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These are the settings I use, if anyone interested feel free to use.

Uzbeks/Bukhara

Monarchs:

Name Term D/M/A

Muhammad Shaibani 1492-1510 4/6/5
Kochkunju Khan 1510-1531 3/4/4
Muzaffaruddin Abu Saiid 1531-1533 3/3/3
Ubaidullah Khan 1533-1539 4/5/5
Abdullah I 1539-1540 3/3/3
Abu-al Aziz Khan 1540-1550 4/3/3
Nawruz Ahmad Khan 1550 - Sept 10 1556 3/3/3
Pir Muhammad I Sept 10 1556 - Apr 1 1561 3/4/3
Iskandar Bahadur Apr 1 1561 - Jun 22 1583 4/5/5
Abdullah II Jun 22 1583 - Feb 8 1598 5/6/5
Abd al-Mu'min Feb 11 1598 - Jun 30 1598 4/5/2
Pir Muhammad II Jun 30 1598 - Jul 23 1599 3/2/2
Yar Muhammad Jul 23 1599 - Sept 1 1600 3/3/4
Jani Muhammad Sept 1 1600 - Nov 17 1603 3/3/4
Baqi Muhammad Nov 17 1603 - May 19 1605 4/4/5
Wali Muhammad May 19 1605 - Sept 15 1611 4/4/3
Imam Quli Bahadur Sept 15 1611 - Nov 10 1641 5/5/3
Sayyid Nadir Muhammad Nov 10 1641 - Apr 27 1645 4/4/3
Sayyid Abd al-Aziz Apr 27 1645 - Oct 27 1681 5/5/4
Sayyid Subhan Quli Oct 28 1681 - Sept 4 1702 4/4/4
Sayyid Ubaidullah II Sept 4 1702 - Mar 16 1711 3/3/2
Abu-al Faiz Khan Mar 16 1711 - 1747 3/3/3
Abd al-Mum'in II 1747 - 1751 2/2/3
Ubaidullah II 1751 - 1753 3/3/3
Muhammad Rahim Khan 1753 - 1758 3/4/3
Abu al-Ghazi Khan 1758 - 1785 3/3/3
Maasum Shah Murad 1785 - 1800 3/5/4

Leaders:

Name Term R/M/F/Sh/Si

Muhammad Shaibani 1492 - 1510 0/4/1/4/0
Ubaidullah Khan 1508 - 1538 1/4/1/4/0
Sayyid Abd al-Aziz 1628 - Sept 7 1681 1/3/2/4/1
Imam Quli Bahadur 1611 - 1640 0/5/2/3/1
Maasum Shah Murad 1785 - 1800 0/4/2/4/0
Sayyid Subhan Quli 1645 - 1690 1/3/2/3/0
Abdullah II 1557 - Feb 8 1598 0/4/3/4/1
Din Muhammad 1583 - Aug 9 1598 2/4/2/3/0
Nawruz Ahmad Khan 1550 - Sept 10 1556 0/3/1/2/0
Abd al-Mum'in 1580 - Jun 30 1598 1/3/2/3/0
Baqi Muhammad 1590 - May 19 1605 1/3/2/3/0
Nadir Muhammad 1605 - Apr 27 1645 1/3/2/3/0
Yalangtush Bi 1611 - 1648 2/4/3/3/0
Khushika Bi 1681 - 1700 2/4/2/3/0
Gha'ib Nazar Bi 1686 - 1698 3/3/3/3/1

Bukhara should occupy the following povinces: 520 518 521 522 523 524

518: Khwarazm
City: Khiva
Base Income: 8
Goods: Slaves

520:Bouzatchi
City: Kabakly
Base Income: 1
Goods: Wool

521:Urganj
City: Urganj
Base Income:5
Goods:Wool or Clothes

522:Bukhara
City: Bukhara
Base Income: 12 (to compensate or COT)
Goods: orient

523:Marw
City: Marw
Base Income:7
Goods: Cot

524: Turkmenistan
City: Ashgabat
Base Income:3
Goods: Cot

More to follow.

