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Chapter 87, Downing Street, 15 March 1937

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It was a lovely, bright, crisp, Spring day. The Cabinet members, with the ordeal of the Abdication behind them, gathered in a happy, optimistic mood. Halifax, walking over from a breakfast with his close friend Dawson of the The Times, was quickly in step with a cheerful Ormsby-Gore, the President of the Board of Trade. Something was in the air, a new King was established, and a Conservative majority administration was in place. Halifax, however, seemed distracted, as if troubled by an underlying tension; India, like a dark cloud on a sunny day, remained, far off, threatening. Keeping his cool reserve, and accompanied by Ormsby-Gore, he arrived at Downing Street.

“Ah, alright,” Eden said, brightly. It was clear, as he strode into the Cabinet meeting, that he was still enjoying the job. “One agenda item for today, if you please,” this was said in a commanding tone. “I, ah, think that we agreed to look today at the King’s Speech. We’re planning, just to remind you all, the full ceremony and festivity for His Majesty to open our Parliament and present our programme. So,” he turned to Oliver. “I think that the, ah, economic measures should come first.”

“Well, Prime Minister, we will do two things. We will make announcements in the King’s Speech, and then a budget the week after,” Stanley said, relying on his notes. “With the Bank of England now onboard, we will announce the Defence Contribution in the King’s Speech.”

Ormsby-Gore coughed to attract attention. “Does that mean you’re trailing this in other speeches first? To allay the fears of the big companies.”

Stanley nodded. “To be fair, it’s a Baldwin Cabinet idea that never got the traction it deserved, so much of the uncertainty has already passed through the markets, but yes, the Prime Minister and I have agreed that I will give a speech at a dinner tomorrow, and the Prime Minister will record some remarks for the news reels in the pictures to go out over the next couple of weeks.” Eden nodded his agreement. “The CDC…”

Inskip, the President of the Board of Education, was confused. “The ‘C’DC?”

“Yes, Sir Thomas. We ultimately went with ‘Collective’ rather than ‘National’ Defence Contribution. We thought that it was more encompassing, ‘we’re all in it together’, you see?” Inskip nodded. “This will be the tone of the budget.”

“What levels did we agree?” That was Walter Womersley, the Agriculture Minister. Many of his charges were small businesses, modest farms and family-owned fishing boats.

“Good question, Walter. I propose that the CDC is payable by persons or corporate entities trading, in industry or in the professions a levy on profits exceeding two thousand pounds will be made. Walter, we have deliberately kept this high, the Treasury calculates that nine of ten family fishing concerns will be unaffected.” Womersley nodded happily.

“The point is that we’ve scrapped the Chamberlain idea for an alternative calculation based on holdings,” Eden said proudly. “The CDC goes for profits, nothing more.”

“Quite, Prime Minister,” Stanley offered. “The charge will apply to an average of profits over years nineteen thirty-four, thirty-five and thirty-six. We previously discussed a rate of seven percent for most entities.”

“Thank you, Chancellor. Does Oliver have our final approval?” There were nods, Eden scribbling a note next to his agenda. “Very well, you have your authority, let’s makes sure it is announced in the King’s Speech for the full detail in the budget the week after.”

Kingsley Wood looked concerned. “Perhaps, Prime Minister, we should encourage Neville to speak up in the House during the debate. Bring him into the fold? He is a former Chancellor.”

“I disagree,” Margesson, the newly confirmed Home Secretary, who had hitherto rarely spoken at Cabinet, immediately interjected. “At worst it makes him look like our puppet master, at best we look like we’re pinching the undeveloped ideas of the Baldwin Government.”

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“But Neville could still be an asset to the Party, David,” Kingsley Wood said, earnestly.

All eyes fell on Eden, who seemed disconcerted by the attention. “Thank you, ah, Howard, for your suggestion; I tend to agree with the Home Secretary,” he inclined his head towards Margesson, “who is perhaps especially qualified, given his former role, to think of how this may be, ah, perceived. Neville can sit this one out,” he said, simply but firmly. “Moving, ah, on. Foreign Secretary?”

"The Speech will contain the usual wording about friendly relations, we’ll include the idea of the Yugoslav visit that His Majesty has agreed to, that we’re looking to forge links with Mediterranean and Baltic powers, but that’s about it.” Kingsley Wood finished reading and looked up.

“Include,” Eden said after a pause, “something about non-intervention in Spain, but then something about ‘while trying to mitigate human suffering’.” Kingsley Wood nodded. Eden wanted to move on. “And, ah, I suppose that we’ll be conducting visits to France. Next?”

“Empire, India, Palestine, and so forth,” Zetland, a former Secretary of State for India but now Leader of the Lords, said hurriedly.

“Yes, that’s in,” Eden said, quickly, “as discussed at our last meeting, His Majesty will express sadness at the situation in India, pleasure…”

“…pleasure?”

“Yes, Lord Strathcona,” Eden snapped.

“Perhaps,” the Attorney General, Somervell said after a pause, “saying ‘pleasure’ is rather emotive. What about ‘approval’?”

“Yes, perhaps, we, ah, have His Majesty express approval that the situation in Palestine is improving, and talk about the need for a long term, ah, India settlement.”

“Which we don’t yet have a plan for,” Stanley said, wryly. Eden airily waved a hand, dismissing the point. Halifax, feeling judged by the Chancellor, scowled.

“Then it’s the treasury bit,” Stanley offered, “general domestic and global outlook, which Trade,” he nodded at Ormsby-Gore, “and I have agreed.”

“Good work, Oliver, thank you.”

“Then it’s the Public Order Act,” Margesson said, “which we haven’t discussed in full Cabinet.”

“You’ve summarised your ideas though,” Strathcona, the Secretary of State for War, said languidly.

“Perhaps a reminder of the provisions would be useful,” Eden said.

“We haven’t finalised the details, but broadly, an offence prohibiting the wearing of political uniforms in public, another one banning all uniformed protests, a requirement to notify the local constabulary of any planned protest, a power for constabularies to search all protesters, a power to ban, limit in size or duration, or to alter…”

“…alter?”

“Yes, Foreign Secretary, to alter the route of any protest on the grounds of public protection or nuisance.” Margesson paused. “There are also the national protection provisions, which will tighten the right of protest of workers in armament factories, dockyards, railways, inland waterways, and aerodromes.”

“Labour,” Stanley said softly, “will hate this.”

Margesson looked up at the Chancellor. “So? We will also introduce a new range of offences to protect public order.”

“Thank you, Home Secretary. Questions?”

Inskip, a seasoned lawyer, looked concerned. “Will the notification requirement have a time specified? So, for example, at least one day before the protest is scheduled. And do we define a protest? Is it five people with a flag, or five thousand?”

“They’re good points, Sir Thomas,” Eden agreed, “but for a later Parliamentary debate. I remind you at this stage, we are merely signalling our programme, our, ah, intent. Are we agreed that the Public Order Act goes in the speech?” There were nods. “Thank you, gentlemen.”

“I suppose I’m next,” the Earl of Plymouth, the rather unwilling Minister of Labour, said without interest. “The new Factories Bills have been given the nod from the civil servants, so HM will announce them.”

“Thank you,” Eden said, to his former Foreign Office subordinate. “Then fish, farms, housing, rent relief.”

“And then,” Hailsham, the Lord Chancellor, said warily.

“And the Royal Establishment Bill,” Eden said with a sigh. “Broadly,” he said this to the more peripheral members of his Cabinet, the less important ministers who were not assiduously briefed on every turn or change. “Part One…”

“…perhaps, Prime Minister?”

“Yes, Attorney, thank you.”

“Part One,” Somervell said, sounding (probably unintentionally) like Eden, “will be the foundation part. Essentially it sets up the running of the monarchy. It repeals a great many older statutes, looks at the rules on accession or succession, royal marriages, has the new regency provisions, as well as the new abdication section. It also states the circumstances in which members of the Royal Family may sit in the Lords.”

“All that history,” Zetland muttered, “swept aside.”

“Part Two,” Somervell said, ignoring Zetland, “Establishment of the Royal Household, key roles, lists fully the Royal Estate, defines entitlement under the Civil List, sets out the requirements for military patronage and so on.”

“Part Three, the rights and duties of the Crown. It codifies, for the first time, the principle that the Prime Minister is appointed based upon his ability to command a majority in the House of Commons.”

“What,” Strathcona asked, “about the calling of elections.”

“We have not,” Somervell said in a prim way, “elected to remove this right under the Prime Minister’s residual prerogative powers.”

“Fixing terms and all that seems rather far-fetched,” Stanley said. “Can’t think of a Cabinet wanting that in. But we needed, in light of recent events…”

…“to protect the PM,” Margesson finished, snappily.

“What about prorogation?” That was Zetland, who had watched in horror from the Lords as Lloyd George had effectively closed down Parliament.

“Not in this Bill,” Somervell said, still primly, “this is not a Parliamentary Bill but a Royal one. We will focus, when we write the Bill…”

“…rightly,” Margesson said supportively.

“We will include Parliament only where it creates direct duties for the Crown. Prorogation is close, I yield, but I contend it is still the PM’s power.”

“Alright,” Eden looked over to Roger Keyes, the Minister without Portfolio, who had been given the task of ‘breathing fire’ into Eden’s legislative programme. “Roger, what do you think?”

Roger Keyes was a fiery Admiral without much of the gentilities of the others. “We need,” he said confidently, “to mention the Dominions.”

“But,” Halifax, still stung by the suggestion that the Cabinet lacked a plan for India (it didn’t), snapped, “we’re not legislating for the Dominions.”

“His Majesty could signal that he intends to tour his Dominions,” Inskip said rather huffily.

