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I tested the minister file in single play ;;; It has no effect on our saved game, still the same pb. If/when Jon and I are both around we might try to test 1 vs 1 at max speed with a few saves and lods to see what happens.
ONLINE AGAIN
After three horrible weeks without internet the telecom-company finally made it to install a new dsl connection in my new appartment.
So im glad to report im online again
if u start a new game or need a stand in or something else contact me on icq.
After three horrible weeks without internet the telecom-company finally made it to install a new dsl connection in my new appartment.
So im glad to report im online again
if u start a new game or need a stand in or something else contact me on icq.
Re: ONLINE AGAIN
Anyway, the current plan is to start a new game on Monday evening and so you should be able to get in at the start of that.
Andrew
What's your ICQ number - it's not in the ICQ thread? Myself, I put my ICQ number in my sig - that's an easy way of making it readily available.
Anyway, the current plan is to start a new game on Monday evening and so you should be able to get in at the start of that.
Andrew
Don't you have Cicero in your icq list?
Edit - I would like to pass tonight. Since I'm USA it shouldn't be much of a problem to have me jump in for the 2nd session.
Edit - I would like to pass tonight. Since I'm USA it shouldn't be much of a problem to have me jump in for the 2nd session.
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Are we playing tonight Monday ?
I was planning on 18:00 CET Tonight.... How about the others ?
I was planning on 18:00 CET Tonight.... How about the others ?
I can play tonight, but would rather see that we postponed. I have planed to play tonight but would really appreciate if we could cancel todays game.
I was hoping to play tonight so it's a shame to see Jon and Viss crying off. Maybe the rest of us can start a 36 game and see how badly Ise and Tomar can break it as Germany and USSR? I can do my bit to break the scenario by playing UK and trying to buy up all the key resources on the world market ...
I'm going to be in ValkNet at 18:00 CEST and will take it from there ...
Andrew
I'm going to be in ValkNet at 18:00 CEST and will take it from there ...
Andrew
I'll see what I do - if I'm really effective now I can probably play a semi-passive nation like USA.
Hm, if this will be kind of a semi-test game, we could try without any house rules at all (apart from "host is not allowed to change the savegame file ). Would be interesting to see how that would work out ... . All dirty tricks would be allowed - you don't have to use them, but if you are desparate or a dodgy character you can use them. The only rule would be - if you use a "dirty" trick, you have to tell after the game that you did it and what you did.
). Would be interesting to see how that would work out ... . All dirty tricks would be allowed - you don't have to use them, but if you are desparate or a dodgy character you can use them. The only rule would be - if you use a "dirty" trick, you have to tell after the game that you did it and what you did.
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BTW - interesting, didn't know that:
http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=109644
http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=109644
Two of us tried a test game (while the rest had to wait) and it appeared that the Soviet minister bug was fixed in 39. So we played 39 for an hour or so. Then Tomar complained that he couldn't research some Late War doctrine. I have tried to reproduce the problem in single player 39 but it seems fine. Maybe it was just lag - I was often finding that the program was slow to register a research choice. Please can we get this tested again. And maybe we need to form a separate 39 group. I'm getting tired of the constant attempts to find some fault with the 39 scenario to force us to play 36.
This tech issue didn't seem like much of a problem to me but again this session was aborted and we started with 36 again. This was quite unhistorical as usual. Yugoslavia, Greece and Saudi Arabia were annexed without any reaction from the Allies. Italy couped Rumania and then attacked it. I couldn't coup it back for some reason (option was greyed out) but didn't demand that the game be stopped as everyone seems seems to want when things don't go perfectly. There was some huge battle between giant armies of expeditionary forces - 30+ divs each side. Very silly and, despite urging from USSR, I stayed well out of it.
Japan conquered Nat China as usual (because there's no human player) and has taken Tibet too. There was some fluff about a DoW on USSR - another big mess requiring a restart and replay of several weeks. What was the cause of that and why did we have to restart? You do realise that Japan actually fought a border war with USSR at about this time?
There's talking of resuming the game on Friday...
Andrew
This tech issue didn't seem like much of a problem to me but again this session was aborted and we started with 36 again. This was quite unhistorical as usual. Yugoslavia, Greece and Saudi Arabia were annexed without any reaction from the Allies. Italy couped Rumania and then attacked it. I couldn't coup it back for some reason (option was greyed out) but didn't demand that the game be stopped as everyone seems seems to want when things don't go perfectly. There was some huge battle between giant armies of expeditionary forces - 30+ divs each side. Very silly and, despite urging from USSR, I stayed well out of it.
Japan conquered Nat China as usual (because there's no human player) and has taken Tibet too. There was some fluff about a DoW on USSR - another big mess requiring a restart and replay of several weeks. What was the cause of that and why did we have to restart? You do realise that Japan actually fought a border war with USSR at about this time?
There's talking of resuming the game on Friday...
Andrew
I agree with you, Andrew. And this game will becom even more silly once the big war starts. There is no reason for Germany to stick to any historical events ... .
