has the Slavery citizenship type
- The Pop is a Robot, Droid or Synth without citizenship rights

It cannot be done to any species that has any sort of basic rights. The rules for it are moddable though.
 
Dammit! I hoped I will be able to eliminate all unhapiness from my empire :(