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Cicero said:
i have no clue what this means:


can someone please explain it to me? maybe with an example?
i do understand the words but the whole sentence doesnt make any sense for me... :wacko:
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This sentence is written by r*oken69.

An example is the peace screen in EU. It does not contain all things that you may want to be included in the peace.

Say you are nation A in war with nation B. You have the upper hand in the war and demand province X from B. He says: nah, but you can buy it from me for 300d. I give it to you in the peace and you send me the 300d later on. Agreed you say and send your request for X which B accepts.

After a few days B asks: when does my money come? And you answer: sucker, I won't pay you a dime :p

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We have two things happening
1. a province transfer
2. a money transfer

Now, in reality they would happen at the same time, i.e. simultanously. By e.g. signing a legally binding document for the province transfer and perhaps by giving away a sack with gold for the money transfer.

But in the game this is impossible. The peace screen only accepts transfers in one direction, from one nation to another, not both ways. Thus you must trust eachother and this rule makes that a sure thing. You cannot refuse to pay the money.
 
thanks ForzaA and Daniel for explaining, now i understand.
i never experienced such an exploit in game, one could say its the most un-gentleman-like way a player can behave in game.
 
Daniel A said:
Or clouds temporarily darkened your mind when when you formulated post 49 and thus it does not mirror your true view on the subject (this is the easy way out for you FAL :p ) and you have always intended to allow them. Also Good! :)
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I see where you are coming from.
I guess I just expressed myself poorly, which happens often when I write responses fast.
 
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ForzaA said:
I am talking about a Sweden that wants to be protestant (as all her provinces are protestant)
for ~10 years (1520-1530 approx), this will mean low stab costs (relatively) and more census tax.
Then, to get an event she changes her religion to catholic (read: increases innovativeness by 1), and gets an event, which changes her to protestant,(read: gives 2 explorers, a boatload of merchants and money) she remains protestant after that and profits again from full tax income, and low stabcost(read: she reduces her innovativeness by 1 again to get more colonists and missionaries).
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So, it is precisely as I said: Sweden starts as catholic, switches to protestant, then switches to catholic again (to get the event). And that is not allowed. Event or no event.

If Sweden chooses to go protestant because of the rewards, then has to stay protestant and thus miss the event. Or she stays catholic and chooses the historical route to the event that allows her to become protestant.
Sweden can't do both. At least not in my games :D
 
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FAL said:
I am surprised you know so many exploits as a newbie by the way :D
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Is the thing of having talked to veterans and read some of the threads about it here and in the spanish forum and then test it out :D
 
FAL said:
So, it is precisely as I said: Sweden starts as catholic, switches to protestant, then switches to catholic again (to get the event). And that is not allowed. Event or no event.

If Sweden chooses to go protestant because of the rewards, then has to stay protestant and thus miss the event. Or she stays catholic and chooses the historical route to the event that allows her to become protestant.
Sweden can't do both. At least not in my games :D
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Then I ask you *again* why is switching religion to get an event NOT allowed, and shifting your DP sliders is no problem.

And also, what about England taken historical event options (going protestant, going catholic again, going protestant again) ? :p
 
ForzaA said:
Then I ask you *again* why is switching religion to get an event NOT allowed, and shifting your DP sliders is no problem.
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Because switching religion is a general exploit and shifting DP sliders is not.
The case you mentioned with England is hardly worth calling an exploit because of the long time it will take the player to prepare for such benefits.

And also, what about England taken historical event options (going protestant, going catholic again, going protestant again) ? :p
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Only with event choices? No problem.

Fonzie, please be aware that I am not so immensily interested in discussing my own opinions here. I reserve my game-thread for that ;)

I am in the progress of figuring out which event-abusing there is that can be listed as an exploit.
 
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sainte-therese said:
Been reading this thread, some of this I never throught of.

Is it possible to destroy an enemies maufactory?
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Yes, the force-burning exploit. Each time an army moves through a province there's a small odd that the manufactory will be burned.
So, when you give repeated stop-move orders to an army in a province with a manufactory, the manufactory will ultimately be destroyed.
 
Elio,

All are certainly offensive in American English. Bitch is offensive in all English dialects, especially when used toward or in the context of women.

That said, much, much worse is used routinely in EU II games. ;) I wouldn't worry about it.
 
Daniel A said:
I give it to you in the peace and you send me the 300d later on. Agreed you say and send your request for X which B accepts.
After a few days B asks: when does my money come? And you answer: sucker, I won't pay you a dime :p
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Well, np: You know I'm a GM that does many edits between the session ...
 
i posted that in bugs 2 years ago. It wasn`t fixed. I`m not sure another trying will be more successful.

Besides i didn`t see big problem, since bankrupcy is shown.
 
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