I wouldn't mind starting a new scenario '39 game on Friday. Or we can continue the old game for a 2 or 3 hours and then see what the '36 fans have to say.
I wouldn't mind starting a new scenario '39 game on Friday. Or we can continue the old game for a 2 or 3 hours and then see what the '36 fans have to say.
I don't mind starting a 39 game, but I do mind starting lots of games that goes on for 1 session only.
Are you saying the reason for aborting the 39 game was only a tech that wouldn't be researched?? That happened all the time to me too - just wait some time and it is OK. It also seemed like Tomar had some lag, I usually recieved 2-3 messages from him at once (and I did not experience any lag). Therefore it's reasonable to believe lag was the reason.
I assumed someone was saying somrthing I didn't hear and that there was another reason we aborted the game. I'm 95% certain the reason he could not research it was because of lag.
Next time we start a 39 game I also suggest only those who want to play 39 attends, or else they will use all sorts of reasons to restart a 36 game.
Are you saying the reason for aborting the 39 game was only a tech that wouldn't be researched?? That happened all the time to me too - just wait some time and it is OK. It also seemed like Tomar had some lag, I usually recieved 2-3 messages from him at once (and I did not experience any lag). Therefore it's reasonable to believe lag was the reason.
I assumed someone was saying somrthing I didn't hear and that there was another reason we aborted the game. I'm 95% certain the reason he could not research it was because of lag.
Next time we start a 39 game I also suggest only those who want to play 39 attends, or else they will use all sorts of reasons to restart a 36 game.
Yeah, I guess we should continue the old game on Friday. Should be decided on that evening anyway.
Here's the log. The other issue was Italy joining the Axis because it was at war with a member of the Allies - Yugoslavia. That seemed a reasonable outcome to me and not a reason to restart.
name = "0:00 September 1, 1939 : A convoy in the Freetown-Plymouth convoy at Mid-Atlantic Ridge lost 1 transports and 0 escorts."
name = "0:00 September 1, 1939 : Hungary entered a Military Alliance with Germany and Slovakia."
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : I have a funny bug"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : ?"
name = " Dag (Japan) : not again"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : One doctrine does NOT want to be reserarched no matter how hard I try"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : maybe exclusive?"
name = "juv95hrn (Italy) : and you have pre reqs?"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : I guess it could be an exclusive dctrine"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : obviously since its azvailabel to reserach"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : is it exclusive with another doctrine?"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : no"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : its gold"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : hm, what doctrine is it?"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : late war exp analysis ... pretty important"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : any other seems OK"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : hm, try again later"
name = "juv95hrn (Italy) : we can save and rehost"
name = " Dag (Japan) : well, was it ok the last time we played tomar?"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : yes"
name = " Dag (Japan) : hmmmm"
name = "Vissarion (USA) : wait 1 or 2 days"
name = "Vissarion (USA) : so tomar should we play as a team?"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : well I ma ready sort off"
name = "juv95hrn (Italy) : me too"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : soon"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : I am, always have been and always will be a team player"
name = "Vissarion (USA) : ok good. "
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : so send me rubbah, gold, wine , women, wepaons"
name = "Vissarion (USA) : i can send supplies, andrew can probably spare some rubber"
name = "Vissarion (USA) : "
name = "Andrew (United Kingdom) : Real trick was to send large condoms marked small"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : it appears that the soviet research program was headed by morons from 36 to 39"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : do u think the mad german might go for direct barberossa ?"
name = "Vissarion (USA) : dont know, but you cant be sure"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : it appears the the industrial program was headed by the same morons as the research"
name = "juv95hrn (Italy) : someones got latency"
name = "0:00 September 9, 1939 : Belgium have been barely influenced by France."
name = "11:00 September 9, 1939 : Italy declared war upon Yugoslavia."
name = "12:00 September 11, 1939 : Germany have made Poland their puppet state."
name = "11:00 September 13, 1939 : Yugoslavia entered a Military Alliance with United Kingdom, Iraq, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, France, "
name = "juv95hrn (Italy) : smart move germany"
name = "juv95hrn (Italy) : u forced me into the axis"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : ups, sorry"
name = "juv95hrn (Italy) : yeah"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : hm, reload, but we don't have a save?"
name = "juv95hrn (Italy) : exactly"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : Stalin protests against this blatant disrepsect for our pact"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : when is the last save?"
name = "juv95hrn (Italy) : 1 sept"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : well, taht was when teh game started"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : so restart the game?"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : what happened ?"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : I had no intention to force Italy into Axis by any means"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : I was just competing for Yugo"
name = "juv95hrn (Italy) : lets go"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : "
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : how did u manage that ?"
name = "juv95hrn (Italy) : thats even smarter"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : I dowed Yugo"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : and Italy was at war with it
" name = "0:00 September 16, 1939 : Luxemburg have been barely influenced by France."
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : wow ....."
