Be Advised, PDox

[cristofolmc]

Ehhh.... I want Vicky 3 to come when it's good and ready. Even after all this time, I think Vicky 2 holds up, and I'm worried about Vicky ending up like HOI if they rush it (substantial features of last game removed without a reasonable replacement leading to simulation issues for over a year after release).

I'm especially concerned about the economic simulation in Vicky 3. Paradox has had a simplification habit lately, and Vicky without a proper economic simulation isn't Vicky. 2's economic simulation wasn't perfect, but it was good enough that I voluntarily played pacifist (as in, 0 war declarations, 0 battles) games in Vicky 2. I have never done that in any other Paradox game, except for Stellaris, and had infinitely more fun in Vicky 2.

Yes, basically this. If they are going to do a lame oversimplistic economic system like EU4's or something, just to sell more, they might as well drop it and let us keep playing Vicky 2 which as you very well said, it holds up more than good. Because it has issues that we'd like adress, but mechanic-wise is still the best paradox game, as far as depth goes.

 

[petertju]

There is no reason at all to expect them to announce Vicky 3. If I recall correctly Vicky 2 didn't sell that well and they still have to make money. There might be a big demand for it here, but this is the place where the die-hard Paradox fans are.

 

[Henry Tudor]

There is no reason at all to expect them to announce Vicky 3. If I recall correctly Vicky 2 didn't sell that well and they still have to make money. There might be a big demand for it here, but this is the place where the die-hard Paradox fans are.

Largely true, but I think that they will make Vicky 3, purely because many of the Paradox staff actually want to make it. PDX don't just make games for money, yes their DLC policy is aimed toward that, but the initial game that they create is done purely because of their passion to create that specific game, so yes, Vicky 3 will be announced but the only question remaining is if it will be in May, or next year, or the year after

 

[Sanny]

I think they were teasing with their PDXCON announcement that there will be no Victoria III this year. But they did say something big was coming from PDS.

We also have to remember that they will only announce games that are close to completion and are of decent quality, after the disaster with Hearts of Iron IV's development.

 

[loup99]

There is no reason at all to expect them to announce Vicky 3. If I recall correctly Vicky 2 didn't sell that well and they still have to make money. There might be a big demand for it here, but this is the place where the die-hard Paradox fans are.

We know Victoria 2 sold well enough for a sequel to be justified, and that the developers have plenty of ideas for it. For a while the excuse was that there was no internal champion, but with the return of King that changed. There are however little reasons for them to announce Victoria 3 this year though, since they explicitly said they wouldn't do it.

 

[ᛒᛖᚱᛋᛖᚱᚲ]

We know Victoria 2 sold well enough for a sequel to be justified, and that the developers have plenty of ideas for it. For a while the excuse was that there was no internal champion, but with the return of King that changed. There are however little reasons for them to announce Victoria 3 this year though, since they explicitly said they wouldn't do it.

The "Vicky2 didn't sell well enough to make another one" thing is a moot point in a day and age where CK2 and EU4 smashed sales ceilings, and Paradox is publishing more than ever before. They also once said they would only do EU: Rome 2 if it Kickstarted successfully but I'm inclined to think that position has changed too.

 

[MN121MN]

I think they were teasing with their PDXCON announcement that there will be no Victoria III this year. But they did say something big was coming from PDS.

We also have to remember that they will only announce games that are close to completion and are of decent quality, after the disaster with Hearts of Iron IV's development.

I recall in the podcast with Shams that Johan mentioned working on a secret project (with features that seems to be completely new to PDX titles).

Question was if this is King or Doomdark's secret project, or Johan's own secret project as well (meaning there are 3, not 2, secret projects).

 

[Sanny]

I recall in the podcast with Shams that Johan mentioned working on a secret project (with features that seems to be completely new to PDX titles).

Question was if this is King or Doomdark's secret project, or Johan's own secret project as well (meaning there are 3, not 2, secret projects).

There's 5 secret projects last I heard. There was a post from one of the devs detailing the codenames. And 2 projects were well into production meaning unveiling may be soon.

I'm also certain one of the games will be of a Fantasy nature, there's been lots of hints dropped and Paradox was interested in buying the rights from HBO to make Game of Thrones games they've also said that they want to think outside the box and delve into different ideas other than history, after Stellaris was released.

 

[MN121MN]

There's 5 secret projects last I heard. There was a post from one of the devs detailing the codenames. And 2 projects were well into production meaning unveiling may be soon.

I'm also certain one of the games will be of a Fantasy nature, there's been lots of hints dropped and Paradox was interested in buying the rights from HBO to make Game of Thrones games they've also said that they want to think outside the box and delve into different ideas other than history, after Stellaris was released.

AFAIK, one of the projects share 2 similar names. So that's 4 projects. Then, Shafer left, which means another project axed. That's 3: King, Doomdark, and (maybe) Johan.

On GOT, isn't it actually old news? And besides, don't they just need George R.R. Martin's or his publisher, not HBO?

 

[Rhaegar1]

AFAIK, one of the projects share 2 similar names. So that's 4 projects. Then, Shafer left, which means another project axed. That's 3: King, Doomdark, and (maybe) Johan.