Crook
 
is it historical?
if then you should ask ahrtman to add it to the igc=)
i would llove to play Uzbeck and be the last mongol to go out for world conquest, wich i can do with some leaders=)
 
is it historical?
if then you should ask ahrtman to add it to the igc=)
i would llove to play Uzbeck and be the last mongol to go out for world conquest, wich i can do with some leaders=)
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Actually, they are quite fun to play even now. They do have a few leaders and with a couple practice games under your belt you can have a very large empire from the baltic sea all the way to india and almost to the pacific ocean via the siberian pipeline. There is another thread about playing minors which gives some ideas on a reasonable way to add colonization to them.

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ErrantOne

PS Crook thanks for posting this. Sounds like there is a chance the leaders could get into the IGC. :)
 
15 leaders for the Uzbeks, with those ratings? Heck, China, Japan, Hungary and the Moguls only get 11 or 12 in the IGC and historically they had much, much more impact on history. Not that a few leaders for the Uzbeks isn't a good idea, but let's use the current balance as a guide.
And having to rework the Persian and Turkish leaders may throw off the play balance with Persia and Turkey's other enemies. It's best to limit changes, if it involves reworking many other areas of the game to keep play balance. Again, a few leaders I would have no complaints about.
 
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15 leaders for the Uzbeks, with those ratings? Heck, China, Japan, Hungary and the Moguls only get 11 or 12 in the IGC and historically they had much, much more impact on history. Not that a few leaders for the Uzbeks isn't a good idea, but let's use the current balance as a guide.
And having to rework the Persian and Turkish leaders may throw off the play balance with Persia and Turkey's other enemies. It's best to limit changes, if it involves reworking many other areas of the game to keep play balance. Again, a few leaders I would have no complaints about.
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The game balance wouldn't be disturbed, since AI Uzbeks rarely do anything. On the other hand, Persian, Moghul and Turkey leaders are clearly underrepresented. Playing as Uzbeks I rarely use my leaders, but I still manage to annex Persia, while AI Uzbeks gets hammered by Persia every time. Both are ahistorical, but which one is worse? I'd rather give Uzbeks a fighting chance. So, I personally don't see anything wrong with adding leaders who made impact on history (using your words), even if just a local history. As for the ratings, they're very average, and are well deserved. BTW, Hungary didn't make any signiicant contribution historically (again, using you words) after 1526, since they were incorporated into Austria. And how do we define historical contribution? Who's the judge? And what are the criteria?

After all, this is just my suggestion, if Doomie or anyone else wish to use them, they are welcome to do so.
 
Persia

Monarchs:

Name Term D/A/M

Baysonqor 1490 - May 1 1492 3/3/3
Rostam Mirza May 1 1492 - 1497 3/4/4
Sultan Morad 1497 - 1502 3/4/3
Ismail I 1502 - May 23 1524 6/6/7
Tahmasp I May 23 1524 - May 14 1576 3/6/5
Ismail II Aug 22 1576 - Nov 24 1577 3/5/5
Muhammad Khodabanda Feb 10 1578 - 1585 3/4/4
Hamza Mirza 1585 - Dec 4 1586 3/3/3
Abu Talib Dec 4 1586 - Dec 1 1587 4/3/3
Abbas I Dec 1 1587 - Jan 19 1629 8/9/9
Safi I Feb 16 1629 - May 11 1642 4/3/5
Abbas II May 16 1642 - Sep 25 1666 7/7/4
Suleiman I Oct 3 1666 - Jan 29 1694 6/5/5
Sultan Husain Aug 7 1694 - Oct 22 1722 4/3/4
Tahmasp II Oct 22 1722 - Sep 7 1732 4/3/3
Abbas III Sep 7 1732 - Mar 8 1736 5/4/4
Nadir Mar 8 1736 - Jun 19 1747 7/8/5
Adil Jun 19 1747 - 1748 3/3/3
Ibrahim 1748 - 1749 3/3/3
Karim 1750 - 1779 5/6/3
Ali Murad 1779 - 1785 5/4/5
Djaffar 1785 - 1789 5/4/4
Lutf Ali 1789 - 1792 4/4/5

Leaders:

Name Term R/M//Sh/Si

Ismail I 1502 - May 23 1524 0/3/2/3/0
Abbas I Dec 1 1587 - Jan 19 1629 0/4/4/4/1
Safi I Feb 16 1629 - May 11 1642 0/2/2/1/0
Abbas II May 16 1642 - Sep 25 1666 0/3/4/2/0
Nadir Shah 1726 - Jun 19 1747 0/5/3/5/1
Karim Shah 1750 - 1779 0/2/2/2/1
Hoseyn Lala Beg 1506 - Aug 23 1514 2/3/1/3/0
Farhad Khan 1589 - 1599 1/4/2/4/0
Allahverdi Khan 1597 - Jun 3 1613 1/4/4/4/1
Emir Guna Beg 1601 - 1625 2/3/3/4/1
Qarchaqay Bei 1602 - 1624 3/4/3/4/0
Hamza Mirza 1580 - Dec 4 1586 1/3/2/2/0
Cuha Sultan 1523 - 1531 2/3/2/3/0
Tahmasp I 1529 - May 14 1576 0/4/2/3/1
Fath Ali Khan 1722 - 1726 2/3/2/2/0
Ibrahim Khan 1727 - Nov 14 1738 2/4/2/3/0
Latif Khan (ADM) 1734 - Jul 7 1738 1/3/2/3/0
Mir Ali Khan (ADM) 1737 - Sep 5 1740 1/3/1/2/0
Tahmasp Khan 1733 - 1747 0/3/2/3/0
Sultan Ali Padeshah Jun 1 1492 - 1494 1/3/1/3/0

I changed the city in Elbruz (Prov # 525) to Astarabad (pop = 6000) and changed goods to fish.

Population of Mashhad (Prov #526) is raised to 4500 and goods changed to wine.

Population of other small towns is raised to 3000, all of them given level 1 forts.

Crook
 
Here are the historical events (change the MonarchIDs if necessary):