“Good idea,” Eden said quickly.

“And perhaps we could add the Scottish rural housing measures,” Keyes said, reading from his list. Walter Elliot, the rather quiet Scottish Secretary, nodded approval. “As well as the young persons’ health thing.”

“Meals,” Robert Hudson, the Minister for Health, corrected. “All those in instruction get meals.”

“Labour can’t pull that one apart,” Margesson added.

“Er, that’s it, Prime Minister,” Keyes said as he reorganised his folder.

“Good. If we’re happy, ah, content with the contents of the King’s Speech, we have time to move on. Other business, Foreign Secretary, I believe that you had a point.”

“Yes,” Kingsley Wood said with a sense of urgency. “Ribbentrop visited me yesterday to make a formal demand from the German Reich to His Majesty’s Government for the return of Germany’s colonies.”

If the Cabinet had been reasonably cordial so far, the atmosphere now changed to one of angry incredulity. About five of the Cabinet members tried to talk at the same time. “Gentlemen,” Eden said calmly, “one at a time. Roger, I believe that you managed to make the first noise.” There was a friendly tone to Eden, one of gentle banter.

“Is Ribbentwerp kidding?”

“No, Roger, I believe that he is, ah, in deadly earnest.” Eden looked to the beleaguered Kingsley Wood. “There was chatter about this when I was Foreign Secretary, and I understand that Howard’s predecessor, Sam Hoare…”

“…Slippery Sam strikes again,” Stanley, who loathed Sir Samuel Hoare, quipped. Eden was astonished to see Halifax and Margesson nodding.

“Ah, yes, Hoare, appears to have held out hope, along with Channon at the Admiralty, that we might revisit the colonial elements of Versailles.”

Halifax looked concerned. “Foweign Secwetawy,” he murdered the word, “can we simply weturn the former German possessions?”

“Well, I’m not altogether certain that we can,” Kingsley Wood answered, sounding confused.

"The League,” Somervell understood, talking in a grave, doom-laden way. “As they are not merely British…”

“…or Froggie.”

“Yes thank you Chancellor,” Somervell conceded flatly, “or French colonies, but are mandated territories for which we exercise control in partnership with the League of Nations, we would need to confer with them.”

“Oh Christ,” Keyes mumbled.

“And Paris will hate this,” Lord Stanley, the First Lord of the Admiralty, muttered.

“Do we want this,” Womersley, confused, asked. “I mean, are we in favour of this?”

“Walter has a point,” Ormsby-Gore said seriously. “Is there any appetite for this in Britain?”

“It could,” Halifax offered, “pwesent a gesture, an incentive…”

“…a bargaining chip, My Lord,” Stanley asked semi-seriously.

“I wouldn’t phwase it like that, Chancellor, but yes. Could it be used to advantageously acquire something else.”

“Like what, though?”

"Well, Walter,” Halifax said with a slightly aloof air, “perhaps a tweaty.”

“Which,” Lord Stanley snapped, “could be broken the second they get their hands on the territories and the Kriegsmarine opens a new base on the Atlantic coast of Africa.”

“The Dominions,” Lord Stanhope, the Dominions Secretary, added, “would also need to be consulted.”

“The Australians, and South Africans,” Walter Elliot muttered, “have holdings of their own. I just cannot see South Africa handing over…”

“…you’re right there,” Womersley agreed.

“The Party is not united on this,” Dugdale, the Conservative Chief Whip, said simply. “There’s Neville, and his followers, and then the main body, and then, Winston and his rebels.”

“Who do not,” Halifax snapped, “have the whip.”

“Yes yes, but they are sort of Conservatives,” Keyes said jovially.

Eden could sense that this wasn’t going to progress. “The point is this. Edward is right, it could be a bargaining chip. But the attractions, ah, the benefits of anything that we gain would be outweighed by almost everything else. How could we square this, ah, gain the agreement to any plan, of the French, the Dominions, the League? Let alone the British press.”

“Pwime Minister,” Halifax persevered.

“I don’t disagree with your point, but I have limited political capital both here at home, with some challenges, ah, some large hurdles, to overcome. And abroad, we have six months of frankly rancid behaviour to overcome. Gentlemen, are we agreed, at least, on the principle? This is not something to which this Government will allocate any of its horsepower, ah, it’s attention?”

There was a pause. Both Stanleys, Keyes, Elliot, all of the military Secretaries of State, Womersley, Margesson and (after the most dramatic of pauses) Zetland all agreed. Halifax, Hailsham, Hudson, Inskip and Ormsby-Gore indicated that they disagreed. That left Kingsley Wood (seeming to abstain until he had a sense of Cabinet feeling), Wallace (the Colonial Secretary, who had been quiet today), Somervell, Ramsbotham, Lord Plymouth and Dugdale not indicating a view.

“The ayes have it,” Stanley quipped. “Well, nearly.”

“I think that until the Germans make a sensible proposal, ah, an indication of what they would want, and what they would, ah, offer in return, we can go no further forward.”

“I agwee,” Halifax said, quietly. “For now.”

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GAME NOTES

So, two bits here, the new Government prepares its King’s Speech, and the Germans make, as they did OTL, their demand for the return of British colonies. Both of these events reveal the character, as well as the strengths (and weaknesses) of the Eden Cabinet.

The King’s Speech is fairly important these days (heaven knows why – to me it’s an utter frivolity) with live coverage of the ceremony and falderal; we covered the ceremony itself in earlier chapter. Constitutionally it is important; it’s an early test of a new government as it tries to outline its agenda. I speculate that Eden would also hold a budget shortly afterward. The speech, for the unfamiliar, does not go into detail: typically the King/Queen will say something like “My Government will introduce legislation to provide meals for children in education,” or “we will introduce measures for the recognition of The Butterfly Composer to these forums,” etc. That’s why the big items, the Public Order stuff, the Establishment Bill, the CDC (I think Eden would strike a slightly more centrist tone than Chamberlain) were discussed, but in limited detail; their time will come in the budget/debates. Of these, the CDC is OTL’s NDC (and only slightly modified), the Public Order Stuff is a much more robust package than similar OTL legislation (in 1936), and the Establishment Bill is of course the TL’s reaction to the chaotic events of this AAR.

Then Ze Germans. Did the Germans demand the return of their former colonies? They did, with as much grace (i.e., none) as Ribbentrop could muster. It was an interesting cul-de-sac for the British in the late ‘30s, always coming up as a cheap and easy way of buying Berlin off, but never really coalescing into a workable policy (for the reasons outlined above). I remain convinced that Ribbentrop would do the same in this TL (perhaps worse, actually), and we don’t, really, know what DLG promised to Berlin during their brief attempt at playing at government; I doubt that Churchill would have entertained anything, but God knows what DLG and Hoare could have said privately.

I’ve then tried to reflect some of the varying opinions, using what I know of the characters to have them vote (or, at this stage, indicate a view) as I think they would. Stanley (both of them actually) is a no-brainer, I think that Margesson (playing a sort of Tebbit role in this Cabinet) would ultimately think it mad, Zetland is a surprise but there is an OTL Cabinet minute of him eventually ruling any plan unworkable, Keyes (who is rather unsuited to the role of legislative ‘fixer’, but supported Eden’s earlier TL bid to be leader so is valued by him) is an obvious critic of the plan while the abstainers are more or less behaving as I think we would. Would Halifax, at this stage, advocate consideration of a colonial restoration? You betcha he would, although this should not be construed (yet) as what OTL would call appeasement; Halifax wants to explore the issue, he’s not formally advocating handing Namibia back (the South Africans would laugh off any suggestion of this) just yet. I think that Inskip (who I really struggle to like, he’s just dull and plodding) and Hailsham would back him.

Eden’s position was actually quite nuanced, and he has here done what he did as Foreign Secretary; never really say no, but throw up so many obstacles that the thing was utterly unworkable (it was, btw) and couldn’t move beyond a notion to anything detailed. Although he was said to be warmer to Germany than Italy (true to a point, but he was hardly pro-Berlin) he still didn’t, really believe that the British would actually gain anything from such an agreement so did very little to champion it. It’s easy to suggest that this is a victory for the anti-appeasers, but domestically Eden has to be careful. As Dugdale points out above, the idea was popular in certain elements of the political world in 1937 and the Conservative Party, even after the election, is a rather fragile coalition of competing views.

The second worst building in London.

The worst being? Don't tell me, the Albert Hall. You're right, it's a carbuncle.
Mmm. Cash for honours bad or knighting nazis bad?

I may bring this out in a later update, but essentially a ton of both.

This being the now Lord Baldwin, former prime minister? He would be referred to as Lord. Or the Earl of etc. etc.

Absolutely, and this was my pet peeve with "Lord John Marbury" in the West Wing. I wanted to show a tired Eden saying something, well, slightly not right.

This HOI4 butting in again or did they actually float this? Impossible to tell given Austrian history...

Hold that thought, and see below...

All in all that seems a fairy solid foundation on which to build a constitutional relationship. Leastways no immediate disasters!

Which, let's face, is probably the most important thing Britain needs right now. No disasters, especially not in India .... oh ....

;)

You're right, after the chaos of 1936 two slightly nervy men doing their best is a good result for the UK.

India next update...

The obvious choice: Prince George is the pilot of the family and Marina is the sister-in-law of Prince-Regent Paul. I rather suspect Eden already was planning for them and just wanted to see if the new King was sharp enough to pick up the lead.

It is the obvious choice, and I think it shows the kind of dull logic of KGVI. Was Eden so astute? Possibly, although I think he would have taken any of the remaining brothers.

