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Independet europe ??

Phillip V said:
I don't think such a conception or idea existed until the 19th or 20th century. :confused:
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yeah that idea wasnt present but the europe wasnt bee evry province independent soo no one is complaining so independent europe scenario is fiction and evryone is happy so make and 15 century yugoslavia and evryone weal be happy :D :D
 
Suggestions

Croatia get dalmatia as well, Slovenia gets steiermark(maybe krain), Macedonia gets macedonia(orthodox religion and slavonic culture), and bulgaria gets bulgaria and rumelia, with a cp on dobrudja. Montenegro get ragusa with othodox state and province religion, serbia gets banat with slavonic culture and orthodox religion.( they exiled the hungarians after the war) and there are mostly slavs from other countries there present.
 
Something like that ?

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I just edited the starting position, but it's rather easy to create a new country, and some fantaisist events in order to become it...
 
King of Balkans, Samuil (hey ;) ), Sayagh,and everyone interested!

Work on the 1200 Balkan MOD is JUST beginiing! We have just divided some work between us (Johny Cage, von Loch Ness/emotem, VPeric, Riddermark/Dunpeal, Dibo). We are looking for peaople willing to help! There will be at least 2 starting dates- 1200, 1337 and the scenario will not stop in 1419. So i think this is a good place for all of you :)


here's a link to a thread here, we havent posted much because we first had to arrange the details of the mod:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130539

and here's the forum where we have been discussing it, it's been in english for most of the time:
http://www.dragoneye.info/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=20

we will welcome everyone for the sake of Balkan might ;) :roll:

p.s. it wont just be some new countries and a bunch of fantasy events, we plan on making a whole fantasy history, with logic in it, and with lots of alternative ways to real history, which means basically we'll invent :)
 
Willing to help :)

Well, it`s been a long time since i last studied history, but ok, i`ll do my best to help with macedonian history during that period.. But i`d better be a field marshal or else :rofl: :D
 
Well, the balkan reneissance scenario won`t do

The point was creating a fantasy setting that includes current time balkans... the rest of europe is irrelevant :cool: . The original idea was to create a scenario where the balkan states could try to survive through an alliance , similar to former yugoslavia... A LOT of players from former yugoslavia would love to play it mp and sp, believe me... So it wasn`t like that 600 years ago? So what... Everybody does fantasy scenarios and nobody complains... All we want is a chance to play as our own countries...
 
Look kid here is some history lesson in the nighteenth century Your sweet combined Yougoslav asses were kicked three times by our "inferior" Bulgarian army and each time you had more troops than us. So what makes your country a world power - your stupidity.
And Krali Marko is a Bulgarian independent Feodal(As is his Father Uglesha) and he died fighting on the side of the Ottomans in the battle of Kosovo Pole(plains).
Furthermore there was no macedonian country at all it is just Yugoslavian(by the way that country didn't exist at that time either; it was created after WW2).
The ruling powers over the balkan peninsular were the Bizantians and the Bulgarians.(Here is a historical fact Ivan Alexander the II was the most powerful monarch in south eastern Europe and his capital was the BULGARIAN city of Turnovo;he ruled from 1218-1241 and you are talking about a scenario starting from 1227 with macedonian as heagemon of the balkans ??? You need a reality check boy and fast before you get all caught up in your pathetic web of proofless lies) and that is how it has been from 681 AD till 1396 AD.
About your unified yugoslavia(it was called Serbia in fact and it was ruled by Serbians and not ethnic Bulgarians from the macedonia region who are present themselves to the world as macedonians) at that time- it was in a state of struggle with the four remaining royal family members of the Serbian kingdom and one independent aristocrat. That was the reason why they fell to the Ottomans even before the weakened Bizantian empire.
P.S. Samuil is a Bulgarian Czar(that is equal to the title Emperor )and on his grave near the city of Ohrid it is written "Here lies Samuil the Czar of Bulgaria" but maybe it is written in Bulgarian and you can't understand it then if that is the case here is what I have to say to you:
Ebi si maikata kompleksarska, i pii edna studena voda shtoto pak shte si spal s Balgarka, dano pone niamash deca ta da im palnish glavite sas srabska propaganda
P.P.S.to "The king of the Balkans"
dear Mouron
There has never been a ruler called king of the balkans for they never have been truly unified. The only ruler after the roman period who has ever achieved conquering the Balkans is a the First Bulgarian Czar Simeon The Great and the Bizantium didn't deny his claim that he is the "Czar of all Bulgarians and Romei(means Bizantians)"(Serbia at that time was part of Bulgaria).
P.P.P.S. sayagh I saw the map and you should add an event that starts revolutions in most of the provinces, plus Dalmatia, Istria and Stelemark waren't part of Serbia country. Ragusa was a diffrent coutry and Kosovo had already been conquered by the Ottomans.
To make it more realistic you should remove all Ottoman provices east of except the one that has their capital(the turks were defeated by the mongolian armies in the battle of Ankara at 1402AD and after that until the period of 1420-1430 there was civil war in the Ottoman state between the three heirs to the throne Musa, Suleiman, Mehmed)
P.P.P.P.S.There is no such thing as macedonian history before 1903 AD as their current prime minister(was it Cervenkowski) said in an interview
 
Steve,

Calm down a bit, will ya :)
 