1270;25;15;;;;;;Civil War;;Baysonqor;Obscurism;PER
1270;26;15;;;;;;;;Baysonqor;Obscurism;PER
1270;26;15;;;;;;;;Baysonqor;Obscurism;PER
1270;26;15;;;;;;;;Baysonqor;Obscurism;PER
1860;1;15;;;;;;Civil War;;Rostam Mirza;Obscurism;PER
1860;1;15;;;;;;;;Rostam Mirza;Obscurism;PER
1860;2;15;;;;;;;;Rostam Mirza;Obscurism;PER
1275;27;15;;;;;;Civil War;;Sultan Morad;Obscurism;PER
1275;28;15;;;;;;;;Sultan Morad;Obscurism;PER
1275;28;15;;;;;;;;Sultan Morad;Obscurism;PER
1275;28;15;;;;;;;;Sultan Morad;Obscurism;PER
1275;37;15;;;;;;;;Sultan Morad;Obscurism;PER
1275;38;15;;;;;;;;Sultan Morad;Obscurism;PER
1275;38;15;;;;;;;;Sultan Morad;Obscurism;PER
1275;38;15;;;;;;;;Sultan Morad;Obscurism;PER
1275;51;41;;;;;;;;Sultan Morad;Bad Gov;PER
0835;1;15;;;;;;Civil War;;Ismail II;Obscurism;PER
0835;1;15;;;;;;;;Ismail II;Obscurism;PER
0835;2;15;;;;;;;;Ismail II;Obscurism;PER
0835;2;15;;;;;;;;Ismail II;Obscurism;PER
0835;3;15;;;;;;;;Ismail II;Obscurism;PER
0835;3;15;;;;;;;;Ismail II;Obscurism;PER
0835;5;41;;;;;;;;Ismail II;Bad Gov;PER
1648;1;15;;;;;;;;Muhammad Shaibani;Obscurism;IRA
1648;1;15;;;;;;;;Muhammad Shaibani;Obscurism;IRA
1648;1;15;;;;;;;;Muhammad Shaibani;Obscurism;IRA
1648;1;15;;;;;;;;Muhammad Shaibani;Obscurism;IRA
1648;1;15;;;;;;;;Muhammad Shaibani;Obscurism;IRA
1648;2;15;;;;;;;;Muhammad Shaibani;Obscurism;IRA
1648;2;1;;;;;;Civil War;;Muhammad Shaibani;Unhappy Peasants;IRA
1648;3;15;;;;;;;;Muhammad Shaibani;Obscurism;IRA
1250;0;15;;;;;;;;Pir Muhammad I;Obscurism;IRA
1250;1;15;;;;;;Civil War;;Pir Muhammad I;Obscurism;IRA
1250;1;15;;;;;;;;Pir Muhammad I;Obscurism;IRA
1250;1;15;;;;;;;;Pir Muhammad I;Obscurism;IRA
1250;2;15;;;;;;;;Pir Muhammad I;Obscurism;IRA
1250;2;15;;;;;;;;Pir Muhammad I;Obscurism;IRA
1250;2;15;;;;;;;;Pir Muhammad I;Obscurism;IRA
1250;3;15;;;;;;;;Pir Muhammad I;Obscurism;IRA
1252;1;15;;;;;;Civil War;;Pir Muhammad II;Obscurism;IRA
1252;1;15;;;;;;;;Pir Muhammad II;Obscurism;IRA
1252;1;15;;;;;;;;Pir Muhammad II;Obscurism;IRA
1252;1;15;;;;;;;;Pir Muhammad II;Obscurism;IRA
1252;1;15;;;;;;;;Pir Muhammad II;Obscurism;IRA
1252;2;1;;;;;;;;Pir Muhammad II;Unhappy Peasants;IRA
1252;2;1;;;;;;;;Pir Muhammad II;Unhappy Peasants;IRA
1252;5;41;;;;;;;;Pir Muhammad II;Bad Gov;IRA
1263;0;15;;;;;;;;Hamza Mirza;Obscurism;PER
1263;1;15;;;;;;;;Hamza Mirza;Obscurism;PER
1263;2;15;;;;;;;;Hamza Mirza;Obscurism;PER
1263;2;15;;;;;;;;Hamza Mirza;Obscurism;PER
1263;21;15;;;;;;;;Hamza Mirza;Obscurism;PER
1263;22;15;;;;;;;;Hamza Mirza;Obscurism;PER
1263;22;15;;;;;;;;Hamza Mirza;Obscurism;PER
1263;23;15;;;;;;;;Hamza Mirza;Obscurism;PER
1264;0;15;;;;;;;;Abu Talib;Obscurism;PER
1264;1;15;;;;;;;;Abu Talib;Obscurism;PER
1264;1;15;;;;;;;;Abu Talib;Obscurism;PER
1264;2;15;;;;;;;;Abu Talib;Obscurism;PER
1863;0;15;;;;;;Civil War;;Tahmasp II;Obscurism;PER
1863;1;15;;;;;;;;Tahmasp II;Obscurism;PER
1863;2;15;;;;;;;;Tahmasp II;Obscurism;PER
1863;8;15;;;;;;;;Tahmasp II;Obscurism;PER
1863;11;15;;;;;;;;Tahmasp II;Obscurism;PER
1863;16;15;;;;;;;;Tahmasp II;Obscurism;PER
1863;30;15;;;;;;;;Tahmasp II;Obscurism;PER
1863;24;41;;;;;;Indecisive;;Tahmasp II;Bad Gov;PER
1868;300;41;;;;;;Indecisive;;Sultan Husain;Bad Gov;PER
1861;1;1;;;;;;Instability;;Ismail I;Unhappy Peasants;PER
1861;1;1;;;;;;;;Ismail I;Unhappy Peasants;PER
1861;5;1;;;;;;;;Ismail I;Unhappy Peasants;PER
1861;5;1;;;;;;;;Ismail I;Unhappy Peasants;PER
2507;4;15;;;;;;Instability;;Adil;Obscurism;PER
2507;4;15;;;;;;;;Adil;Obscurism;PER
2507;4;15;;;;;;;;Adil;Obscurism;PER
2507;4;15;;;;;;;;Adil;Obscurism;PER