On GOT, isn't it actually old news? And besides, don't they just need George R.R. Martin's or his publisher, not HBO?

I totally don't see GoT happen. I mean, the kind of game that would fit the GoT book the best would be a game where you play a character that tries through backstabbing, marrying, warfare and plotting to gain more power and when it dies your familiy hier could take over. And they allready have that game. The GOT mod for CK2 is basically the perfect GOT game, so topping that is going to be a long shot.

 

[ᛒᛖᚱᛋᛖᚱᚲ]

Paradox made a pitch that was shot down, as before Telltale's GoT game all previous GoT/ASoIaF games tanked. Besides, GoT is wrapping up, all the hysteria is going to die down even with spinoff shows.

 

[brifbates]

The "Vicky2 didn't sell well enough to make another one" thing is a moot point in a day and age where CK2 and EU4 smashed sales ceilings, and Paradox is publishing more than ever before. They also once said they would only do EU: Rome 2 if it Kickstarted successfully but I'm inclined to think that position has changed too.

I'd say it's possibly less of a factor as they have better overall revenue so can maybe afford to take a chance. OTOH, they also went public which puts more pressure on the bottom line leaving less wiggle room for taking chances...

 

[yourworstnightm]

There's 5 secret projects last I heard. There was a post from one of the devs detailing the codenames. And 2 projects were well into production meaning unveiling may be soon.

I'm also certain one of the games will be of a Fantasy nature, there's been lots of hints dropped and Paradox was interested in buying the rights from HBO to make Game of Thrones games they've also said that they want to think outside the box and delve into different ideas other than history, after Stellaris was released.

HBO can't sell the right to make Game of Thrones games, GRRM has the video game rights, but there still need to be a deal with HBO if they want to make things look like in the show (i.e. have the show version of King's Landing or Tyrion look like Peter Dinklage) since that is controlled by HBO.

 

[Eldoran]

There is no reason at all to expect them to announce Vicky 3. If I recall correctly Vicky 2 didn't sell that well and they still have to make money. There might be a big demand for it here, but this is the place where the die-hard Paradox fans are.

Im tired of reading this argument cause its lazy and false. Frederik even shaved his head cause he lost a bet about vicky solding better than he thought.
I linked the news somewhere else but since this atgument is so lazy i wont make the effort linking it

 

[EU3NOOB]

Plus, East v. West was cancelled

East v. West wasn't cancelled due to anything bad on PDS' end. All PDS did was up their standards on what quality a game needs to meet that the people slated to make the game failed to reach and didn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of meeting even with more time and money.

Thus it was cancelled. The biggest fundamental flaw that killed EvW was that it was built upon HoI3 and whether or not you like the game, it just wasn't a good foundation for a spin-off game.

 

[aruon]

East v. West wasn't cancelled due to anything bad on PDS' end. All PDS did was up their standards on what quality a game needs to meet that the people slated to make the game failed to reach and didn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of meeting even with more time and money.

Thus it was cancelled. The biggest fundamental flaw that killed EvW was that it was built upon HoI3 and whether or not you like the game, it just wasn't a good foundation for a spin-off game.

this. it took me a while to admit it to myself, but much of the issue was that the underlying parent code was not just outdated or obsolete, but badly designed for anything outside its intended scope, as seen with the limitations of HOI 3 that make HOI 2, AoD, and DH arguably more fulfilling games.

 

[EU3NOOB]

this. it took me a while to admit it to myself, but much of the issue was that the underlying parent code was not just outdated or obsolete, but badly designed for anything outside its intended scope, as seen with the limitations of HOI 3 that make HOI 2, AoD, and DH arguably more fulfilling games.

Yeah, while people (particularly HoI3 players) like to bash HoI4 for the way it was released, at least the damned thing was playable at release. HoI3 was an absolute disaster on release. But people like ignoring that.

This is a fairly common phenomenon amongst Paradox fans in general, where they tend to forget or weren't around for the pre-CKII era where buying a game upon release was ill advised because the games tended to be majorly broken upon their release. I remember Vicky II 1.0 being a complete mess, for example, playable, but a mess.

 

[General WVPM]

Nearly every game that gets released does so in a alpha worthy state. It's because games have become enermous to make. 3d modeling, optimization, multiplayer, tracking (like achievements) and many other factors have made games massive projects. Besides that, expectations have risen massively.

 

[ᛒᛖᚱᛋᛖᚱᚲ]

Nearly every game that gets released does so in a alpha worthy state. It's because games have become enermous to make. 3d modeling, optimization, multiplayer, tracking (like achievements) and many other factors have made games massive projects. Besides that, expectations have risen massively.

No excuse.

 

[szmik]

East v. West wasn't cancelled due to anything bad on PDS' end. All PDS did was up their standards on what quality a game needs to meet that the people slated to make the game failed to reach and didn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of meeting even with more time and money.

given the state Paradox releases its games in, it was surely disaster in the making

Regardless, I remain skeptic for any Cold War grand strategy game. It isn't straight wargame, it's more about politics, spies, coups, etc. aspects Paradox did poorly so far in their games. Heck, they can't make decent naval mechanics, and it would be quite important there too.