Broken Dev regrets

[Septimus the Merciful]

For the Hellenism, I do wonder if that was a matter of one dev thinking it was a bad idea in CK2, but then leaving the team and being replaced by someone who didn't think it was a bad idea. (For the record, I agree that it was a bad idea.)

I don't even think it was that. The player base wanted it. I distinctly remember posts on this very forum and Reddit complaining about how hard it was to revive Hellenism. The devs caved to the demands of the players. I'm not saying it was a majority, but the uproar was loud enough to where I understand why they added it.

For the record, I also agree it was a bad idea and hate how every other post on Reddit is someone showing off their Hellenist Roman empire.

 

[tribnia]

AI tendency could easily be tweaked to make them satisfied as a relatively peaceful trader on border, receiving the peace deals offered by sedentary neighbors. But that won't satisfy most players I guess.

 

[Benismann]

I just hope if they make the nomads "too easy" that they don't come back a few updates later with a killjoy solution like 'endless plagues and rebellions' which is what they did for the Romans, and it ruined it.

They literally added an option without "hardmode" in the last update.... Not to mention you can just not click the options and convert manually instead, which is prob way more fun since you'll get your whole empire revolting against you

 

[ShepherdOfCats]

They literally added an option without "hardmode" in the last update.... Not to mention you can just not click the options and convert manually instead, which is prob way more fun since you'll get your whole empire revolting against you

Didn't see that in the options. I'll give it another look. Might be worth trying again.

The all-populist, empire-wide revolts didn't bother me that much. It was a great way to level up my accolades.

Having overlapping plagues that started as soon as the last one ended and took the capital of Rome all the way down to 0 development was just . . . spiteful. Then of course, seeing the plagues completely stop once the Mongols kicked me out was rage-inducing as well.

Point being: If they make nomads too easy, I hope the devs don't drop a nuke to fix it.

 

[maxk94]

IDK. The Emperor that just restored the Roman Empire?

The idea of Restorate the Roman Empire as the Roman Empire is silly too, btw.

 

[BoomKidneyShot]

Yeah, no. Orthodoxy was actually central to how the Byzantines viewed themselves. Even at the very end of the empire when embracing the Catholic view of Christianity could have brought them some aid they stuck with Orthodoxy. It was core to who they were.

Hellenism is silly nonsense and nothing more.

Which isn't to say that there weren't people in the Empire who were still worshipping the Greek Pantheon (in some form or another) in the 867 start-date (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maniots), but they lived on an isolated peninsula, and couldn't effect things too much even if they wanted to.

 

[raistlin_wizard]

Restoring Rome was much harder in CK2. I remember one of the (few) ways to convert to hellenism was to be at a hellenic holy site and get a completely random event *if you were a lunatic* to convert to hellenism.

I just hope if they make the nomads "too easy" that they don't come back a few updates later with a killjoy solution like 'endless plagues and rebellions' which is what they did for the Romans, and it ruined it.

You still can convert to Hellenism the regular way without much dificulty.

Before legends and RtP, reforming Rome could be a challenge. But now, it is super easy, barely an inconvenience.

The way to get Adoptionism is cool. It is just a shame the conditions to unlock it are super strict, time limited, and region locked. Seeing as reviving Hellenism is a major player fantasy, reviving in a way similar to but less strict than Adoptionism could be a good way to unlock. At least, better than the option added in RtP.

Having other religions work in similar ways as Adoptionism would be amazing. That's similar to how CK2 did Hellenism, and was way better than CK3.

The idea of Restorate the Roman Empire as the Roman Empire is silly too, btw.

The idea is not just "restoring" Rome. Is getting aknowledged as Rome by everyone else, not just the "Empire of the Greeks".

 

[klopkr]

The idea of Restorate the Roman Empire as the Roman Empire is silly too, btw

Sure. Though Justinian basically achieved all it takes to do it in this game.

 

[apollo1989vieten]

Sure. Though Justinian basically achieved all it takes to it in this game.

I think Alexios I also had ambitions to see it done. At the very least, he wanted to roll back the Seljuk conquests of Anatolia.

One thing that I think the game does not do well is the consolidation phase. If you expand too quickly, then problems will break out.