2507;5;41;;;;;;;;Adil;Bad Gov;PER
2507;5;41;;;;;;;;Adil;Bad Gov;PER
2508;1;15;;;;;;;;Ibrahim;Obscurism;PER
2508;5;41;;;;;;;;Ibrahim;Bad Gov;PER
1864;120;35;;;;;;Popular among Army;;Abbas I;Free men;PER
1864;240;40;;;;;;;;Abbas I;Good gov;PER
1864;252;25;;;;;;Reputed;;Abbas I;Reputation;PER
1864;184;35;;;;;;Popular among Army;;Abbas I;Free Men;PER
1864;144;33;;;;;;Technical;;Abbas I;Land tech;PER
1864;151;33;;;;;;;;Abbas I;Land tech;PER
1864;160;38;;;;;;Agricultural;;Abbas I;Tax increase;PER
1864;400;27;;;;;;Industrial;;Abbas I;Manufactury;PER
1869;1;36;;;;;;Creation of Navy;;Nadir Shah;Free ships;PER
1869;6;35;;;;;;Popular among Army;;Nadir Shah;Free Men;PER
1869;2;34;;;;;;;;Nadir Shah;Naval tech;PER
1869;36;35;;;;;;Popular among Army;;Nadir Shah;Free Men;PER
1869;30;40;;;;;;;;Nadir Shah;Good Gov;PER
1869;60;33;;;;;;Technical;;Nadir Shah;Land tech;PER
1869;80;15;;;;;;Revolts;;Nadir Shah;Obscurism;PER
1869;81;15;;;;;;;;Nadir Shah;Obscurism;PER
1869;82;15;;;;;;;;Nadir Shah;Obscurism;PER
1869;82;1;;;;;;;;Nadir Shah;Unhappy Peasants;PER
1869;83;1;;;;;;;;Nadir Shah;Unhappy Peasants;PER
1869;84;1;;;;;;;;Nadir Shah;Unhappy Peasants;PER
1869;85;1;;;;;;;;Nadir Shah;Unhappy Peasants;PER
2077;24;15;;;;;;Civil War;;Nawruz Ahmad;Obscurism;IRA
2077;24;15;;;;;;;;Nawruz Ahmad;Obscurism;IRA
2077;24;15;;;;;;;;Nawruz Ahmad;Obscurism;IRA
2077;25;15;;;;;;;;Nawruz Ahmad;Obscurism;IRA
2077;25;15;;;;;;;;Nawruz Ahmad;Obscurism;IRA
2077;25;15;;;;;;;;Nawruz Ahmad;Obscurism;IRA
2077;26;15;;;;;;;;Nawruz Ahmad;Obscurism;IRA
2077;27;1;;;;;;;;Nawruz Ahmad;Unhappy Peasants;IRA
2077;28;1;;;;;;;;Nawruz Ahmad;Unhappy Peasants;IRA
2077;28;1;;;;;;;;Nawruz Ahmad;Unhappy Peasants;IRA
2077;30;1;;;;;;;;Nawruz Ahmad;Unhappy Peasants;IRA
2077;42;1;;;;;;;;Nawruz Ahmad;Unhappy Peasants;IRA
2077;43;1;;;;;;;;Nawruz Ahmad;Unhappy Peasants;IRA
2077;44;1;;;;;;;;Nawruz Ahmad;Unhappy Peasants;IRA
2077;45;1;;;;;;;;Nawruz Ahmad;Unhappy Peasants;IRA
2077;30;41;;;;;;Indecisive;;Nawruz Ahmad;Bad Gov;IRA
2077;42;41;;;;;;;;Nawruz Ahmad;Bad Gov;IRA
2077;50;41;;;;;;;;Nawruz Ahmad;Bad Gov;IRA
1616;16;35;;;;;;Popular among Army;;Abdullah II;Free Men;IRA
1616;2;13;;300;;;;Popular among Nobility;;Abdullah II;Gift;IRA
1616;60;18;;;;;;Mercantile;;Abdullah II;Demand;IRA
1616;125;35;;;;;;;;Abdullah II;Free Men;IRA
1616;92;24;;RUS;SIB;MOG;;Diplomat;;Abdullah II;Diplomacy;IRA
1251;1;41;;;;;;Unpopular among Nobility;;Abd al-Mum'in;Bad Gov;IRA
1652;180;24;;MOG;PER;RUS;;Diplomat;;Imam Quli;Diplomacy;IRA
1652;260;35;;;;;;Popular among Army;;Imam Quli;Free Men;IRA
1652;200;13;;200;;;;Popular among Nobility;;Imam Quli;Gift;IRA
0768;68;24;;PER;PER;PER;;Diplomat;;Wali Muhammad;Diplomacy;IRA
0768;65;1;;;;;;;;Wali Muhammad;Unhappy Peasants;IRA
0768;66;1;;;;;;;;Wali Muhammad;Unhappy Peasants;IRA
0768;67;1;;;;;;;;Wali Muhammad;Unhappy Peasants;IRA
0768;66;41;;;;;;Unpopular among Nobility;;Wali Muhammad;Bad Gov;IRA
1653;24;24;;PER;MOG;MOG;;Diplomat;;Nadir Muhammad;Diplomacy;IRA
0769;120;41;;;;;;;;Subhan Quli;Bad Gov;IRA
0770;48;41;;;;;;;;Ubaidullah II;Bad Gov;IRA
0770;52;41;;;;;;;;Ubaidullah II;Bad Gov;IRA
1649;1;15;;;;;;Civil War;;Kochkunju Khan;Obscurism;IRA
1649;1;15;;;;;;;;Kochkunju Khan;Obscurism;IRA
1649;2;15;;;;;;;;Kochkunju Khan;Obscurism;IRA
1649;2;15;;;;;;;;Kochkunju Khan;Obscurism;IRA
1649;2;15;;;;;;;;Kochkunju Khan;Obscurism;IRA
1649;2;15;;;;;;;;Kochkunju Khan;Obscurism;IRA
1649;3;15;;;;;;;;Kochkunju Khan;Obscurism;IRA
1649;3;15;;;;;;;;Kochkunju Khan;Obscurism;IRA
1649;13;41;;;;;;;;Kochkunju Khan;Bad Gov;IRA