As for the update as a whole: it’s interesting. I get the sense that people want the government to go back to the way it was before and the monarchy to be knocked down a few pegs, and Eden is calmly trying to bumble into making his end of the equation happen while King George VI is pulling every trick that he can think of to stop it. OTL is significantly clouding my perception of both men, but my money is on the King.

vs the old establishment of the TOry party with a majority in parliament? Not going to happen. It would require a strong monarch and PM, who agreed with each other, to even try at this point. And given what just happened, collusion between the two offices is going to come off as filth.

No, no. The Crown is going down, just a bit.

Yeah you’re probably right.

So. Hopefully the detail in this update provided some guidance, but I think a 'tidying up' (which is how it'll be sold to the aristocracy) of the Crown is definitely going to happen; there will be battlegrounds (I think regency, and some of the more dramatic trimming of Royal powers, could be an interesting debate) but KGVI has been told that this was a condition of Eden's Government. Whether all of the Cabinet (*cough* Halifax *cough*) will actually go along with it is an interesting point. Most MPs will have to go along with it, it was in Chamberlain's manifesto and was at the core of the recent election.


My question too.

Mainly answered in the notes. It seems this was a contemporaneous narrative reference rather than from the game. Though one can always ‘hope’ such madness may still arise in-game ;)

And so it was. Here goes...

https://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blo...chnigg-supports-habsburg-restoration.html?m=1

I concede that this is hardly an accredited source, but it's an interesting weird moment, a rare example of the real world being crazier than those [SWEAR WORD] focus trees.

FWIW I'm not quite sure that the Austrians were all that serious about a restoration, but it is interesting to speculate on what if...
Never, my friend! :)

You're a dear sweet man, and a fine example of Dominion support to our imperial motherland.

The Ottomans were the sickest man of Europe, Austria-Hungary was only one rung up the ladder. Spain, of course, was one rung up from that - so they are now the sickest man of Europe, I suppose.

And Britain under DLG, while not the sickest man, was the international equivalent of a drunk uncle at a wedding, careering around for reasons best left unknown.

So long as he doesn’t arrange an amphibious landing on the sixth circle of Hades - using Dominion troops - then ok. ;)

And then resigning to lead his own Scottish battalion in the fifth circle.
I found that all quite reassuring, as has been said the foundations of a solid relationship have been laid and I think there is a reasonable path out of this that Parliament and the King will find acceptable.

Key I think is the fact that the George VI probably doesn't actually want some of the theoretical powers the monarchy has, if the form is maintained but stripped of substance then both sides can be happy. A return to the pre-abdication status quo but with it made a bit clearer which bits are actually a formality is where I see things landing, all the various special bits to deal with Eddie, future regencies and other such matters being where the real fight will be.

I'm not sure that he'll be completely pliant, I suspect something will attract regal ire and cause a fight (and I agree that regencies will be of concern to the Royal Family) but, as you have said, KGVI wasn't a particularly interventionist monarch (even less than his father). He also knows that he owes anything that he retains to Chamberlain/Eden/Attlee.

It is probably a damning indictment of my interests, but I am looking forward to this bit.

Two updates' time for the preface, with a later update looking at the decisions.

I would love to read this spin-off. Monckton in Spain where, through a series of shenanigans, the conflict has ended up as a contrived court case.

Who would be his sidekick? DLG, on a donkey?

As the two loudest (and therefore, most important) readers, Pip and I will of course be demanding our full ten chapters each on the reform of the civil service, and the crown establishment acts.

Definitely one more on the Establishment Bill, half an update on civil service appointments (i.e. "let's reform!") and one more with some outcomes. So far, but I've only sketched out to the July Summer Recess.

But on the other hand, given that the full awfulness of the crisis was averted with only some unseemly vomiting and mistress-wagging, is any reform really necessary? After all, here in the States we kill a hundred people a day with handguns, but no-one goes so far as to change anything.

(My favorite light-bulb joke, told about Mobile, Alabama: How many Mobilians does it take to change a light-bulb? Change? Why ever would we do that?)

And, having gone for an extended flop in the pig-pen, how much appetite (urk) will there be for a public debate if the King, Queen and Queen Mother decide to, um, leak their thoughts to sympathetic newspapers and the like? George VI may or may not want the controversy, but his wife and mother do have iron in the spine and the legacy to be handed to the daughter(s) firmly fixed in their targeting reticule.

So yes, but...

Fleet Street has also been ravaged by the Abdication Crisis. Half the newspapers supported the King, who turned out to be a deceitful coward (never mind his PM) and the other half supported Chamberlain, who turned out to be a sort-of British Richard Nixon and employed crooks to bug absolutely everyone. I think that the British Press will be playing a very measured game, at least until Eden really unveils his plans.

Unlike your...interesting system, the party has a majority in parliament and an electoral mandate to change things up. That is, they have the power to change whatever they like about the Crown, and they have sort of promised they were going to do something.

Given the alternative is to do nothing and risk labour later on doing it instead...and really booting the Royal Prerogative out of the monarchs hands, no...the party will be changing things up. They want it, the cabinet wants it, the public wants it, and the monarchy NEEDS it if it wants to survive.

I agree with much of this. An initial version of this AAR had Attlee prevail after a couple of botched Tory attempts to deal with DLG, but the Parliamentary arithmetic just doesn't work. That said, if there was another crisis, or say, WW2, reform of the Monarchy would be high on a Labour PM's list of tasks. And, as we will see, I am not convinced that the relatively moderate Attlee will survive for much longer having lost two elections (although '35 was arguably not his fault).

@TheButterflyComposer - our 'interesting' system came about as a direct consequence of our experience with your 'interesting' system. ;)

I do think there will be some strong sentiment, especially from the Old Tories, to simply leave things as they are - but I do agree that, if you are going to reform, now is the time.

Indeed. Receiving American legal history, its fascinating watching a setup that was designed so that you couldn't get a parliamentary dictatorship (I.e. a party with a majority can change any law easily, which is the case in the UK), and have it warp into something that 'technically' isn't that but with the federal government having some absurdly broken powers anyway, on the grounds of 'national security'.

But yes, I certainly think with the parliament that they have right now, the government are going to have to change something about the Crown and their role, if only to make sure this can never happen again (most of parliament, regardless of party, will vote for that one).

PM office being a gift of the sovereign has to go.
Perouging parliament has to be legislated.
Maybe something automatic about what happens if the government really cannot control a majority or even hold a vote in Parliament. A requirement for parliament to sit, perhaps?
And probably some greater scrutiny over what the monarch is told/allowed to know outside of official parliamentary business.

The last one is the most likely to be dropped or not carried out in practice.

The American system certainly serves as a valuable warning to others if nothing else.

I'm really not sure about that. The King-Byng Affair shows the value of having someone above the PM, as a backstop if nothing else, and that was less than a decade ago in story terms.

The issue was DLG dodging a vote of no confidence, so the solution there is an automatic Vote of Confidence after the PM meets the monarch, with it being clear in legislation that they don't have any actual power until that vote has occurred. Keeps a lot of the ceremony, polite constitutional fiction and indeed the small but sometimes vital backstop role, but would prevent the previous unpleasantness.

Yes because that always goes well. Again, I refer you to the King-Byng Affair and the challenges of writing a set of rules that covers that, Eddies recent debacle and is likely to actually get passed by Parliament and the Lords.

So...

No matter how Eden and KGVI dance around, with Attlee and Sinclair/DLG and others begging for attention, there are some essential constitutional pillars that will need to be addressed, revoked, amended, endorsed or else completely ignored:

1. The life of the King/Queen - so, accession, coronation, regency, abdication/removal, line of succession, how much money he/she gets, where he/she lives, who among his family gets any of the loot. Any meddling here could be contentious.

2. His/Her actual title and function. Not just for the UK, but for the Dominions (let's not talk about Emperor of India, it's migraine inducing). What are the Crown's express powers? Do we include CinC of the Armed Forces? What about bishops and the CofE? This hasn't really been discussed, but could be hilarious.

3. The Crown's Parliamentary role. So who chooses the PM? How is that legitimised (i.e. confidence of the House, General Election etc)? How are powers shared/exercised by both the PM and the Monarch? While KGVI is probably more sensitive to 1 and 2 above than this, there is still, in the UK system, a need, as @El Pip says, for someone to act as the ultimate backstop/guarantor that the country won't become a banana republic. This is where QE2 has, in my view, been utterly removed (by her own/her advisors' volition, it would appear) during her reign and where earlier monarchs (notably KEVII and KGV) were more interventionist. This could be a challenge for Eden, his hand is a strong one but he could overplay this given the breadth of Tory opinion.


You are Lady Hale and I claim my £5.

That was an odd moment; I think that the Government (the PM and the odious Rees-Mogg) acted contemptibly, I rather wish that QE2 had at least queried WTF was going on (I accept that this is a minority view, and perhaps she did privately) and the Supreme Court decided to use this as a launchpad to become more like other countries' highest courts (*does not say the US, does not say the US*).

That I suppose is a plus, the Law Lords would never dream of touching this with a barge pole (being bright enough to recognise a political question when they saw one) so we will at least be spared that.

Yes I think you're right. Eden is fortunate that Somervell and Hailsham are old survivors from Baldwin's Cabinet and are both decent lawyers and politicians. Another rare trait (*cough* Raab, *cough*).

And I'm back up to date here. It was a tad disappointing to find out that Edward's abdication was unavoidable in the game, but the drawn out timeline and all of the political strife that happened in the meantime are sure to have meaningfully changed things compared to OTL.

At least now we can get back to the business of preparing for the coming war... though inevitably, preparations will be worse than OTL due to the prolonged abdication crisis.

I loved the human side of the new king and the new prime minister trying to figure out how to interact and fulfil their respective roles within the delicate interaction between government and monarchy. A reminder of how fragile the chain of transmission of experience and custom can be especially at the very top.

