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von Loch Ness said:
ah well, anyway, i have no ime for modding ;)
and i dont see anything in your title ;)

i will not go on into discussing macedonia, or macedonian ;) you can do that for yourself
It`s ok, it was just an idea :). I don`t know why do bulgarians object to this proposal? Maybe they`re affraid of being annexed by the southernslav(yugoslavian) alliance? I bet it would be a damn personal mp game if its ever created :D . But the countries should be balanced and they should have cores on all slav provinces, maybe an event of creating Slavia or Southern Slavia if one owns more than 50% of slavonic provinces..
PS macedonia Slavonic culture, Solun capital. Ragusa Orthodox(Montenegro),
Banat slavonic&orthodox- the magyars left after it was conquered, or it could be made in an event if anyone conquers it... Staiermark or krain- slovenia... It would be a heck of a good scenario... Tried to create it , but having problems with monarchs, leaders, AI ad other stuff, as i have little time to do that, i have exams... One last thing- Dobrudja should be Romanian, as it is a part of Romania. An event could also be added if a Slav country conquers Thrace as the event in case of OE conquering it... Like creating a new empire or something like that... And it`s a FANTASY scenario, so noone should be offended by it. Spoken with a lot of albanians- they all want cores on kosovo, macedonia, hellas and ragusa... Go figure? Could anyone please make such a scenario?
 
Yugoslavia

hey u bulgarian idiot ass are u realy that stupid ??
someting bulgarians kicking yugoslav asses ??
okay let me tell u someting all the time in history u vere a part of a foreign country !!! orr at ur top a vassal so now ur kicking someons asses let me remind u what was yugoslavia in 1980 it was 4 european military force soo shut up and hide ur self in a corner i can tell u that history of yugoslav republicks (croatia slovenia bosnia serbia macedonia) was much more glorious than urs let me reming u that alexander the great had an empire from balkan to india and let me remind u someting else ur country was on nazi side in ww2 so now WHO IS THE LOOSER :D :D :D yugoslavia had famous partizans so shut the hell up :D :cool:
 
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hello i am making a mod that hase yugoslavia (3 country allied and vassals of serbia (more centrlysed because off vassalisation of serbia) anyway i am not a big lower of serbia but when there is mutual alliance royal marrigae some country hase to be a leader soo i choose serbia ) some cores are outside like banat and istria but ..... where diplomacy ends war begins) i think this scenario weal be good ! :)
 
King of Balkans said:
alexander the great had an empire from balkan to india and let me remind u someting else ur country was on nazi side in ww2

Alexander the Great was a Macedonian, as in Greek-Macedonian. Macedonia is really a place in Greece, the name of the FYRO Macedonia is taken from that. So the real Macedonia is the part in Greece, FYROM is plagialized;):p

Also, that the Bulgarians supported the Nazi's doesn't say much about them, it's as stupid as mocking Yugoslavia for being communists. Most people does hate the Nazi's for their belief's, but they believe one thing, and I respect that. Thought it doesn't mean I like what they did. Same way with communists, people using communist as an insult is one of those narrow-minded people that hasn't understood that.;)
It's a free world, and everyone is allowed to believe exactly what they want to.

As to the allience with Germany, it was a strategical alliance, it doesn't mean that Bulgarians were Nazi's. In that case, he's a Nazi and you a communist.:rolleyes:;)

Also, you don't need to attack him like that, mock Bulgaria if you'd like, but try not to hang out people like that.:)
 