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : btw I still cant get that damn doc"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : so maybe we have to estart anyway?"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : restarting wont solve that probleùm"
name = " Dag (Japan) : 1 rehost then, and then we do '36 instead?"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : yeah yeah yeah"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : maybe we shoul d
" name = " Dag (Japan) : k, lets do 36 instead, all agree?"
name = "22:00 September 18, 1939 : Hungary granted military control to Germany."
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : I agree fully"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : inconditionnally"
name = "Vissarion (USA) : whatever"
name = "Andrew (United Kingdom) : What's the problem go to do with 39 vs 36"
name = "juv95hrn (Italy) : eh"
name = "juv95hrn (Italy) : 30 min setup again?"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : well, 39 seems to be screwed"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) : it never happnes in 36"
name = " Dag (Japan) : prolly something, shit like this never happens in 36"
name = " Dag (Japan) : so '36 so we still have some hours to play then?"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : I have"
name = "18:00 September 20, 1939 : Our ships in Coast of Egypt have sunk 9 transports and 0 escorts."
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : also '39 is so much better"
name = " Dag (Japan) : no its not, but thats a personal opinion"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : well, so should we restart?"
name = " Dag (Japan) : viss chrashed"
name = " Dag (Japan) : save and then back to channel"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) : well, then it is a restart anyway I guess"
name = "Vissarion (USA) has left the game!"
name = "Isebrand (Germany) has left the game!"
name = "Tomar (Soviet Union) has left the game!"
name = " Dag (Japan) has left the game!"
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Andrew, sorry you feel this way... Some clarifications
-We stopped the 39 mostly because Germany unwittingly dragged Italy into war with allies due to diplomatic blunder in Yugo. Italy was not ready for this, so it would have led to disaster for the axis (we think)
- The bug with the soviet doctrine was not due to lag, all other research items could be researched except this one, I tried and tried for the whole duration of the short game (a month ?) but it never could be selected. Never the less we would have found a solution for this, but the above problem stopped the ongoing game.
Re "silliness" and historicity... Unfortunately 39 does not guarantee more historicity... the issues you mention (Japan taking over china and Italy going on a rampage) also happen in 39... The prior 39 game we played Italy dowed Turkey day 1.. Until the game mechanics impose a penalty on Italy and/or axis (10 percent dissent like SU, or hit on US WE/Soviet CG for Italy's dows?) we will keep on seeing aggressive Italys... Further a chinese player will not be able to stop the japanese either and Japan will almost always annex China.
Re exp forces: this is the only way to slow down Italy's rampage... While soviet exp forces were not able to (and cannot) prevent Italy from taking over Rumania early they did force a heavy commitment of Italian forces as well as of german forces and the campagin dragged for what =4 months ?- instead of the usual 2 weeks if Su does nothing... And while some 80 percent of Italys army was committed there, Italy was not able to attack elsewhere.
Re the Japan dow mess: another diplomatic bungle by the axis.. Japan dowed communist china without apparently checking its alliances.. Well commie china was allied with SU so Japan found itself at war with the comintern. As in this stage of the game this was really tough on Japan (and quite good for SU ) -and therefore on the axis- in the interest of fair play as well as to keep the game interesting we decided to go back to the save. We would do the same in similar situations for any country so if you find yourself in a mess because you pressed the wrong button or because or a bug or whatever, just let everybody know
-We stopped the 39 mostly because Germany unwittingly dragged Italy into war with allies due to diplomatic blunder in Yugo. Italy was not ready for this, so it would have led to disaster for the axis (we think)
- The bug with the soviet doctrine was not due to lag, all other research items could be researched except this one, I tried and tried for the whole duration of the short game (a month ?) but it never could be selected. Never the less we would have found a solution for this, but the above problem stopped the ongoing game.
Re "silliness" and historicity... Unfortunately 39 does not guarantee more historicity... the issues you mention (Japan taking over china and Italy going on a rampage) also happen in 39... The prior 39 game we played Italy dowed Turkey day 1.. Until the game mechanics impose a penalty on Italy and/or axis (10 percent dissent like SU, or hit on US WE/Soviet CG for Italy's dows?) we will keep on seeing aggressive Italys... Further a chinese player will not be able to stop the japanese either and Japan will almost always annex China.
Re exp forces: this is the only way to slow down Italy's rampage... While soviet exp forces were not able to (and cannot) prevent Italy from taking over Rumania early they did force a heavy commitment of Italian forces as well as of german forces and the campagin dragged for what =4 months ?- instead of the usual 2 weeks if Su does nothing... And while some 80 percent of Italys army was committed there, Italy was not able to attack elsewhere.
Re the Japan dow mess: another diplomatic bungle by the axis.. Japan dowed communist china without apparently checking its alliances.. Well commie china was allied with SU so Japan found itself at war with the comintern. As in this stage of the game this was really tough on Japan (and quite good for SU
) -and therefore on the axis- in the interest of fair play as well as to keep the game interesting we decided to go back to the save. We would do the same in similar situations for any country so if you find yourself in a mess because you pressed the wrong button or because or a bug or whatever, just let everybody know