About 769 bookmark and other stuff

[Tom The Viking YT]

Yep, my bad: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3384369226

Nice, thank you. I will try your mod in next couple of days, in case I will really like it, may I use it in my yt videos?

 

[Rubidium]

Anyone else feel like going on a treasure hunt for undiscovered historical documents from across Europe detailing land ownership in the 8th century so we can expand the historical record far enough to for a 769 start date? /j

It's honestly less an issue for Europe than it is for basically everywhere else on the map, although it's still an issue there. And even if we know landholdings, genealogical relationships are generally little more than guesswork (e.g., "X was ruling here at this date and Y was ruling there at that date, so we'll call them father and son" or "we know X was the son of Z, but we still think he must have been related to Y, so maybe his mother was Y's daughter?" or "Z and W have similar names, so they may have been related").

Even in 867, most of the rulers (even many of the top-level ones) outside of Western Europe and the Middle East are, if not completely made up, at the very best based on much later legends about heroic ancestors. E.g., the Norse sagas (which were written down literally centuries after the fact, and which generally don't actually match up with what few records we have for the time frame; even then, the devs have to choose between very different saga versions of folks like Bjorn Ironside), or what are essentially foundation myths (e.g., Daruma, a.k.a. "the Mother of Us All" is the legendary ancestress of the Hausa tribes), often without any clear indications of date beyond counting generations.

And of course, if you've used up all your legendary ancestors on 867, you now need to find new ones for 769. All for people who, again, may not have even existed.

And that's leaving aside the mechanical issues with the 769 start date.

 

[FondMemberofSociety]

It's honestly less an issue for Europe than it is for basically everywhere else on the map, although it's still an issue there. And even if we know landholdings, genealogical relationships are generally little more than guesswork (e.g., "X was ruling here at this date and Y was ruling there at that date, so we'll call them father and son" or "we know X was the son of Z, but we still think he must have been related to Y, so maybe his mother was Y's daughter?" or "Z and W have similar names, so they may have been related").

Even in 867, most of the rulers (even many of the top-level ones) outside of Western Europe and the Middle East are, if not completely made up, at the very best based on much later legends about heroic ancestors. E.g., the Norse sagas (which were written down literally centuries after the fact, and which generally don't actually match up with what few records we have for the time frame; even then, the devs have to choose between very different saga versions of folks like Bjorn Ironside), or what are essentially foundation myths (e.g., Daruma, a.k.a. "the Mother of Us All" is the legendary ancestress of the Hausa tribes), often without any clear indications of date beyond counting generations.

And of course, if you've used up all your legendary ancestors on 867, you now need to find new ones for 769. All for people who, again, may not have even existed.

And that's leaving aside the mechanical issues with the 769 start date.

In this regard at least, China, Korea and Japan provide less of a challenge.
But we also get (Eastern) Mongolia, Siberia and South East Asia, and all hell breaks loose.

 

[Ikatosh]

Nice, thank you. I will try your mod in next couple of days, in case I will really like it, may I use it in my yt videos?

yeah sure, no problem!