Now here is the person who wrote steve's first post in this thread: ME
About the wars between bulgariaq and Sebia
1 1885 The serbian army attacks Bulgaria (this is provoked by the Austrian Empire and this starts the hatred between uor two nations) and our troops reache the outskirts of belgrad and Serbia seud for peace.
2 1913 After the anty osman coalition separets Grece and Serbia attack Bulgaria; we retaliate and penatrate deep into enemy territory but Romania joins the fight and we pull back stop them then surround three Serbian and Greek armies and peace is signed.
3 1915-1918 A 300000 bulgarian army attacks Serbia , the army of the Serbs is more than three times bigger but is beaten and serbia falls(around 200000 serbian troops escape through Dalmatia and are then transported to Thesaloniki ) During WWI the casualties the Bulgarian Army inflicts on Serbia are around 1000000
4 During WW2 the only time Bulgarian troops fought on Serbian ground was when they were part of the 3rd Ukrainian front and it was due to their efforts that the flanking attack of the germans failed to brake the russian front and turn the war. It was centered at the area of the 16 Blgarian division and it outnumbered us greatly. the regiments that held tnhose sectors last most of their personal(notably the 30th regiment which last around 70% of its men defending Serbian Ground) but didn't brake, also our forces where instrumental in the Russian assult that followed (they were the ones who broke the enemy lines)
5 In the eighties we had according to the reports of our intel(i got some friends up there) around 5000 tanks active and another 5000 in storage (more than what England has now) more than half of them T-80 and T-72 the others T-55(a heavily modified version of the T-54 that has a far better performance) and we are the only contry on the Balkans that has Factories for all types of war machines, ammo and personal weapons. If a war started the Russians would give us the go to start manufacturing everything from an AK-47 to a MIG-29 so that makes us a power by the sheer number of mechanized units and ammo.
And Yugoslavia wasn't communist niether was Bulgarian nazi(rememmber no Bulgarian jew was sent to a death camp)
What I want to say about the topic is that a unity in the Balkans is impossible there is just too much needles hatred amongst all of us.
And about Bulgarians being TATARS:
WRONG TATARS come from the far eastern part of Russia(north of China) and Bulgarians come from the area that now is Afganistan and Pakistan. Also research has shown that we are very clsely related to the german race group and we have little in comon with the Tatar .
Another thing are you a rasist because Tatars aren't bad people and they might have something against your attitude, plus rasizm is persecuted by the international law.
About the macedonian history- there is a history of the tribe Iliri that formed a country around there but it ends with the roman invasion and the battles of king Pir.
 
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hmm... this thread seems to attract a lot of first time posters ^_^ Just a friendly note to everyone: your arguments sound a _lot_ better when they are properly formated and spelled. :)

Bulgarians come from the area that now is Afganistan and Pakistan.

OK, if that isn't Tatar, what "nationality" you were/are?? I admit I know little of Bulgarian history, but my mothers side of the family lives near Bulgaria (Dimitrovgrad) and they are really familiar with Bulgarians, because that area (AFAIK) was part of Bulgaria untill some war (WWII?).

I really can't understand all that hatred. I, personally, have no problems. You seem to like to fight with everyone ;) :p (first Macedonia, they Yugo ;) ).

King of Balkans - You do realize that these Macedonias have nothing to do with Alexandar the Great?
 
As far as I know we are Bulgarians and in the northern part of our country there are still some areas that have pure bulgarians(my dad is from such a place) and it is estimated that the bulgarians were almost as much as the slavs when Isperih/Asparuh(the first kan-(in bulgarian it is kan the k is heard clearly and not han or khan) who settled in these lands ) and the first battle he fought was actually in the open with the Bulgarian heavy cavalry(the Kan's elite force) being around 15000 and the rest of the army made up from the wight and medium cavalry formed from the remeinder of the male Bulgarians. This force was enough to stop the Bizantium army numbering more than 60000 men so it is evident that the woriors sere more than 45-50000 and that the Bulgarians who crossed the Dunab were around 300000 or even more.
Another group of Bulgarians(2-3 tribes around 150000-200000) settled in the area known as macedonia these days and there they became part of the Bizantium empire along with the same number of slavs living there at that time. And they have been there all this time.
So I think that if I say that I'm Bulgarian it would be enough.
And about the scenario- drop it it is impossible to have such a thing each group wants something and doesn't listen to the other. That is the way things are here on the Balkans.
 
