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Not in the sense that it'll stop us from possibly focusing on that area in the future, no.
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I believe one of you devs said that was the case in a past post, but it is nice to see you reconfirm that the community dlcs don't deconfirm content for those areas in future dlcs.
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Yo yo yo , MC corporate suck up on the house ! You guys are doing total pointless talk yeah , devs may but they still do dev, I’m not very good at doing rap yeah . Not but seriously the ultimate question is is if the game is enjoyable or not , and I think it is sure it can get very annoying at times but it’s a unique project , and let’s be real we don’t really have a choice . So let’s get our mouths open and get ready to receive a portion of quality content in less than a month yeah! MC corporate suck up , out !
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I mean to be fair Michael, John and Constantine Palaiologos became Byzantine Catholics. The last Roman Emperor died a Catholic. But I agree with what you’re saying specifically here. The Byzantine Empire was barely more than a city state and still the Emperor couldn’t impose support for submission to Catholicism over his realm
The Varangians were already primarily Christian by 1066 and did not exist as a unit in 867. Besides history showed us that one 1. They could betray the emperor to another faction and 2. The populace of Constantinople and Byzantine army could overwhelm them or they wait out the mess so they are a non factor.
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Yo yo yo homie I have no info on whether the Varangian’s existed in Byzantium in 867 but I can attest to that they did exist in the land of the rus and were pagan. Moreover by the 911 when Oleg stormed Constantinople a treaty they did sign and by it pagan merchants had n Byzantium privileges did get .
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If hellenic paganism was revived it would be a neoplatonic version in the same vein as the one of Pletho.The CK3 version should be similar.
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I have read than Varangians did serve the empire before the establishment of the guard, though their service capacity was low so there impact to change things was pretty non existent.
Oh yeah I remember that, it was so ridiculous. Remember the whole "Half the Khans in the Steppe want to marry my mother" thing? It was ridiculous to play a realm and suddenly, ten smelly steppe chiefs want my mother's hand in marriage.
No, Khan Randomsid, I don't want to marry my mother to you and your lousy hundred horse archer military. Go back to your yurt, stop bothering me, cut down on the fermented goat milk and stop raiding my territory every six months. This is Zoroastrian Persia, I have like x10 your army in troops. You don't "out-rank" me, you stink, you are uncivilized, and you live in a yurt. Please leave.
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If the problem was everyone on the steppe viewed themselves as an emperor, then it seems that problem is fixed. If the ai has occasional or more attempts at becoming the GOAT Khan, that is a big problem. In fact, having GOAT Khan attempt should be pretty rare for the AI. Of course, it still leads to the whole gameplay loop being a race to make a GOAT Khan attempt, something the floor plan dev diary suggested that steppe dlc should be much more then. But maybe getting the steppe beyond just becoming GOAT Khan requires the China map expansion.
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Other than conquest, the other important part of the steppe is trade which would need both China and whatever the devs decide trade mechanics should be presented as. But, trade is still going to tie into aiming for the Great Khan because steppe rulers used trade to acquire, reward, and retain followers. Sorry, but the Great Khan is a core part of the steppe political system, it why keep seeing reappear through history.
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I don’t think any steppe polity made an attempt to conquer the entire steppe between the fall of the GoTürks and the rise of the Mongols. So, becoming GOAT Khan is still too much of a focus of the DLC.
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It's one of the most dramatic events in world history, it affected huge swaths of the map beyond the steppes, and it happened right in the game's timeline - I think it's fine to give it a spotlight in this dlc.
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It’s fine to give it an update. But if it happens too easily and too early, then there are some problems. I would rather have the invasion not take place until around 1200 the vast majority of the time, with a Mongol being the GOAT Khan most of the time, for AI at least. I would also like it if the gameplay loop had more to it than becoming the GOAT Khan.
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I mean, everything in this game "happens too easily and too early," its like a fundamental problem with the game.
Ironically, the devs could kind of simulate this with the fertility system. One of the reasons why the Mongol invasions happened when they is did is because it was towards the end of the Medieval Warm Period and thus more of steppe was available and usable for the nomads which meant more nomads. They could tie a specific level overall fertility to steppe in order for the Become Greatest Khan decision.
If you think what the devs have already showed off is only used in service to becoming the Great Khan then I don't think anything is going to be sufficient for you.
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I mean, even trying to convert the empire to Iconoclasm was a failure. And those attempts were, in many cases, top down attempts to do so.
Given the history of Christianization in some parts of Europe, it would be erroneous to assume that the big monotheistic faiths of the Middle Ages absolutely blocked the adoption of other, older faiths. But even Pletho's ideas of praying to Greek gods wasn't the same as "I pray to Zeus because Zeus is a god that meddles in mortal affairs" and more like "Zeus is an example of universal principles and should be interacted with as such."
It would be really bizarre for a Byzantine emperor to even take up the worship of the polytheistic faith of the Greeks in the same way they did in the Classical period. I could see someone either pretending to do so in a cynical "Look at me, I'm pretending to be descended from the Greek gods like Alexander the Great!" kind of way, or doing it in a "Sure, we're calling this Hellenism or whatever, but it's really a kind of Platonic/Aristotelian splinter of our prior faith that is closer to embracing Lollardy or Hussitism as a proto-Protestant movement rather than anything that actually resembles the way they did things in 400 BCE."
And even then, I'd assume it would be some ridiculously difficult climb to some semblance of "Wow, my new religion has actually taken root in both political elite circles and among the common people."
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The players can do things earlier than the happened irl. The ai, not so much.
They talked about wanting to have the steppe be more than just becoming Ghenghis. Nothing I see changes the gameplay loop of becoming Ghenghis. The new hunt and feasts flavor are just used to bring people in line.
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I mean, legitimately, what else could the devs add for the Steppe that doesn’t have the ultimate end result of either conquest or grazing/migrating? Like, I can’t think of anything else there would be to do as a nomad that would be engaging for the player.
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