This is by no means complete. I would also recommend finding and moving ALL Dip Insult events (event 50) to the end, since it doesn't work, and screws up whatever you put after it. We might as well delete them.

Free to anyone.

Have fun.

Crook
 
Hey Crook, why don't you mail me those files? It would spare me a lot of unnecessary work...
 
Better yet, can you post the files somewhere to be downloaded by anyone? Would be nice to see the real files to tie in monarch IDs with the events you listed. BTW, those are some rough times for the Uzbeks & Persians. looks like alot of fun. :)

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ErrantOne
 
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Considering my fondness for the Central Asians - do you think it wise to handicap already weak nations in this way? I mean, I can understand the big nations that always swallow up everything but really, its not like the Uzbeks are that strong. And the Persians have it somewhat better off but I think this is going to unbalance them severely.
 
Jehangir,

I played both Persia and Uzbeks, and it's a lot of revolts, but basically Persia was disintegrating from 1490 till 1499/1500, while Bukhara/Uzbeks were in the process of formation. From what I saw AI Persia is quite capable of getting rid of most of them (revolts) by 1504-1505 like it should be. I would like to add one more Obscurism for Uzbeks, though to even them out with Persians. In other words, Uzbeks will find it hard to invade Persia and take advantage of the situation. Turkey obviously can, but their hands are tied with Mameluks, so it's unlikely they will either.

Doomie,

Which files do you want? I can send you the leaders/monarchs + Hist. Events + Province, if you like the adjustments in income and goods.
I also would like to see very much the re-assignment of TRI tag in IGC to represent Qazaqs. Spain already have Aragon and Catalyuna as revolters, we should add some historical revolts to Spanish kings.
I play all my games with Qazaqs and they manage to slow down Russians for 30-40 years very effectively, while Uzbeks in IGC are too ahistorically huge. Just let me know.

ErrantOne,

Unfortunately, I can't. I can ask Gen Suvorov if he's willing to lend me some space on his server :).

Have fun,

Crook
 
Unfortunately, I can't. I can ask Gen Suvorov if he's willing to lend me some space on his server
Whatever works for you. You may also want to try any of the free webpages services too. At least that way you have control over your own content. (www.geocities.com, is one choice). You dont even have to get fancy on the HTML, just enough to post your files.

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ErrantOne
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Crook,

I would hate to see Granada go, but I am not immune to good arguments... So convince me. ;)

As for the files I need, that would be the monarch and leader files for Persia and the Uzbeks, plus the historical monarch events file. I reserve the right to leave some of the leaders out though.
 
I know that I shouldn't really push in where I don't belong, but on the Granada issue, wouldn't it be better to have a specific Granada scenario that people who want to play it can play, instead of using a tag for a country that 90% of the time doesn't last beyond the first three month of the game. I have a fondness for their struggle but it seems a waste of a tag. Just a practical thought.
 
Jehangir,

As I see it, the whole point with Granada is its existence as a revolter; not its short initial existence in 1492. As such, it is as valid and relevant as most other revolters.

What I want to know is how important the Qazaks were in the grand scheme of things. ;)
 
But...

