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I have a question about bad boy values.

I am currently playing Russia in GC and having read the strategic advise I followed it by the letter and overrun Kazan, Golden Horde Most of Astrakahn adn Sibir in 20 Years while also securing the future site of St. Petersburg for my Empire. Well as far as I know, this is all quite historic and necessary for a succesful russian game.
But Now my Badboy value is probabaly at you know where.

I am facing now the problem that not only everybody hates me, but also when I send them Gifts the effect erode after a few years, because my relations get automatically worse. I have put my relations marker with catholic countries to 8 or 9 (giving me a revolt in estonia every other day) but nevertehelss I have got the feeling that my relations rather suffer than rise.

So here are my questions:

1) Would my BB value be lower if I had taken more time to conquest all these territories?

2) Is my diplomatic problem due to my high BB value? or is the religious setting buggy

3) Will my BB value ever fall again? (I have been peaceful now for 20 - 40 years without much effect)

4) If all the above are answered agaionst me, how are you supposed to play a historic russia. (conquering Pleskau, the Order? half of poland the rest of Astrakhan and Crimea a bit of Persia and maybe some asiatic minors all in the gamescope, while still having very good relations to some europeans powers once the 18th century came about)
 
Badboy value decreases over time (don´t know the exact rate, though). That´s why one either shouldn´t hurry conquest in the beginning. If one is already in the predicament one should consider switching to peaceful development for quite a long time (e.g. after the conquest of Sibir), just fighting occasional attackers to a white peace.
It is generally a good idea not to hurry much ahead in conquest, because a rising badboy value of OTHER countries also helps due to the AI not directing all efforts against You or You alone.

Hartmann
 
Hmmm

Can the BB-Value rise as an affect of strong colonizing?
I faced it playing Spain: From 1492 on I never startet a war, France declared war two times on me. During these wars I only annexed Navarra, and demanded ~1500 Dukats from France. Afterwards I 'lost' the war against the netherlands, and then I had no further wars...
Some 30 years later everyone declared war against me...
I saved and checked my BB-value and it was 28, then I checked the French BB-Value it was 8 although they declared war on everybody eveny 5-8 years....
 
Where's that?

Originally posted by Leprechaun

I saved and checked my BB-value and it was 28, then I checked the French BB-Value it was 8 although they declared war on everybody eveny 5-8 years....
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I did not know that it is actually possible to check the BB value. Where do you do that?

I do like the BB concept, but I think that it still needs some tweaking. There's absolute no reason for most of the world declaring war on me, just because I march against Myore or the Iroquis.

Regards,

EoE
 
Ahm I checked it in the savegame-file....
It's not posiible to check it while playing.... unfortunately....
 
Re: Hmmm

Originally posted by Leprechaun
Can the BB-Value rise as an affect of strong colonizing?
I faced it playing Spain: From 1492 on I never startet a war, France declared war two times on me. During these wars I only annexed Navarra, and demanded ~1500 Dukats from France. Afterwards I 'lost' the war against the netherlands, and then I had no further wars...
Some 30 years later everyone declared war against me...
I saved and checked my BB-value and it was 28, then I checked the French BB-Value it was 8 although they declared war on everybody eveny 5-8 years....
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If you annexed one state, your BB value should be so, in my opinion. And if France only declared wars, but didn´t get any province or annexed someone, its BB value should be much less than your´s.
Or I´m mistaken...
 
The BB value thing seems kinda lame. I understand the idea behind (an effort to discourage would-be Napoleons), but it seems like implementing it in a reasonable manner would be very hard to do.

For some countries, taking over other countries is expected. Russia is a good example. Russia annexing Khazan should not have the same negative effect as France annexing Scotland, for example. Are the calculations sophisticated enough to see the difference?

Is it only based upon annexing, even if the other guy started the war? That seems rather silly to me. I would think monarchs of the time would see the difference between a war of aggression and responding to being attacked.

Berkut
 
The BB value thing seems kinda lame. I understand the idea behind (an effort to discourage would-be Napoleons), but it seems like implementing it in a reasonable manner would be very hard to do.

For some countries, taking over other countries is expected. Russia is a good example. Russia annexing Khazan should not have the same negative effect as France annexing Scotland, for example. Are the calculations sophisticated enough to see the difference?


Yes, taking out countries of another religion gives a much lesser increase. There are a lot of different things affecting how much and what causes it to increase.

ie, Annexing complete countries of same religion without having a casus belli is a big no-no.
While taking a province or two from a heathen you have casus belli on is almost accepted.

/Johan
 
Wouldn´t it be a good thing to have the badboy value explained in detail in some sort of manual addendum (like the reposte)?

Also: Spain seems not to be inclined to annex Aztecs and Incas lately. Has that something to do with intending to be nice? :)

Hartmann
 
Badboy section

Originally posted by Huszics
I've made a badboy section in my FAQ to hold us out meanwhile.

What do you think about it, anything missing or incorrect ?
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I think it gives a good understanding of the subject. Continue the good work!
 
But what about Incas, Aztecs etc. If you annex those countries or take some colonies from other countries, does your badboy still change? BTW whats your worst badboy rating?? Mine is 147 when i played the Ottomans.....
 
Originally posted by Hartmann
Wouldn´t it be a good thing to have the badboy value explained in detail in some sort of manual addendum (like the reposte)?


Hartmann
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Yeah, Like a pop up window, where it says ' My Lord, our diplomatic relations are very bad right now, I strongly advise you to improve them, if you intend to wage war soon.'
 
Originally posted by Huszics
I've made a badboy section in my FAQ to hold us out meanwhile.

What do you think about it, anything missing or incorrect ?
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Great work! Didn't know about the colonial part. No wonder I had a huge bb value with England despite never getting involved in Europe.
 
Originally posted by Huszics
I've made a badboy section in my FAQ to hold us out meanwhile.

What do you think about it, anything missing or incorrect ?
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Very good job Huszics! I only miss one thing.

What is the scale for the bad boy value? Does it have a maximum or minimum? At which value are your opponents considering you as a bad boy? Is it so easy that you are the bad boy of the game if you have the highest value, no matter what it is?

/Tjalle
 
Originally posted by Tjalle



Very good job Huszics! I only miss one thing.

What is the scale for the bad boy value? Does it have a maximum or minimum? At which value are your opponents considering you as a bad boy? Is it so easy that you are the bad boy of the game if you have the highest value, no matter what it is?

/Tjalle
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I whish I knew...
 
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