5000 tanks and 5000 in storage lol

hahahahha 5000 thanks maybe u take all cars in ur country ass "tanks" anyway bulgaria was under iron curtain and non of those 5000 better sayed 500 tanks were bulgaria but donations by russians ....
anyway yugoslavia had all posible factories from weapons and YNA (yugoslavian army) had improved versions of ak-47 called "srpkinja" soo shut up and let me remind u because of tito evry citizen of yugoslavia was in military reserve (that was the law) evry building higher than 8 floors had shelter for artilery shelling under and Tito lived in dangerous times because he wasnt on the side of russia or usa rather in the middle thats why he developed 4th european military force for security from foreign invasion anyway bulgaria didnt hawe about 1/5 of yougoslavian tanks and 1/9 of regular army (didnt count reservs)sooo...... dont spread bullshit that bulgaria had more tanks than uk today because u had like 800 tanks and 1/3 of that didnt work all operational tanks were donated by usssr soo shut the hell up ..........

ps: AHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH :D :D
 
King of Balkans - yes, Tito did take loans from both Russia and USA, and he did play both sides... however, he also made too much debts, because his motto was something like: Who cares how people will live in a hundread years... its important I live nice. Therefore, we _still_ have to pay off his debts.
 
The Bulgarian Army has beaten you in three wars, you are asking for a forth ass wooping ???
What comes around goes around .
Rememmeber the crissis with the alban rebels, the ones both macedonian and serbian army couldn't stop. Well they aren't here any more, ever wandered why? Let me tell you a Bulgarian Grad(The Russina versions of the MLRS are nicknamed that way) batery went there and cleared the entire area.
About military training:
My dad served in the 30th Black Regiment(they liberated Belgrad not TITO) for two years and the terainig was so hard that by the end around 10% of the troopers were listed as casualties and during the period 1972-1973 he slept with an armed AK-47 in his hands, how is that kid, and now he is 50 but can do push ups all day and he hasn't trained since military school. The Bulgarian soldier is considered even by Britan as one of the thoughest around. The usual was to go out of camp and spend a couple of days in the open without any food or sleep , or how about this return to the base on foot. Hey no problem it's just sixteen km away and we have to do it in 4 hours without aq break. That's some of the stuff that our troops did.
About the reserve well if dad hadn't been to surgary before ten years he would still be part of it, and I have seen him with an AK or any gun (tey gave him a sig sauer reasently and he disolved it oiled it and put it togheter in record time and that was the first time he had seen the gun) he doesn't miss and that was nominal in the army.
About the tanks we officialy destroyed 4500 T-55(sorry it is too late for your "glorius army" to buy one and finaly have three) and still we have an active force of 3000 T-72 and T-80 . And no one knows how much in cold storage . And might I ask you why is Bulgaria in NATO and not Serbia, another question why didn't we have armies against your boarder during the period 1960-1990 . Because you can't find snow in a blizzard all by yourself. Questoin number 2 why are the armies of NATO aimed against us during the cold war and not against you? Here is the third question if you were so strong why didn't "the great Tito" order an attack. Because we would reach Nish in less than a month(happend twice). Yugoslav army what's that, some joke? Do you know why no Bulgarian city was ever fortified? Because there was never a chance that anyone would get close enough to assult it. Then why are your cities fortified because someone was afraid we would raze them if we wish.

P.S. Nost countries that used the AK-47 had their desings that was the unique feature of the gun it could be used by any country in the world I think the best variant is reserved for the Russian airborne divisions
P.P.S.Didn't I tell you that the Balkan nations hate each other so lets forget this scenario.
 
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Why do you all care so much? What does it matter?

(Maybe this can get them attacking me instead of each other?)
 
