Mussolini makes the trains run on time in Italy? Who will do the same for the United States?
Borne from chance events and twists of fate, you could (eventually) see the mighty United States fall under the boot of facism as rich industrialists and idealistic personalities aspire to the economic success of mid-30s fascism - by plotting to overthrow the United States government.
As unbalanced as it was, I was interested in having a US ally for a Germany game. But, being the history nut I am, I wasn't really content with the simplistic coup options available (even with the hefty 1-3% coup chance). I feel without some well-orchestrated political manuevering or civil war (however widespread), it was 100% unlikely that a German coup attempt would be able to install the likes of Fritz Kuhn and Pelley. Then I found that orchestrating a civil war that lasts more than a few months can be difficult (I've managed to get it to about 1.5 years).
So on and off over the last few days I've been researching and modding a somewhat realistic Business Plot for the US, which plausibly (to the extent possible) builds off the economic and political situation in the United States between 1933 and 1939.
I do have a majority of the events coded already, but they probably need some tweaking and testing (as unlikely as it is for one of the plot avenues to succeed as is) - once I finish the chain.
As it stands, I've run into a decision-making wall, mostly because I wanted to keep the "mod" as portable as possible, but I'm not sure what people would like to see
1. Is it enough to use the CSA to represent a Second Civil War? The way I have it set up now the couped US reverts to democracy and the CSA becomes the fascist revolters, just because the US had more available ministers to work with. Or should I take the time to create a country.
2. Would it be worth it to make a full-fledged mini-mod with ministers, event pictures and decision pictures? I'd have to find somewhere to host the files (instead of just 20kb of text). As it stands now, all you'd need is the text (and the strings for the event descriptions, since the in-line character limit is too small). This could include some ai switches to stop the US from creating province improvements during a civil war.
For a sample of what I have right now:
There will be two avenues to getting the fascists in power (other avenues will lead the US more socialist or just much more isolationist or follow the historical path):
(the more unrealistic option)
1. Roosevelt administration uses force to subdue the Bonus Army (like Hoover/MacArthur)
2. Plotters recruit Smedley Butler
[3. Constant industrialist rhetoric and economic downturns hamper New Deal support]
4. Butler is assassinated and used as a martyr to get veteran support to overthrow the government
5. The coup is semi-successful and there's civil war; the coup is defeated
(the slightly more likely option for historical plausibility)
1. Plotters recruit an alternate leader (MacNider, for example); or Butler is picked and then assassinated before testifying
2. American Liberty League is officially headed by a prominent industrialist that denounces New Deal Policies or New Deal recovery is slow and denounced by industrialists publically
3. Huey Long is not assassinated and uses his Share Our Wealth platform to run a Presidential candidate [basically a 10% chance of this happening by itself]
4. Roosevelt is obligated to run an alternative VP candidate
5. 1937 recession and constant rhetoric by prominent industrialists lowers public opinion of Roosevelt, providing an environment for the coup
6. The coup is semi-successful and there's civil war; the coup is defeated
And if the fascist/paternal autocrat (probably nominally still "democratic", just not in game terms) USA may intervene for Germany (embargo the allies or join the war), or remain isolationist.
As a side effect, the chain should help better model the fragility of the US economic situation and the difficulty of recovery (particularly the fact the 1937/8 recession is missing). I'd expect the US to not field quite as much IC overall (probably closer to 500-550 instead of 600 by late 1940), even if the coup never comes close to succeeding.
[edit] I should point out that I'm using NWO, but could conceivably mod it to fit just basic DH.
Borne from chance events and twists of fate, you could (eventually) see the mighty United States fall under the boot of facism as rich industrialists and idealistic personalities aspire to the economic success of mid-30s fascism - by plotting to overthrow the United States government.
As unbalanced as it was, I was interested in having a US ally for a Germany game. But, being the history nut I am, I wasn't really content with the simplistic coup options available (even with the hefty 1-3% coup chance). I feel without some well-orchestrated political manuevering or civil war (however widespread), it was 100% unlikely that a German coup attempt would be able to install the likes of Fritz Kuhn and Pelley. Then I found that orchestrating a civil war that lasts more than a few months can be difficult (I've managed to get it to about 1.5 years).
So on and off over the last few days I've been researching and modding a somewhat realistic Business Plot for the US, which plausibly (to the extent possible) builds off the economic and political situation in the United States between 1933 and 1939.
I do have a majority of the events coded already, but they probably need some tweaking and testing (as unlikely as it is for one of the plot avenues to succeed as is) - once I finish the chain.
As it stands, I've run into a decision-making wall, mostly because I wanted to keep the "mod" as portable as possible, but I'm not sure what people would like to see
1. Is it enough to use the CSA to represent a Second Civil War? The way I have it set up now the couped US reverts to democracy and the CSA becomes the fascist revolters, just because the US had more available ministers to work with. Or should I take the time to create a country.