Thank you my friend, and I'm sorry that I stopped the chaos when I did. I do think that I stretched credulity enough, and that KEVIII would have ultimately had to back down (Wallis Simpson was key, in both TLs, to that decision).

I'm however glad that the 'newness' and inexperience of KGVI and Eden came across. Both are decent enough men, just in new roles at a challenging time.

And yet, the more your system changes the more it seems to resemble ours. ;) That's not intended to be a snark - your system works for you and ours for us and I suspect that if we swapped we'd both be miserable.

You are right about that; however as I age I find that I dislike one element of the UK system, FPTP, heartily. It was fine, to a point, with a limited franchise, but I think that it is increasingly unrepresentative. The case for the Defence, that it preserves a constituency link is an odd one; some MPs are crucified for not being of their constituency (Labour seem to make this a totemic issue, leading to good local people who are hopeless at national governance) while others get away with never really bothering (a criticism that has long been labelled at the vile, cheese-obsessed lunatic we're going to get as PM next week).

As for the law, the UK system has been in flux since the early 90s. The 'ever closer union' of the EC/EU led to an explosion of law, some good, some horrific, that fundamentally altered our way of life. Linked, but separate (ignore the right wing elements of the UK press, they're morons) was the growth of 'human rights' law and focus leading to the UK Human Rights Act of 1998. This was, and is, a big deal. At the same the profession (well, solicitors and commercial barristers - the criminal barristers still cling to a dying world) became very, very, American. I think that much of this stems from the 'big bang' of the financial world in the 80s as with big money came big law firms, many of them global, and this cross-pollination led to a much more American way of working. Even @El Pip's old foe, the very English judicial review, has suffered from both of these trends.

The American system is indeed imperfect - that imperfection makes it tolerable to many, many people, of many cultures, spread over a vast territory, and the ability to change and adapt it has let it last thus far. We are in the process of finding out whether a determined minority can overthrow it... and everyone, whether they like the United States or not, had better hope the answer is 'No'.

Moving to a more formal, written and binding system seems a good idea to me. The issue with running a government on precedent is that there is always a precedent somewhere for anything you choose to do... Some far-sighted statesmen may, however, wish to leave some powers to the monarch. Monarch, parliament or whomever, unchecked power is eventually a bad thing.

Given my rant above, I will be calm and say that I am not sure what the UK will do. We have an oddly divided nation atm, probably more so than at any point since 1985. Much of society is liberal, would love proportional representation and a more interventionist state, while others think that the 1945 model is broken, we need a much more buccaneering style, and FPTP works perfectly thank you.

I'm not trying to pick on your mis-spelling (Heaven knows I do it myself all the time, and as long as meaning is conveyed, it is all good - where would the wlak be without it?) but I was taken on a flight of fancy somewhere between pirogue and pre-rouge... thank you for the smile I got from imagining Parliamentary members being smacked in the face by giant feather-dusters filled with red powder as an opening ceremony.

That's exactly what happens when you are called to Bar in England and Wales.

Not really. The table upon which my call papers were signed was from the Golden Hind, allegedly.

Anyone else wondering how the hell the UK supreme court is going to work long term? Do its members, who all seem to have come from law Lords, go back to the Lords afterwards? Etc etc.

Given the recent conduct and direction of the court, as well as the general sense that a system of politicised partisan judges is not really ideal in the British context (no matter how well it works for other nations ;) ), I'm hopeful it was just an aberration and normal service will be resumed whereby most of the general public would struggle to name a single supreme court judge, meaning they can return to the Lords and help strengthen the legislative-political mutual understanding that the Law Lords had and that the current system has occasionally lacked.

Honestly? I'm still not sure what we were trying to achieve with it, and I'm not sure that we'd recognise it even if it happened.

The Supreme Court seemed to me at the time, and still does, to be the wrong institution in the wrong country. Separation of powers is different in the UK to much of the rest of the world, their remit is much more limited than our American chums, and, well, it has been an eccentric little mess. Although I am a tortured centrist, I am utterly on the right of the political spectrum when it comes to the Supreme Court. It hasn't worked. My fear is that over time someone will tinker with the Judicial Appointments Committee, and somehow, somewhere, a bit of politicalising creeps in. That, for me, is game over - unless we go all the way and have an elected head of state?!
 
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a new range of offences to protect public order

Sorry, but I read that with an American interpretation of 'offense' and very nearly inhaled my Coca-Cola. Something like the Navaho clowns policing the public?

Two people divided by a common language? Sir, our language is anything but common.

We have an oddly divided nation atm, probably more so than at any point since 1985. Much of society is liberal, would love proportional representation and a more interventionist state, while others think that the 1945 model is broken, we need a much more buccaneering style, and FPTP works perfectly thank you.

I have a deep, abiding love for England and Britain, without - I hope - being blind to imperfections. I hope I have not come off as someone who denigrates your country (though I do, as we Southerners say, enjoy giving you just a bit of shade). The fractures over here are deep and desperate but we are still fighting... some civility and decency may yet return. I hope that you, too, are able to secure good government for your people.

On a long enough timeline, we must win.
 
Sorry, but I read that with an American interpretation of 'offense' and very nearly inhaled my Coca-Cola. Something like the Navaho clowns policing the public?

Two people divided by a common language? Sir, our language is anything but common.



I have a deep, abiding love for England and Britain, without - I hope - being blind to imperfections. I hope I have not come off as someone who denigrates your country (though I do, as we Southerners say, enjoy giving you just a bit of shade). The fractures over here are deep and desperate but we are still fighting... some civility and decency may yet return. I hope that you, too, are able to secure good government for your people.

On a long enough timeline, we must win.

Absolutely no offence taken Sir. I was pointing out the views of an very divided Britain, you were giving us some well merited banter!
 
One agenda item for today, if you please

Agendum.

“I disagree,” Margesson, the newly confirmed Home Secretary, who had hitherto rarely spoken at Cabinet, immediately interjected. “At worst it makes him look like our puppet master, at best we look like we’re pinching the undeveloped ideas of the Baldwin Government.”

Every so often, he likes to remind people who is boss.

“We haven’t finalised the details, but broadly, an offence prohibiting the wearing of political uniforms in public, another one banning all uniformed protests, a requirement to notify the local constabulary of any planned protest, a power for constabularies to search all protesters, a power to ban, limit in size or duration, or to alter…”

Hmm...an excuse to ban the blackshirts...and also probably...

Inskip, a seasoned lawyer, looked concerned. “Will the notification requirement have a time specified? So, for example, at least one day before the protest is scheduled. And do we define a protest? Is it five people with a flag, or five thousand?”

Some foolish way of trying to stop Union action. Oh this is going to end well, esepcially if the lawyers are already seeing problems with it.

but for a later Parliamentary debate.

And it's not going to be resolved until in practice. Wonderful.

“I suppose I’m next,” the Earl of Plymouth, the rather unwilling Minister of Labour, said without interest.

There's irony dripping from this. I'm sure he has a few choice words about the fundamental laziness of the british worker too, no doubt.

It repeals a great many older statutes, looks at the rules on accession or succession, royal marriages, has the new regency provisions, as well as the new abdication section. It also states the circumstances in which members of the Royal Family may sit in the Lords.”

Mmm. That ban on Catholicism and...more likely, the review on agnatic primogeniture?

“All that history,” Zetland muttered, “swept aside.”

Good.

“Part Two,” Somervell said, ignoring Zetland, “Establishment of the Royal Household, key roles, lists fully the Royal Estate, defines entitlement under the Civil List, sets out the requirements for military patronage and so on.”

The money. Why do I think this is going to be the main focus of Parliament?

“Part Three, the rights and duties of the Crown. It codifies, for the first time, the principle that the Prime Minister is appointed based upon his ability to command a majority in the House of Commons.”

Might we see presidential PMs 60 years before our time?

“Fixing terms and all that seems rather far-fetched,” Stanley said. “Can’t think of a Cabinet wanting that in. But we needed, in light of recent events…”

Cough. Yes...don't see that happening...and certainly not for long, anyway...

“What about prorogation?” That was Zetland, who had watched in horror from the Lords as Lloyd George had effectively closed down Parliament.

Technically within the gift of the PM...which has all sorts of other problems, esepcially with an absentee monarch.

“I think that until the Germans make a sensible proposal, ah, an indication of what they would want, and what they would, ah, offer in return, we can go no further forward.”

“I agwee,” Halifax said, quietly. “For now.”

Halifax...just stop.

“we will introduce measures for the recognition of The Butterfly Composer to these forums,”

6 years after I arrived is speedy for the establishment.

The worst being? Don't tell me, the Albert Hall. You're right, it's a carbuncle.

Eurgh...it commits the worst sin imaginable for a concert and opera Hall...being somewhat nice to look at but having such rotten acoustics that they've been trying to fix it since Victoria reigned.

I may bring this out in a later update, but essentially a ton of both.

Ooof.

And Britain under DLG, while not the sickest man, was the international equivalent of a drunk uncle at a wedding, careering around for reasons best left unknown.

Well, we're on the way to sick man now, all the more impressive considering the competition. Could very quickly plummet to on life support too, considering the prospects of the next year.

1. The life of the King/Queen - so, accession, coronation, regency, abdication/removal, line of succession, how much money he/she gets, where he/she lives, who among his family gets any of the loot. Any meddling here could be contentious.

Only because once you start looking at it, the more apparent it is that the whole system is rotten, corrupt and deeply unfair to all parties involved but esepcially the People.

2. His/Her actual title and function. Not just for the UK, but for the Dominions (let's not talk about Emperor of India, it's migraine inducing). What are the Crown's express powers? Do we include CinC of the Armed Forces? What about bishops and the CofE? This hasn't really been discussed, but could be hilarious.