The revolt risk of Granada is due to their muslimic population? That's not quite historical, because the population of Granada and Andalusia was majorly christian, it's just they were ruled by muslims (I think the religion of these two provinces should be changed, so). All the muslims of Spain were forced to convert or expelled from the kingdom in the early 1600's, which further lessened any "revolt" risk (which was never present, because the muslim population had always been low). I would not worry about putting off Granada. It was just a city under siege in the early 1492. And his existence as a revolter is unhistorical.
Also, my two-cents about Catalonia-Aragon:
The historical Crown of Aragon was composed of several countries ruled by one king: the Kingdom of Valencia, the Kingdom of Aragon, the County of Barcelona and the Dukedom of Naples and Two Sicilies.
The rulers were catalans but, since Barcelona was just a County, not a kingdom (unlike Aragon) they took the higher-ranked title of King of Aragon (what's cooler, be a fancy king or just a silly Count? :p ). They were, in fact, called "Count-Kings". So, my point is that that we can free one of the id's an create just only one Catalonia-Aragon revolter. You could call it "Crown of Aragon", which was the official name, or "Catalonia-Aragon", which was also used. The center of power was in fact in Barcelona, so that should be the main province needed to revolt, with Gerona, Aragon, Valencia and Balearic Islands as "pluses". Gerona could be also added to the "required" provinces.
 
Doomie,

I actually agree with Jehangir. Granada brings very little, and never emerges. Spain already has 2 historically more accurate revolters in Catalyuna and Aragon, why press for more? We would be definitely be better off with some other country in Asia, and added revolts for Spanish kings.

As for Qazaqs, they should occupy the portion east of Sibir (which is Nogay Horde). They slow down Russian expansion until early 1600s, which is good. Having a combined Uzbek+Qazaq state is very inaccurate, they hated each other big time and had multiple wars against each other. Uzbeks in IGC are way too big. BTW, adjustment of income is necessary for core Uzbek provinces (see list above), since the region was rich, Khiva for instance was the biggest slave market of the region, and cotton, silk and fruits has made the region famous. Leaving Uzbeks with wool makes them weak and an easy prey, which wasn't exactly the case until 1710s.

Importance of Qazaqs is two-fold: they were a barrier to Russian expansion south, and only were peacefully incorporated in late 1700s early 1800s; they create a necessary diversion for the region, it's not like Uzbeks and Sibir were the only entities in the region. They contolled quite a bit of land and were a constant menace to Bukhara.

Crook
 
Re: But...

Originally posted by celedhring
The revolt risk of Granada is due to their muslimic population? That's not quite historical, because the population of Granada and Andalusia was majorly christian, it's just they were ruled by muslims (I think the religion of these two provinces should be changed, so). All the muslims of Spain were forced to convert or expelled from the kingdom in the early 1600's, which further lessened any "revolt" risk (which was never present, because the muslim population had always been low). I would not worry about putting off Granada. It was just a city under siege in the early 1492. And his existence as a revolter is unhistorical.
Also, my two-cents about Catalonia-Aragon:
The historical Crown of Aragon was composed of several countries ruled by one king: the Kingdom of Valencia, the Kingdom of Aragon, the County of Barcelona and the Dukedom of Naples and Two Sicilies.
The rulers were catalans but, since Barcelona was just a County, not a kingdom (unlike Aragon) they took the higher-ranked title of King of Aragon (what's cooler, be a fancy king or just a silly Count? :p ). They were, in fact, called "Count-Kings". So, my point is that that we can free one of the id's an create just only one Catalonia-Aragon revolter. You could call it "Crown of Aragon", which was the official name, or "Catalonia-Aragon", which was also used. The center of power was in fact in Barcelona, so that should be the main province needed to revolt, with Gerona, Aragon, Valencia and Balearic Islands as "pluses". Gerona could be also added to the "required" provinces.
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Granada

I see even less historical basis for this to exist if it is there primarily as a revolter - the reasons have already been outlined very well above, but I just wanted to add my agreement. Additionally, I will say that I have seen almost all the revolters appear in the IGC except for two - Granada and the French Protestants. I know a lot of this is sheer randomness but I just question how much likelihood there is for this revolter to ever really appear. I am not advocating the Qazaks either, just agreeing with observations relevant to an important issue - there are a fixed number of tags and there appears to be the need to free some up. Actually (this may come as a suprise to some) between the Qazaks and Granada, I still might prefer keeping Granada. I am just not sure either is necessary and a free tag might be useful.
 
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