Steve_bg said:
P.P.P.P.S.There is no such thing as macedonian history before 1903 AD as their current prime minister(was it Cervenkowski) said in an interview
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Sure there were, just not as that state;) Philip and Alixanders Macedonia surely is a bit of history, thought the FYRO Macedonia is a toatally different thing:p

Then again, there is no doubt that things happened in that area, but it wasn't a Macedonian state there.:)
 
Mormegil said:
Sure there were, just not as that state;) Philip and Alixanders Macedonia surely is a bit of history, thought the FYRO Macedonia is a toatally different thing:p

Then again, there is no doubt that things happened in that area, but it wasn't a Macedonian state there.:)
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I think that you're right; those Macedonians at the time of Alexander The Great are much different from those nowadays, because the peole living in FYROM are Bulgarians and there are a lot of proofs but they still won't accept it.
Have you wondered why there were no Bulgarians present in the counting of the population. There were around 80% "Macedonians" 5% Serbians, some Albanians and Bosnians and Croatians but 0% Bulgarians. That's because anyone who tries to be a Bulgarian is thrown in jail, there are lots of cases of Bulgarian students who stayed 2 years in jail because they came from Sofia.
These so called Macedoians think of strange things; they say that the land to Plovdiv(in the middle of Bulgaria) is Macedonin, too, they also say that Vapcarov and Iavorov are Macedonian poets, but they've just fought for the returning of Bulgarian lands, which now are Macedoinia.
What would say about this???
 
Steve, steve....

Steve_bg said:
I think that you're right; those Macedonians at the time of Alexander The Great are much different from those nowadays, because the peole living in FYROM are Bulgarians and there are a lot of proofs but they still won't accept it.
Have you wondered why there were no Bulgarians present in the counting of the population. There were around 80% "Macedonians" 5% Serbians, some Albanians and Bosnians and Croatians but 0% Bulgarians. That's because anyone who tries to be a Bulgarian is thrown in jail, there are lots of cases of Bulgarian students who stayed 2 years in jail because they came from Sofia.
These so called Macedoians think of strange things; they say that the land to Plovdiv(in the middle of Bulgaria) is Macedonin, too, they also say that Vapcarov and Iavorov are Macedonian poets, but they've just fought for the returning of Bulgarian lands, which now are Macedoinia.
What would say about this???
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If I`m a Bulgarian, you`re a TATAR(MONGOL), cause there`s no way your megalomaniac culture is mine... And what`s with stealing other people`s cultures and histories? Yeah, bulgaria from Vladivostok to Lisabon? Some tatars(bulgars) even say jesus was a bulgar?. And this is for a fantasy scenario, no freaks allowed :D . If you continue to speak nonscence, i`ll recomend you a therapyst.. And one more thing... If you don`t want to HELP with the scenario, shut up and leave the thread. PS i didn`t even bother to read your long post above after i read the first scentence... One can easily see others intelect by the first few lines. PS didn`t bulgaria get beaten up like s..t in WWII???? One more thing... I am a slav that lives on the teritory on Macedonia-therefore Macedonian. You, a Tatar in Rumelia- Bulgar?
I am half Bulgarian myself, but people like you make me want to hate that part in me. We are all slavs and we live on different teritories, but some of us still live in the past.
 
OK, I really can't understand all this fighting between you. And I've noticed it in quite a few places, and not just here (and now). You are Macedonian if you're born in Macedonia, and Bulgarian if you're born in Bulgaria, mostly. Lets all just remind ourselves that the ancient Macedonia has nothing to do with this Macedonia. Macedonia is the state that become indenpendant the last, with the braking of Yugoslavia, right? Therefore, we come to the conclusion that real Macedonian history begins from about 1900 (1912 - isn't part of OE anymore).

Anyway, all this reminds me of a bulgarian... show? (emisija ;) ) about the national songs of the Balkan peoples. I won't get into disscussing which song is whose, for I am naturally biased toward Serbia, simply by being Serbian. Its important to note that each country claims a song as its own (Bulgaria, Albania, Bosnia, Serbia, Macedonia) and scorns when other nations claim it. From that example, we can clearly see that both of you (and any other Macedonian or Bulgarian) is biased towards his own country. Therefore, you can never come to an agreement. :D
 
of course bulgars came from Asia. unfortunately, driven by megalomanic interests, a lot of macedonians claim that they come from THE once great Macedonians :)

i'd just recommend more research (again, do you know anything about the plates discovered recently?) instead of a "therapyst", since i'm a serious person.

personally, the language is enough for me too judge about differences between today's macedonians and bulgarians :)

samo kato smenite udarenieto na dumite ne mojete da kajete che govorite drug ezik ;)

well, anyway, sorry to bother, i'll have to unsubscribe from this thread because it seems to be very tempting.


;)
 
Megalomaniac?

I never said that i derive from ancient macedonians... I specifically said that i`m a slav... And partly bulgarian i must add... A sto toa si razgovarate pojma nemam jasno?. If you knew the serb language better, you`d realize how much we have in common with them as well... Bottom line-all languages derive from oldslav language, so there are similarities... BUT THE POINT WAS MAKING A FANTASY SCENARIO BASED ON TODAYS BALKANS( ok, maybe 15 years ago balkans) WHY DOES EVERYONE HAVE TO MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT? IT WILL INCLUDE BULGARIA AS WELL!!! SEE THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD!.
Some people...
 
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