I think the weakest link out of all of that is probably the Bishop seats in the Lords. No one really thinks they should have them, it's so pathetically medieval that I believe the only country (aside from ours) that still has that sort of thing is Iran.

While KGVI is probably more sensitive to 1 and 2 above than this, there is still, in the UK system, a need, as @El Pip says, for someone to act as the ultimate backstop/guarantor that the country won't become a banana republic. This is where QE2 has, in my view, been utterly removed (by her own/her advisors' volition, it would appear) during her reign and where earlier monarchs (notably KEVII and KGV) were more interventionist. This could be a challenge for Eden, his hand is a strong one but he could overplay this given the breadth of Tory opinion.

The problem is that the PM has most of the powers of a very powerful monarch, leading to the exact same scenario we saw before the civil war began to sort out these issues. If the cabinet is strong and they have the (nominal) support of a party majority, the PM is essentially dictator for term.

The sop that the monarch can step in and stop them is nonsense, and has been for 70 years now. I can't see them ever successfully being interventionist again, nor anyone else accepting them taking on that role. Like it or not, a strong executive and essentially all powerful head of government is the way things are and are going to be, untill we really change up the system.

As for the law, the UK system has been in flux since the early 90s. The 'ever closer union' of the EC/EU led to an explosion of law, some good, some horrific, that fundamentally altered our way of life. Linked, but separate (ignore the right wing elements of the UK press, they're morons) was the growth of 'human rights' law and focus leading to the UK Human Rights Act of 1998.

Regarding the HRA and the ECHR, it's more a recognition, begrudgingly perhaps, that the public and individuals really do need some protection from parliament. Otherwise, the british state has practically unlimited authority over all life in the UK.

At the same the profession (well, solicitors and commercial barristers - the criminal barristers still cling to a dying world) became very, very, American. I think that much of this stems from the 'big bang' of the financial world in the 80s as with big money came big law firms, many of them global, and this cross-pollination led to a much more American way of working.

Plus, an adversarial system whilst great and good is expensive, and no one has invested in the justice system since the 80s. Given the choice between a compeltly absent government and apathetic public, and private money and investment, the only sensible choice was made.

Given my rant above, I will be calm and say that I am not sure what the UK will do. We have an oddly divided nation atm, probably more so than at any point since 1985. Much of society is liberal, would love proportional representation and a more interventionist state, while others think that the 1945 model is broken, we need a much more buccaneering style, and FPTP works perfectly thank you.

Who are these latter people, really? Do they actually exist and back the current trend as compeltly as the trend itself suggests they do? If so, its profoundly worrying, since it seems to fly in the face of both facts and logic, esepcially with so many comparators examples of what other European countries have done and managed themsevles post 45.

That's exactly what happens when you are called to Bar in England and Wales.

Albeit far slower than that.

The Supreme Court seemed to me at the time, and still does, to be the wrong institution in the wrong country. Separation of powers is different in the UK to much of the rest of the world, their remit is much more limited than our American chums, and, well, it has been an eccentric little mess. Although I am a tortured centrist, I am utterly on the right of the political spectrum when it comes to the Supreme Court. It hasn't worked. My fear is that over time someone will tinker with the Judicial Appointments Committee, and somehow, somewhere, a bit of politicalising creeps in. That, for me, is game over - unless we go all the way and have an elected head of state?!

Currently we don't have an elected head of state or head of government, and yet between the two effectively merged powers towards the latter, we have a profoundly unaccountable executive fully capable of doing whatever it wants for its own ends. Its a profoundly terrible system that no one would think to create today, but kept going through inertia.
 
“My Government will introduce legislation to provide meals for children in education,” or “we will introduce measures for the recognition of The Butterfly Composer to these forums,” etc.
Hear, hear! :D
the CDC is OTL’s NDC
The ARC (Abbreviation Review Committee) may have to review this. :p
Did the Germans demand the return of their former colonies? They did, with as much grace (i.e., none) as Ribbentrop could muster.
Is there an in-game option in HOI4 for the Germans to demand this?
FWIW I'm not quite sure that the Austrians were all that serious about a restoration, but it is interesting to speculate on what if...
That’s what these games and AARs are for, after all.
a fine example of Dominion support to our imperial motherland.
Doffs hat, resplendent with corks on strings, but remembers at last minute not to tug forelock. We don’t do that any more. ;)
And then resigning to lead his own Scottish battalion in the fifth circle.
Charge of the Light Brigade style.
as I age I find that I dislike one element of the UK system, FPTP, heartily
I must admit I prefer our electorate based, preferential and compulsory voting system to either the UK or US systems for the Commons/Representatives, then in our (Federal) case state-based proportional representation for the Senate. For a bunch of practical reasons, not least forcing people to do their civic duty and more focus on persuading the electoral centre rather one’s own ‘base’ if you want to win government rather than keep enough seats to form a credible opposition (the compulsory bit).

Preferential voting is more stable than having the chamber that determines government fractured into a million ungovernable pieces with odious and complicated coalition shenanigans, though you can still get a hung parliament (no sniggering in the cheap seats). And it stops the one who gets 34% but the 66% hate from squeaking in due to a split vote. A bit like countries that do presidential run-off votes. But independents and minor parties can still get up, and they get more chance of that in the Senate.

Throw in a High Court seen as genuinely independent as the highest constitutional court and a non-partisan Federal Electoral Commission to set federal electorate boundaries pretty fairly to eliminate gerrymandering and it works quite well. Clearly not a perfect system, none of them are, but it has its merits.
would love proportional representation
Hmmm, I’d be careful of that wish … valid of course, but potentially very unstable as a lower house. Get rid of the Lords entirely and make that proportional. :p
 
Seems like a decent enough legislative centre to a new government whose chief role, aim and requirement are basically not to create another constitutional disaster. Preparing for world mayhem is an important second - but only second - priority. But you can see the divided nature of the party in places here, amongst a hand-selected committee designed, above all, to work together. That majority is nice to have, but Eden seems quite aware it is not guaranteed depending on what it is asked to do.

Churchill as a loose cannon seems entirely apt, given all the damage an actual loose cannon could do on a ship, especially on a ship (of state) sailing in heavy seas.


I chuckled. Quite proper of course.
 
Is there an in-game option in HOI4 for the Germans to demand this?

Not so far as I am aware, as I am finally playing a British game. However, I am a very Grand Old Liberal British player, and thus have been busy kicking the shit out of foreign countries with no friends but lots of resources.

Managed to take on and puppet south amercia during the presidential elections. Not only have destroyed the Monroe doctrine (well on my way to puppetting all of central amercia too) but managed to get Alf Landon's Republicans in office, thereby ensuring the US will be doing absolutely nothing for the rest of the game.

Given I have puppetted the middle east, Africa and the amercias, I might just sit out the world war entirely and see who wins.

I must admit I prefer our electorate based, preferential and compulsory voting system

Mm, yes. I do like preferential voting. And alternative voting, which is much the same. And voting really should be compulsory in the same way anything deemed vital to the nation is. Means spoiled ballots become a genuine political protest, and everyone under 30 has to vote for someone, garunteeing at least someone giving a shit about them.

Hmmm, I’d be careful of that wish … valid of course, but potentially very unstable as a lower house. Get rid of the Lords entirely and make that proportional. :p

It's a very democratic method, so would seem to be a good idea in theory, however in practice it needs quite a bit of limitations imposed or you get all kinds of crazy things happening. Personally, given how the Lords are not particularly powerful and supposed to be an oversight committee, maybe they could be proportional. Chuck the 96 hereditary, religious and other bunk seats too, this isn't the high medieval era.
 
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Good evening, all.

I had intended an update tonight, on the DLI and their adventures in India. I will delay posting until tomorrow; posting on a Royal themed AAR feels inappropriate today.

God Save The King
 
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Understandable.
 
A very appropriate sentiment. A significant event, especially for Great Britain, in such a turbulent time for the whole world.
 
Because of my intervention of Thursday I will reply to comments in two phases. Phase 1 below:

Every so often, he likes to remind people who is boss.

I think as Eden's Home Secretary, a lonnnnnnng time before his OTL departmental role (War Secretary deep into WW2), he would be a formidable player, one of three people (the others being Stanley and Roger Keyes) to whom Eden owes his position. I think that in a Conservative Party so shorn of senior members, he would be a strongman.

Hmm...an excuse to ban the blackshirts...and also probably...

Some foolish way of trying to stop Union action. Oh this is going to end well, esepcially if the lawyers are already seeing problems with it.

This. It's both the OTL Act to stop Mosley's silliness, and a wider (and rather wry) attempt to get some stronger powers to deal with the Unions. You're right, my sense is that this will end badly. But I think that this measure, probably the most right wing part of the legislative package, would be attempted.

And it's not going to be resolved until in practice. Wonderful.

No, merely that the Speech from the Throne rarely gets specific. The civil service has a bit of time, admittedly not much, to prepare this while the Establishment Bill, the epic, is dealt with.

The money. Why do I think this is going to be the main focus of Parliament?

Yeah, you're probably right.

Eurgh...it commits the worst sin imaginable for a concert and opera Hall...being somewhat nice to look at but having such rotten acoustics that they've been trying to fix it since Victoria reigned.

Agree - it's a carbuncle.

Is there an in-game option in HOI4 for the Germans to demand this?

No, even though this was a key (if utterly ineffectual) element of Appeasement in the 30s.