Maybe you could answer that question seriously. I'm supposed to be studying Nationalism at the moment; this thread is a fascinating primary source :)
 
Some imagination :)

NATO wasn`t pointed at us because we were not part of the warshaw pact, but you never knew that, of course... Yugoslavia had the third stronges army in europe, but you didn`t know that... Germany defeated Yugoslavia, not Bulgaria,Italy even conquered western macedonia, because the bulgarians couldn`t ocupy such a small space that was without resistance since germany already defeated the army, but you didn`t know that... Every grandfather or father tells fantastic stories(even mine), but you didn`t know that.... Seems to me you know nothing? My father can shoot an ak-47, so Bulgaria is the strongest country in the world? It can even conquer asia in one month :).. You know, all my friends play counter-strike, so maybe we`re the strongest nation :)). Just shut up, noone is asking you for your ignorant opinion, and this is a fantasy scenario, and since you all bulgars have tons of imagination(sometimes sick imagination), you above all should know what a fantasy scenario means...
PS i am part bulgarian, but your propaganda has really gotten to you... The informbiro must have brainwashed you
PS Mojot kur e pogolem od tvojot mozok(MOJ KURAC JE VECI OD TVOGA MOZGA)
 
The answer :)

wryun said:
Maybe you could answer that question seriously. I'm supposed to be studying Nationalism at the moment; this thread is a fascinating primary source :)
I don`t care at all as long as i am left alone, but Bulgarians have a sindrom of low value and to overcome it they teach their children that bulgaria is from vladivostok to lisboa, they even say that Jesus was a bulgar... I`ve also seen a book that says Alexander the great was bulgar...
They starded the quarel, nobody offended them in any way... Plus they steal other nations histories... Emperor Samuil- the capital city Ohrid is in south western macedonia, near the border with albania, far from bulgaria.. His decisive battle took place near strumica, in macedonia, but they say he was Bulgar????? One fact: He was a slav for sure.. But bulgarian? Don`t make me laugh... The next thing you know they`ll be saying that St.Kiril&Metodij, the people that gave the slavs an alphabet were bulgarians... Hello, they were greeks...
So they keep bringing these stupid issues up and quarel for nothing?
Does a normal man do that? I mean, come on, i`m surfing the net and have nothing better to do, so i`ll juste tell some bulgarian that he is a TATAR(MONGOL) and then a fight....? We should all get along because we are slav nations that are as close as can be, but ask them? Everywhere i go, the same stupid arguments....
PS I`m part Macedonian part Bulgarian, so i`m looking at things from a neutral point of view,unlike some people.. Wouldn`t it offend you if someone told you that you were some other nationality? :confused:
 
One more thing

delfo said:
Another group of Bulgarians(2-3 tribes around 150000-200000) settled in the area known as macedonia these days and there they became part of the Bizantium empire along with the same number of slavs living there at that time. And they have been there all this time.

Hello, we are slavs, not mongols. And i have nothing against tatars, but bulgars get offended when you tell them that the same way i get offended when they say i`m bulgar... Let me tell you a story that my grandfather told me, that his grandfather told him, his grandfather to him and so on... My people are slavs and they came here from behind the donau river... They payed the byzantines a bag of gold in exchange for a permission to found a settlement under the Skopska Crna Gora mountain... SO, regardless of any propaganda, this story has been passed on from generation to generation. So you see, I know what i am- a slav, as well as more than 60% of the population. SO you can drop it, there is no bulgar history in me apart of my grandmother who was born near targoviste and later moved to skopje, who my grandfather mariied after WWII. So, my friend, there may even be some bulgars here, but they were asimilated bu slavs since they outnumbered them by far. And the scenario is exactly what we need, cooperation. A union of slavs that almost happened after WWII. There was an idea of a confederation- the yugoslav republics with bulgaria, a true slav state, but unfortunately stalin didn`t like the idea and executed your president GEORGI DIMITROV. He recognised the macedonians as a nation. Check with your history book. The point is, instead of arguing we should work together, and that is exactly what this scenario is all about... Give all countries a core on all slav provinces and make them allies... From there, who knows? Maybe an event of unification into Slav Empire? Who knows? PUT THE HATRED ASIDE, WE ARE ALL BROTHERS, ONE NATION- SLAVS. There are more than one slav state now and that is a problem, everyone has it`s own propaganda that makes them hate the others... I say that is because somone from the outside sought to make the slavs fight eachother, a unified slav state would be far too powerful and it would have a great strategic location... It is much easier to rule us from the outside when we are divided... Think about it. I hate no one, especially not slavs... I love bulgars, serbs, bosnians, croats, slovenians, checzs, slovaks, ukranians, russians, poles and belarussians... Not that is what should be unified, and that is what we all should want to be unified..., not nato, not anything else... First slavs, than EU, than NATO.
 