2. Would it be worth it to make a full-fledged mini-mod with ministers, event pictures and decision pictures? I'd have to find somewhere to host the files (instead of just 20kb of text). As it stands now, all you'd need is the text (and the strings for the event descriptions, since the in-line character limit is too small). This could include some ai switches to stop the US from creating province improvements during a civil war.
For a sample of what I have right now:
Code:
# BUSINESS PLOT EVENTS
# 1100280 - USA Gold Standard
# 1100281 - USA [decision] Bonus Army
# 1100282 - USA Bonus Army - waited (no decision in 1100281)
# 1100283 - USA Financial Disarray
# 1100284 - USA Financial Recovery I - historical recovery (sleeps 1100285)
# 1100285 - USA Financial Recovery II - late recovery (sleeps 1100284)
# 1100286 - USA Business Moguls [80% Butler is chosen, historical]
# 1100287 - USA Butler to testify [does not happen if veterans are not helped]
# 1100288 - *** [decision] Butler Assassination financing (for main fascist players)
# 1100289 - USA Butler testifies to committee
# 1100290 - USA Butler assassinated [5% default, higher with 1100288 intervention]
# 1100291 - USA American Liberty League [80% chance of less prominent leader, historical]
# 1100292 - USA Conspirators Indicted [ends chance of self-coup]
# 1100293 - USA Huey Long assassination attempt [90% chance Long is killed, historical]
# 1100294 - USA Democratic VP candidate [90% chance of Davis]
# 1100295 - USA Alternate 1936 election, FDR+Davis [95% Democratic Victory] - sleeps both PI/DH election events
# 1100296 - USA Alternate 1936 election, FDR+Garner [50% Democratic Victory]
#
# 1100304 - USA Death of Davis [Davis expires in 1936, despite living until 1955] *Event only exists due to minister dates*
# 1100306 - USA Recession of 1937 [lessened effects if Bonus Army was paid out before; requires Second New Deal]
# 1100307 - USA Recession of 1937 recovery
#
# FLAGS
#
# local flag - USABonusArmyHistorical - Roosevelt offers jobs
# local flag - USABonusArmySocialist - Roosevelt pays out reimbursement
# local flag - USABonusArmyForcedOut - Roosevelt follows Hoovers example and uses military force
# local flag - USABonusArmyWaitedOut - Roosevelt/PC/AI does nothing.
#
# local flag = USACoupRepButler - historical Business Plot; Butler
# local flag = USACoupRepDuPont - alternative backer; MacNider/MacArthur
# flag = ButlerAssassinationPlot - plot to asssinate Smedley Butler
# local flag = ButlerAssassinationPlotter - tag the plotter
# local flag = USACoupButlerTestimonySubmitted - Butler has testified
# local flag = USA_ALLDuPontHead - Industrialists take active role in the league
# local flag = USA_ALLAnonymousBackers - historical ALL
# local flag = USA_LongSurvives - Huey Long survives assassination attempt
# local flag = USACoupDavisVP - Davis as Democratic VP candidate
# local flag = USALongGarnerVP - Garner remains VP candidate and Long is aliveThere will be two avenues to getting the fascists in power (other avenues will lead the US more socialist or just much more isolationist or follow the historical path):
(the more unrealistic option)
1. Roosevelt administration uses force to subdue the Bonus Army (like Hoover/MacArthur)
2. Plotters recruit Smedley Butler
[3. Constant industrialist rhetoric and economic downturns hamper New Deal support]
4. Butler is assassinated and used as a martyr to get veteran support to overthrow the government
5. The coup is semi-successful and there's civil war; the coup is defeated
(the slightly more likely option for historical plausibility)
1. Plotters recruit an alternate leader (MacNider, for example); or Butler is picked and then assassinated before testifying
2. American Liberty League is officially headed by a prominent industrialist that denounces New Deal Policies or New Deal recovery is slow and denounced by industrialists publically
3. Huey Long is not assassinated and uses his Share Our Wealth platform to run a Presidential candidate [basically a 10% chance of this happening by itself]
4. Roosevelt is obligated to run an alternative VP candidate
5. 1937 recession and constant rhetoric by prominent industrialists lowers public opinion of Roosevelt, providing an environment for the coup
6. The coup is semi-successful and there's civil war; the coup is defeated
And if the fascist/paternal autocrat (probably nominally still "democratic", just not in game terms) USA may intervene for Germany (embargo the allies or join the war), or remain isolationist.
As a side effect, the chain should help better model the fragility of the US economic situation and the difficulty of recovery (particularly the fact the 1937/8 recession is missing). I'd expect the US to not field quite as much IC overall (probably closer to 500-550 instead of 600 by late 1940), even if the coup never comes close to succeeding.
[edit] I should point out that I'm using NWO, but could conceivably mod it to fit just basic DH.
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