Doffs hat, resplendent with corks on strings, but remembers at last minute not to tug forelock. We don’t do that any more. ;)

You're a wonderful people, down there in the Antipodes. :)

Seems like a decent enough legislative centre to a new government whose chief role, aim and requirement are basically not to create another constitutional disaster. Preparing for world mayhem is an important second - but only second - priority. But you can see the divided nature of the party in places here, amongst a hand-selected committee designed, above all, to work together. That majority is nice to have, but Eden seems quite aware it is not guaranteed depending on what it is asked to do.

So a valid point - Eden's latitude is rather tightly bound here, he has to keep to a rather narrow centre to risk alienating the Chamberlainites, the Diehards, and his own rather flexible band.

Not so far as I am aware, as I am finally playing a British game. However, I am a very Grand Old Liberal British player, and thus have been busy kicking the shit out of foreign countries with no friends but lots of resources.

Well yes, HOI much prefers this to OTL events.
Managed to take on and puppet south amercia during the presidential elections. Not only have destroyed the Monroe doctrine (well on my way to puppetting all of central amercia too) but managed to get Alf Landon's Republicans in office, thereby ensuring the US will be doing absolutely nothing for the rest of the game.

Given I have puppetted the middle east, Africa and the amercias, I might just sit out the world war entirely and see who wins.

I have done something similar, with a WW3 erupting with the sort of weird alliances @Bullfilter has been covering in his AAR.
 
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Chapter 87, Near Hangu, India, 17 March 1937

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“Well, I dare say tha’s got a broken railway,” Colour Sergeant Major Holgate said, utterly deadpan. Much of B Company of the 1st Battalion, Durham Light Infantry was reduced to giggles at this observation.

“Thank you, CSM,” Belsay, now the Company Commander of B Company, said with sarcasm, “I’ll be sure to note that in my report.” Belsay sighed and waved to the waiting Royal Engineers that they could safely conduct a ‘damage assessment’. Not, Belsay thought sourly, that they would add much more to the CSM’s blunt analysis.

Overhead a dull, constant motor sound droned on. “Valentias,” Belsay said, to no one in particular. “Carrying the Gurkhas up to the frontier, I would imagine.”

“Any air support for us?”

“No, CSM, the Waspitis are supporting the rest of the battalion in the city.”

CSM Holgate was, after further association, not nearly as horrifying as the first impression that he conveyed. The son of a welder (or steelman, Belsay couldn’t quite remember), he had fled Yorkshire (for, the battalion rumour insisted, the murkiest of reasons) for Sunderland, where he had ended up, very briefly and very unhappily, doing something vaguely to do with the glass trade. The Kaiser clearly had other ideas, and he had been shipped off to France in 1914 with the 2nd Battalion. Two decades of near-constant operational service had taken its toll; he was a rather squat man of remarkable ugliness, with a permanently tanned, scarred and pitted face, a missing finger on his left hand (‘can still fire a rifle’ was his terse reply to this) and a sizeable chunk missing from his right ear. He was, in short, as tough a man as Belsay had ever met, and he felt fortunate to have him as his senior NCO. After critically appraising the Engineers on their working pace, Holgate walked over to Belsay, offering a parade ground salute that managed to nevertheless be as grudging and minimalist as everything else in the DLI; they prided themselves on being an ‘unshowy’ battalion. Lieutenant Glaze, who had taken a much wider route than the west of B Company (just in case the saboteurs were nearby) now marched up wearily with his mean. The weakest of Belsay’s subalterns, he still had enough of Sandhurst in him to straighten up at the arrival of the CSM.

“Good morning, Comp’ny Sarn’t Major, a fine morning,” Glaze said brightly in a mildly Black Country accent. Holgate wordlessly looked to Belsay with a grimace. Belsay shrugged in response. Glaze was a graduate officer who had fallen out of some of economics degree and, lacking any prospects, had been swept up by the retired DLI Major who worked as a bursar at the university and who always kept an eye out for likely recruits. The problem, Belsay reckoned, was that he was a Birmingham city-dweller in an Officer’s Mess of Durham and Northumbrian yeoman farmers. He was bright enough, and would probably be an asset to the Artillery or the Service Corps, where regional identity mattered less, but he hadn’t quite grasped the ethos of the DLI yet. Belsay realised that Glaze’s progress would be something of a project for him going forward.

“I have decided,” Captain Valentine Havelock Lumsden huffed as he waddled up to Belsay, “that India is just too hot. If it was cooler then we’d have far less rebellion on our hands.” He was energetically and quite fastidiously mopping his brow with a gaudy handkerchief.

“Shall we pass that on to Mr Gandhi, then?” That was Holgate, whose adoration of the Company 2IC Belsay found baffling.

“Gandhi, is he one of the new subalterns? I came up, Major,” Lumsden said with a smile, “in case the there was anything else that we could achieve here. Are we marching to the sound of the cannon? Fixed bayonets, colours flying?”

Belsay laughed. “All in good time.” He laughed again, it was impossible not to with Lumsden, he was the most ridiculous soldier that Belsay had ever met. In eighteen years of soldiering he had done everything possible to avoid what to him was boring regimental duty in the UK. He had been seconded to a training depot in Kenya, he had led a mapping team in Mesopotamia, he had been ‘loaned’ to London District to bolster the Guards’ Polo team. And when he wasn’t doing that, he had an idyllic little estate near Raby Castle to tend to, taking as much (and probably more) leave as the Army was willing to give him. But for all that he was a frankly ludicrous figure he was never a pompous one, he would do anything to support Belsay and the men, and seemed to have an endless supply of anecdotes and wit to raise morale in trying or boring times. The Company adored him and it helped make B Company a very happy one.

“Mr Glaze,” Lumsden began, seeing the Lieutenant’s discomfiture in the presence of the CSM, “did I ever tell you about the Turkish General that CSM Holgate punched when he was a Private and I, like you, was a one pip wonder?” A ‘one pip wonder’ was a Second Lieutenant, who wore one pip on his shoulder and was the lowest of the Army’s commissioned ranks.

Glaze smiled, pleased with the attention. “No, Sir, you didn’t.”

“I’d just joined from Sandhurst, just too late for the War, and we were shipped off to Turkey to enforce the Armistice. Marvellous time, it was, the War was over and we were going to Ottoman climbs rather than some godforsaken Russian wilderness. Private Holgate here, just busted down from Corporal, you understand…”

“…were you?” That was Belsay, who hadn’t heard this story before.

“I was Sir,” Holgate growled. “Had a ‘set to’ with an idiot Chief Petty Officer at Boulogne,” he swore as he gave his colourful view on the Navy in general and that Chief Petty Officer in particular.

“Anyway,” Lumsden resumed, “we were supposed to be getting the old Ottoman Army to demobilise and we have to report to this villa near Izmir. Some local militia lord or something getting big for his boots. So I take my platoon and report to him, he refuses to ‘entreat with a mere Lieutenant’,” here Lumsden grandly did a comically atrocious imitation of a Turkish accent, “and so the CSM here strolls up, shouts ‘entreat with this then, that’s an officer in the best regiment of the British Army,’ and knocks the poor fellow straight on his arse. Half of his force were watching.”

“It did the job, Sir,” Holgate said in a tone that conveyed that he had done everyone a favour.

“It did that, he was terrified of us after that. Disarmed his men pronto pronto. So you see, Lieutenant, always trust the men, they’ll see you alright.”

“I wish,” Belsay said grumpily, “that the Engineers would be pronto pronto. We’re melting in this heat. CSM, get the QM,” ‘QM’ was the Company Quartermaster, “to do a water check and replen’. There’s a well a few hundred yards back in yonder village.”

Holgate tasked one of the orderlies with improving the water situation. With a soldier’s ‘sixth sense’ he spun on his heels. “Mr Houghton and his platoon, Sir,” he said with a gesture to twenty or so tired looking men trudging back to the Company.

Lt Herbert ‘HH’ Houghton was far and away the best of B Company’s Lieutenants. The staunchly middle-class son of a doctor from Seaham, he was a rather slight, sandy-haired young man whose grandfather had commanded a detachment of the regiment in the Boer War and who had, Belsay reflected, probably made sure that the tin soldiers on young HH’s bedroom rug were DLI and nothing else. Sandhurst, for Houghton, had been a means to get back to where he always wanted to be, wearing the cap badge of his local regiment and serving with these men from his county.

“Major,” HH greeted Belsay. “We’ve gone down the railway as ordered. You’re not going to like it.”

“More sabotage?”

“Sir. There is a set of points about eight hundred yards that way. It looks as though someone has been at it.” HH wordlessly handed Belsay a sketch. “Corporal Handy, Sir.”

Belsay looked at the sketch. It brilliantly captured what HH’s platoon had found. “Handy? He certainly is, Mr Houghton, make sure he is rewarded.”

“Sir,” HH said with a grin.

CSM Holgate looked briefly at the drawing and agreed, reluctantly, that Cpl Handy did a decent sketch. “Shall I tell the RE lads?”

“Please, Sarn’t Major, hurry them up with this, we haven’t the tools to build a bridge so let’s look at the points and someone can come back with them later. Can we find Lieutenant Grove?” He said this to no one in particular, but a couple of men from the Company HQ ran back towards the railway cutting where most of B Company were sheltering from the sun.

After a couple of minutes Holgate had succeeded with the Royal Engineers and Lieutenant Lawrie Grove, Belsay’s third subaltern, came up with his platoon. If Belsay was worried about Glaze and was very pleased with HH, Grove was somewhere in between. He was a very ‘well to do’ officer, who had been angling, at Sandhurst, for a commission in the Green Howards or the Rifle Brigade but who had been given his third choice of the DLI having made no effort, before Sandhurst, of getting to know the regiment. He was capable enough, if occasionally indolent, but Belsay worried about his motivation.