Bulgarians are offended by being called Tatars because the Russian government called the bulgarians who had country on the upper Volga Tatars so that the Russians can deny them their rights(which they have thus far, and they speak a similar language to ours) and we are considered by the world as Indo-Europeans and the lattest researches point out that we are Arian. we come from an area that is located some couple of thousand km from the place mongols originated(Mongolia and the Russian far east).
Here are the three wars
The war from 1885 (peace was signed by Bulgaria and England ???? we reached Novisat I think ) a war started to "Punish" the Bulgarian nation because it united - a just cause as you might say
The war from 1913 the Serbs and Greek started it after being our allies but we stoped them and we would have won if Romania hadn't interfiered
WW1 The Bulgarian Army completely ocupied Serbia
Three wars how is that
Another thing about WW2 bulgarian troops never fought while we were an axis ally and when the russians crossed the Dunab the order was not to shoot at them, also Bulgaria had a secret traty with England at that time.

I knew Yugoslavia wasn't a part of the Warshaw pact Tito allied himself with Kadafi and the Egiptian leader(I can't rememmber the name) forming a union
About my dad - I was giving an example of the military training we had at that period
On the grave of SAMUIL it is writen in bulgarian: Тук почива Самуил син на комит Никола и самодържец на българите
And here is what the Bizantian historian Iuoan Skilitza says: "Ohrid was the capitol of Bulgaria, there rose the castles of the Bulgarian tzars ..."(Four Tzars here are their names Roman son Peter the I, Samuil ,his Gavril Radomir and the cousin of Gavril Ivan Vladislav)
Why don't you read before saying something and this by a Bizantian author not by Bulgarian
Raed a bit of Bizantian History there it's written that the area was guarded by Bulgarian Federats(it means they pay lower or no taxes in return they fight for the empire) of Bizantizia.
And to tell you the truth friend I'm only half slav as are you or to be percise about 60% slav. The other 40% are Bulgarian and that is where our darker hairs and eyes come. The serbs get theirs from tthe mixing of Majar(Hungarian) features .
Another thing I don't want any conquest or gain in lands for my country but I honour our history and here is an info Budapesht was created by two nations: The Franc empire an the Bulgarian Kan around the middle of the 9th century. The Fancs build Buda and The Bulgarians build Peshta but now these lands belong to tthe Hungarians and if anyone even thinks of taking them from Hungary and the its people he'll have me to deal with. Lands belong to the peoples who inhabit them. And the glory of the Bulgarian tzars is now history if I want Bulgaria to be strong I'll have to work for that
But enough of talk against each other yeap you are right we are brothers on the Balkans we are all related but the Hatred is here to stay and it has been enforced by the fear that the European coutries have from a strong unified country on the Balkans.
 
Delfo, please stop talking nonsense like Bojidar Dimitrov :rolleyes:
Samuil, I can understand the desire of your people to have their own history. However inventing history through stealing other nations' history is not the right way to do it.
King of Balkans - no comment. Both you and Delfo are alike.
 
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