“Mr Grove, get your platoon back in their trucks and head over to this position,” he handed a map that HH had helpfully marked up, “for the Royal Engineers to make an assessment. I doubt that you’ll get any hostility, other than the village there’s no one for miles around, but always have a section stood to.”

“What,” Grove said, scribbling the orders into a notebook, “should I do with the RE men?”

“Keep the pressure on them to get on with it. Here,” he handed Handy’s sketch, “they can have this for their report.”

Grove nodded and organised his men. “Shall I go with them,” Holgate offered, “Sergeant Storey isn’t the best…”

“..it’s a straightforward mission, CSM, they’ll be fine.”

“Shall I get the rest of the lads in the trucks?”

“Yes,” Belsay said, “but something doesn’t feel right.” He had a very ominous feeling.

Holgate was scornful. “You think that tha’s an army out there?”

“No, but this feels like a diversion. Why wreck a railway that’s rarely used? Have a prime rifle company and a section of sappers out in the middle of nowhere?”

“Well I dare say tha’s bait.”

“And I would agree, but no one has attacked us and I’ve given them every opportunity. Every platoon has been out on its own at some point this morning and no one has come near us.”

“Which is why tha thinks a diversion.”

“Yup. Let’s get back to the city. I’ve a feeling that Major Morris will need us. Make sure that Grove knows where we’re going. Actually,” Belsay thought hard for a second, “stick Captain Lumsden in with Grove. Tell Grove that he is charge of the recce at the points, but Comp’ny 2IC is there in case of trouble when we get to the town.”

“And we’re all off to Fatty Morris?” ‘Fatty’ was Major Morris, temporarily commanding the DLI.

“Yes, we’re off to Major Morris,” Belsay corrected.

Holgate nodded, agreeing with Belsay’s reasoning. Despite everything there was a quiet satisfaction forming in Belsay’s mind about his new company. B company and the battalion had been whisked out of England and all sorts of drafts and transfers had been required to get it to strength. But despite that, they were a good unit. Of the officers, Houghton and Lumsden were Durham men to the core, Belsay was a Northumbrian so tolerated, Glaze was, well, palpably not so was not, and the DLI had been the rather pukka Grove’s third choice at Sandhurst which was known by the Company, who were known to gently mock the officer’s first and second choice of regiment. But it was gentle banter, and they had coped brilliantly, so far, with India.

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By the time Belsay and his Company (Lumsden and Grove having caught up with them on the main road) had reached the town they found the rest of the battalion gingerly helping the local police clear up. Everywhere there were torn clothes, banners and flags abandoned, and the signs of civic pride, benches, street signs, askew or destroyed.

“It looks like something from the War,” Belsay said as he reported to the DLI’s acting CO, Major Roy Morris, known to all the rank and file as ‘Fatty Morris’. “What happened?”

“An INC demonstration made some remarks about a united India, one country for all,” Morris, who was indeed very overweight, said as he mopped a very moist brow. “Some of the locals here didn’t like that so started a fight. The battalion…”

“…minus my lads,” Belsay said bitterly.

“Minus your men,” Morris said in his very proper voice, “was caught in between.”

“Did we lose anyone?”

“Private Burnell was struck by a flying glass bottle. It’s quite bad,” Morris said softly. He was a pleasant enough man, a Vicar’s son from Buckingham who had served in the DLI, almost always on regimental duty, in an adequate if unspectacular way for nearly twenty years. With the CO falling ill at Aden the DLI had hurried on to India without him. The last they had heard on the CO, a Lieutenant Colonel, was that he had a bad fever and would require a lengthy period of recuperation. Morris, clearly desperate for promotion but too affable (or weak, Belsay wondered) to demand it from Brigade, had said little on the matter and Belsay, with all of the company commanders, had declined to press him on it.

“Did we pacify them?”

“We did,” Morris said calmly. “We formed two ranks and separated them, before sending a platoon around their flank. The Police followed us in and it was over pretty quickly,” he said flatly.

“The Congress lot?”

“Thankfully some of the content of their speech was inflammatory. That gave everyone the excuse to lock up the ringleaders. Apparently they’ve had to cancel next week’s address in Kohat.”

Belsay nodded and handed Morris some crumpled sheets of paper. “My report on the railway saga.”

Morris took it without reading it. “Thank you, Hugh. Your summary?”

“It wasn’t a professional job.”

“Raiders, down from Waziristan?”

“That was my first thought,” Belsay agreed. “The attack on the points was done by brute force rather than technical knowledge, and the Royal Engineers think that the attack on the bridge wasted huge amounts of explosive.”

“Well that’s something,” Morris said. “The Waziristan sabotagey stuff is getting less frequent.”

“That’s true,” Belsay agreed, signalling to Holgate that B Company should pitch in with the rest of the battalion. “But what if it came from round here? I think today’s attack was done to weaken you here.”

Morris thought on that. “Or the two are completely unconnected. For all that you and I know, the Faqir of Ipi could be behind your railway attack. Or, it could have been done to get at the Congress chaps, rather than us. Make them look, well, not in control. I doubt we’ll ever find out.” He looked at Belsay curiously. “From your experience in Palestine, will it get easier?”

Belsay paused to think before responding. “If we take the time to work out who the players are and where they’re getting their support from, then yes I think it can. It will mean more of this and more Private Burnells, but this what Dill used to bang on about. ‘What does our intelligence say,’ and ‘who have we got on the ground’. If we can do that then we can stop getting in the way of everyone here and start targeting our efforts. I just worry that General Tiny is too keen to get in scrap with everyone.”

Morris nodded, and waved at a local official. “O’Connor,” he said the name with respect, “wants us to stay here. Ironside is pumping the frontier with troops but O’Connor has suggested we stay here.” He waved again, at another official. “That’s us done, I think. The Lancers are due here any minute, and most of the rioters are in the slammer. Back for dinner?”

“Back for dinner,” Belsay said firmly.

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GAME NOTES

In game effect the Indian unrest continues. It was about this time in the game that a wave of repair work to Indian infrastructure came up in my construction queue so this update captures both that and the uncertain British response. I am, deliberately, being rather vague on the identity of the railways saboteurs, the British are still at the stage of the crisis where they arrive at incidents far too late to be of deterrent value, less still target the saboteurs before they can do damage. Because there are, really, two, perhaps three, things going on here.

By being stationed just back from the frontier the DLI are close to, but not right in the heart of, the region which saw a rather protracted and brutal insurgency in OTL’s 1936-1939, namely the Waziristan insurgency. My theory is that the Faqir has carried out more or less his OTL campaign, probably with greater zeal as the British, distracted by the chaos at home, look weak. I believe that Ironside, as we discussed a few updates ago, would put most of his troops into what we now call Pakistan first; this would be two divisions’ worth of prime British infantry, with, I suspect, the cavalry and armoured cars being spread more evenly throughout India (which is what I did, in the game, to simulate this). Indian troops that are assessed as reliable are already there, as we have seen. I am hinting, nothing more, of the use of the Valentia troop transport (a truly ugly plane, btw) and the use of the two-seater biplane Waspitis as proto-air support. Certainly the RAF honed tactical air support in this campaign, using improvised bombs (and tactics) to support the efforts of the ground troops.

And then there is Congress. This part of British India wasn’t as anti-Hindu/INC as one might imagine, and I think that Congress would at least try to campaign here. Essays and books have been written on this period of Indian history but I think that Congress, having stirred up anti-British sentiment using the chaos back in the UK (and in Delhi, where there is a weak Viceroy and virtually no self-government) is now as much as a hostage to regional unhappiness and ethnically driven violence as the British.

This is the third element; the regional hostilities and feuds that exploded in 1947 (and actually a bit before that). This is the real threat, as the Faqir can be treated as an almost conventional adversary, and the INC can be attacked politically as well as militarily. Can this other violence be quelled? As Belsay says, on a local level probably, just – if the British and Indian troops are left to build up their intelligence on what on Earth is taking place on a local level then their efforts can be less reactive, and thus less intrusive on the majority of Indians who are still probably broadly apathetic. But, this will take time (it took months in Palestine, which is tiny compared to the subcontinent!) and also takes place with the Indian Army (which London believes is suspect) being reworked into new formations (with greater Commonwealth – i.e. British involvement).

Of course the main point of this chapter is to risk your ire with more fictional characters, with a pretty standard infantry company in a decent, if unglamourous, county regiment. My infantry regiment of choice, as with KFM, is of course the Durham Light Infantry. I have a couple of distant family links to them (as I do to the RN and a couple of other regiments) but have always favoured the DLI’s unshowy, matter-of-factness. It was a visit to the (now, scandalously, closed) DLI museum in 2008 that prompted my AAR writing and I have stuck with them throughout. I have decided, quite deliberately, to make the vast majority of the DLI’s characters in this AAR fictional (making the real OTL Lieutenant Colonel CO ill was part of this, so that a fictional Morris / A N Other can take over) as many are still, just, alive, and in the absence of a museum the DLI has a pretty commendable legacy and presence online. I will use those OTL officers and men as inspiration, so many of their backgrounds and stories will be seen and worn by their fictional comrades. The officers and NCOs are drawn, more or less, with fictional names, from a real Company of the wartime DLI; I demoted the Grove character to make way for Lumsden (Lumsden is an amalgam of the very real Ewen Southby-Tailyour and Michael Trubshawe) and I also considered but demurred from making one of the Lieutenants an officer commissioned from the ranks (the DLI were decidedly average, in the interwar years, at this) but that would have felt as though I was making B Company too representative. This is the bunch of men through whom we’ll see India.

And now to Phase 2 of the comments.

I was going to put something about this week's events in London and Balmoral, but given the frankly awful tone of the thread in the OT area will simply say this: I am a very reluctant republican (reluctant as I ultimately conclude that it defies logic to have inherited power and significance in this day and age) but I happily acknowledge the dignity with which Her Majesty carried out her role. The sense of an era changing is palpable, today, with the Accession Council.

Understandable.

A very appropriate sentiment. A significant event, especially for Great Britain, in such a turbulent time for the whole world.

Thank you. I'm not a fawning monarchist, but it just felt wrong to post in this AAR particularly.

Come to think of it, she probably was the last living witness to how the OTL Abdication Crisis played out behind the scenes, wasn’t she?

I think you're right, I've struggled to think of anyone else but they're all long deceased.
 
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Not much in this chapter to go on, except you have full control in game which means you technically can't lose it except to a massive rebellion you somehow fail to contain.

Of course, Imperial Federation would give you cores on all the land...

I was going to put something about this week's events in London and Balmoral, but given the frankly awful tone of the thread in the OT area

A rambunctious lot. Currently educating them on why the word 'papist' should not be used in an English context, and definitely not used in regards to the contemporary Royal Family unless you want to start a fight.

I have many thoughts on the monarchy, and I suppose a mixture of respect for the old lady, as well as disgust for the many, many horrible and terrible laws she (technically/literally) signed into law.

Depending on the inevitable leaks and revelations on how much and how far she went on government policy year on year, and various other things she may or may not have done, the respect/disgust levels will no doubt rise or fall.
 
I do like this very local on the ground view of where things are right now in British India. And I think it does very ably demonstrate the information vaccuum the British are currently operating in, especially the recent imports.

As to other matters, well, I read through part of the OT thread and I choose to depart. Apparently I am growing wiser as I age.

It is very interesting to think we may well have just lost the last witness to those events back in 1936.
 
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The thought of reading an OT thread about recent events never crossed my mind and it appears my subconscious was wise about this.

The political update was interesting, another definite sign of normality returning. Not the same as things were before the DLG and Eddie Show, but recognisably similar and a government with the time and inclination to deal with the domestic agenda and such dull but important things as the Factories Act 1937 (the usual mildly terrifying list of things that were banned, presumably because they were happening before). And of course Germany reminding everyone that they will be causing trouble shortly.

It was always a bit baffling that the Germans demanded the colonies back in OTL, they had no real place in Nazi thinking and even Imperial Germany hadn't really done much with them. The big Hitler plan until late 1937ish was keep Britain on side so they would join (or at least allow) his rampage in the East against the Soviets, so making demands for the colonies was positively counter-productive. Then again it was Ribbentrop and being belligerently counter-productive was very much his thing.

And so to the second chapter. The DLI in India are in for a fun time, an interesting range of characters who will be grappling with the multi-sided, multi-faction mess.
 
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would probably be an asset to the Artillery or the Service Corps
Haha, damning with faint praise :p
CSM Holgate was, after further association, not nearly as horrifying as the first impression that he conveyed.
An apt observation. Half of them appear horrifying but aren’t that bad, the other half don’t appear so but are! :D
It was a visit to the (now, scandalously, closed) DLI museum in 2008 that prompted my AAR writing and I have stuck with them throughout.
A very interesting and (for me) rather touching way to approach it. More power to your arm (and pen).
the frankly awful tone of the thread in the OT area
Something of which I am, and will happily remain, blissfully ignorant. ;)
The thought of reading an OT thread about recent events never crossed my mind and it appears my subconscious was wise about this.
This.

PS: As an aside, and it may be different in the British Army, or in 1936, but as a subby I would never have dreamed of referring to my OC (or any superior officer really) in the first person by their rank. Just by his first name: “Sir“ :D

Referring to someone by their rank when talking directly to them was generally something you would only ever do to a more junior officer, but required of course in the second or third person. And without using their name, it could be a little bit more insulting. OC: “Lieutenant, you are a disgrace!” “Yes, sir! Major Martinet said the same a minute ago.” As opposed to “Lieutenant Fubb, take your men around the left flank and provide fire support for 2nd Platoon’s attack.” “Yes, Sir.”

But maybe we just did things a little differently, or formally. I did find the regimental banter very good and authentic sounding. :)

PPS: when I was a subby, we had an SSM once (Squadron Sergeant Major, it was Armoured Corps) who would refer to himself with the post-nominals of F.G.B. (F****n Good Bloke). He looked fine at first blush, but was horrifying (though more so for the soldiers).

PPPS: and a soldier (or cadet) calling a sergeant “Sir” was also of course a terrible transgression: “Don’t call me ‘sir’ you f****n idiot, I work for a living!”

PPPPS: the only thing more fear-inspiring for a new/green subby than a CSM is an RSM! No lieutenant would feel comfortable around one, captains (with perhaps the exception of the Adjutant) would feel a little uneasy but hide it well and only Majors or above would feel at all at ease, though would maintain due respect.
 
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Something of which I am, and will happily remain, blissfully ignorant. ;)

Some idealistic Republicans and Monarchists (mostly from elsewhere) met to have words and be surprised the other exist.

Speaking for myself, the country is...subdued, but also not...that...sad. Mind you, this winter of discontent brewing is probably going to be moreso now.

PS: As an aside, and it may be different in the British Army, or in 1936, but as a subby I would never have dreamed of referring to my OC (or any superior officer really) in the first person by their rank. Just by his first name: “Sir“ :D

When actually speaking to them? I'd say it's 99% 'sir' and names. Rank tends to come up when cracking the whip, or giving orders, so almost always senior officers talking to junior officers or the ranks. And yet curiously, when you're talking about it all later, every officer become 'the major', 'the lieutenant' etc when being referred to, provided they aren't in the group themsevles.

This is quite different in the navy, so I understand, probably because pretty much everyone is 'on' all the time when at sea, to some degree (you could always sink or be attacked). The captain is almost always the captain or captain, etc.
 
When actually speaking to them? I'd say it's 99% 'sir'
Quite right too.
and names
and names? Surely not to a superior officer. ;)
Rank tends to come up when cracking the whip, or giving orders, so almost always senior officers talking to junior officers or the ranks.
Yes. Though it can also be polite: “Yes, I actually do know your name, Lieutenant Bloggs - you wretched little oik.” ;) Just half kidding.
And yet curiously, when you're talking about it all later, every officer become 'the major', 'the lieutenant' etc when being referred to, provided they aren't in the group themsevles.
Yes, always, as a mark of respect. Especially when talking about someone of superior rank when someone else superior to you is in the group. But if it’s a bunch of people of the same rank grouching or happily reminiscing about a superior in private? More likely than not either an insulting nickname “old Mudguard” (a bald bloke, whose head was ‘shiny on top, but shit underneath’) or the ASP (A Smiling Penis); or alternatively something playful or gruffly affectionate: ‘Old xxxx’, etc.

often though it would be the appointment rather than the rank used in some of those circumstances (the CO, OC, 2IC, the Adj, etc).
This is quite different in the navy, so I understand, probably because pretty much everyone is 'on' all the time when at sea, to some degree (you could always sink or be attacked). The captain is almost always the captain or captain, etc.
Maybe, though when in the field (or training for it) I subscribed to the view that there was no such thing as ‘semi-tac’: thinking you could take it a bit too easy was a good way to grow complacent and get you and your men killed.

So, in a regiment or battalion, in third person it was almost always ‘the CO‘ or ‘the OC’, regardless of the incumbent’s rank, rather like the captain of the ship being the captain, whether a Lieutenant, Lieutenant Commander, Commander, or Captain by rank.

And when you were in barracks, things were probably more formal, if less immediately threatening. one wouldn’t wish familiarity to breed contempt, would one?
 
and names? Surely not to a superior officer.

Possibly. Depends who it is and ranks and where, of course.

Yes. Though it can also be polite: “Yes, I actually do know your name, Lieutenant Bloggs - you wretched little oik.” ;) Just half kidding.

It's a delicate balancing act in the british regs. It's even worse with the amercians because they're actively trying to make every group a brotherhood, and that suckered in the officers too.

Especially when talking about someone of superior rank when someone else superior to you is in the group.

For those not in the know, this is exceedingly common. The lowest 'natural' group you can gey are the second and first lieutenants of a company, plus the captain (second lowest includes their major, who is generally supposed to be a bit more aloof than that).

So every group tends to have at least two or three different ranking officers, unless you're on base and with several companies. Or in the Sargent mess, which is almost always the best mess.

But if it’s a bunch of people of the same rank grouching or happily reminiscing about a superior in private?

Rarer to happen. No, actually, common enough but not in regulars. Specialists though tend to be reduced in rank when they switch over (so you have dog handlers who used to be first lieutenants now at sargent). It turns out it's much, much more common with higher ranks talking about their current fresh face second lts, which was a little...mortifying to discover.

often though it would be the appointment rather than the rank used in some of those circumstances (the CO, OC, 2IC, the Adj, etc).

Depends how long everyone's been at a base, and how many equal rankers are there. There was a particular major who was always The Major, didn't matter where he was.

Maybe, though when in the field (or training for it) I subscribed to the view that there was no such thing as ‘semi-tac’: thinking you could take it a bit too easy was a good way to grow complacent and get you and your men killed.

Depends on deployment I'm led to believe. The mechanics in Newfoundland are chill compared to Kenya, and Kenya were chill compared to the middle east. And everyone was chill compared to Cyprus and Gibraltar.

And when you were in barracks, things were probably more formal, if less immediately threatening. one wouldn’t wish familiarity to breed contempt, would one?

Looking too cheerful is a health hazard, it turns out. Not so much if a Lt Col catches you but if a major does, heaven forbid YOUR major...

Mind you, the chaps in question in the chapter were a mixture of HQ AC and Spooks, and they're quit different from infantry.