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@Johan apparently, we will soon come to the conclusion that before the party it will be necessary to edit a bunch of rules "for ourselves": so this is not Turkey, but turkiye. not Byzantium, but ERE, not svit'od, but Sweden, not the Muscovite kingdom, but Muscovy. Dudes are not a hood, customization is unnecessary in my opinion. Let's create a topic on the forum with the names of countries and everyone will vote, the most popular option will come into play. You can't please everyone, you'll have to let the mods be corrected later, but I don't want to sit and switch country names among a bunch of rules. It's absurd. I adhere to the dynamic name: If the country of the duchy level (development at the EU4 level, let's say 100) is the Duchy of Venice, the Principality of Lithuania, etc. If the country of the kingdom level (development up to 500) is the Kingdom of Jerusalem, the Grand Duchy of Moscow, etc. If the empire (from 500 and above) is the British Empire, the Mamluk the Caliphate, etc.
 
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@Johan apparently, we will soon come to the conclusion that before the party it will be necessary to edit a bunch of rules "for ourselves":
I don't see that as a problem. The game can have tons of customizable rules as long as they're clearly organized. First those that affect ironman. Then gameplay rules that do not affect ironman, if such rules exist. Then UI options, like my much longed for pause key and other keybindings. Then cosmetics, like country names and possibly colors (I foresee a Fars color debate somewhere ahead :p). A reset button to set all the options to defaults, and separate reset buttons for each groups. Unless reset is pressed, options are remembered between playthroughs. UI options and possibly cosmetics can be adjusted in the middle of a playthrough, gameplay options not. Those happy with the defaults can play the game without ever opening the options page. Those only wanting to set some gameplay rules need not scroll further than that section. Those with a passionate opinion about some cosmetic option can set it once after first starting the game, and not touch it again. Others may fiddle with the options as much as they please.
 
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Some of the border regions look a little weird, the country color and borders not overlapping that well. Some areas also seem to have thinner border lines for some reason
It could be intentional. The borders give the feeling of a brush being used to draw them.

What annoys me a bit more in that image you showed is E.R. appearing in the small islands, and even in the ocean. And in some places it appears Eastern Roman Empire instead of E.R. I don't get the logic for this.
 
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Johan should make it so that we can mod localization without disabling achievements, people should discuss more fruitful things, mods should lock this thread
 
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Is a system where there is a static "crown of XYZ" awarded to the holder of the region and a dynamic drop-down menu of names for the actual nation with that crown as the primary title (similar to CK3) feasible? Such as the holder of the Crown of Greece with the Empire government rank starts with the name choices of "Byzantine Empire" or "ERE". If the empire is abolished by say any of the Beyliks, the crown of Greece can later be reformed by, say a league of European nations that push the Turkish power out of the continent. In such a scenario, that new nation can choose to centralize as Greece or expand and reform as Byzantium/ERE. This system can apply to many nations. Such as the holder of the "Crown of China" can have dynamic dynastic names such as the Great Yuan, Great Ming, Great Qing, Great Shun, etc. That makes gameplay as the Muslim nations so much more dynamic. Persia can be thus named after whichever dynasty holds and unifies it, such as the Jalayirids, Chobanids, Muzzafarids, or later the Timurids or Safavids. Once they unify an Empire suffix (Timurid Empire, Safavid Empire) can be claimed via decision, and from the dynamic drop-down menu, the player can change the name to Timurid Persia, Safavid Persia, Safavid Iran, etc. Will that be too much?
 
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It could be intentional. The borders give the feeling of a brush being used to draw them.

What annoys me a bit more in that image you showed is E.R. appearing in the small islands, and even in the ocean. And in some places it appears Eastern Roman Empire instead of E.R. I don't get the logic for this.
that would explain the thin lines, but the bad overlapping just seems odd
 
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how about, your choose?

will be a game rule in project caesar, thanks to @SaintDaveUK

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Small correction. No, they are right smack in Rome, as Constantinople was initially named by emperor Constantine as Nea Roma, or new Rome.

So @Johan why not go a step further and make a third option - Roman Empire, or Rhomania, as the Byzantines (aka Rhomaoi, as they called themselves), called their Empire? Or Basilea ton Rhomaion - Empire of the Romans?

That said, thank you for giving us this option, and thank you for being so transparent with the community. This should be a model for all developers. And hopefully, this would foster a healthy community. So win win :)
 
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This is Paradox version of discussing minute details on World of Tanks forums. I hope no secret documents will leak, though.
Man leaks contents of British Museum archives scroll to fix historical inaccuracy of the 100 years war.
 
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You know, I never understood why people put so much effort into relatively trivial things such as the difference between the eastern roman empire, roman empire and the byzantine empire. I mean, do we have to replace Venice with THE MOST SERENE REPUBLIC OF VENEZIA? Every country had dynamic names and flavour of it's own sure but this just strikes me as overly pedantic. Kingdom of X / Republic of X is plenty already.
 
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Small correction. No, they are right smack in Rome, as Constantinople was initially named by emperor Constantine as Nea Roma, or new Rome.

So @Johan why not go a step further and make a third option - Roman Empire, or Rhomania, as the Byzantines (aka Rhomaoi, as they called themselves), called their Empire? Or Basilea ton Rhomaion - Empire of the Romans?
They probably chose not to call it outright Roman Empire cause that will be a formable and you can't really have two tags with the same name.
 
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You know, I never understood why people put so much effort into relatively trivial things such as the difference between the eastern roman empire, roman empire and the byzantine empire. I mean, do we have to replace Venice with THE MOST SERENE REPUBLIC OF VENEZIA? Every country had dynamic names and flavour of it's own sure but this just strikes me as overly pedantic. Kingdom of X / Republic of X is plenty already.
Perhaps, some people care about historical accuracy and immersion. Or even happen to be historians. ;)

And why not make that option for Venice? Why not make an option to simply turn on/off historical names. It will definitely help with immersion. And it is just few lines of code.
 
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They probably chose not to call it outright Roman Empire cause that will be a formable and you can't really have two tags with the same name.
I also think so. But this entire formable thing is weird. As the Byzantines were the Romans. Heck, an entire war broke out when Charlemagne tried to claim the title

Imagine, if you form the Roman Empire as Western state, and then the actual Romans (if they are still there), come on you with vengeance

That would be actually a nice touch.
 
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Perhaps, some people care about historical accuracy and immersion. Or even happen to be historians. ;)

And why not make that option for Venice? Why not make an option to simply turn on/off historical names. It will definitely help with immersion. And it is just few lines of code.
Sure, it adds a bit of historical flavor but thats the thing, its just a bit. Say you take the most popular 100 tags right? Give each of them several historical names and then several althistory names to account for anything that diverges from our timeline. Thats already about a thousand names atleast, only for a hundred tags. And then everyone would still say "you didn't add Rhomania omg". I just think all that effort could be spent somewhere more productive.

Besides, with mods coming I would prefer they focus on the more mechanical side of things and leave the minute flavor for modders.

Overall, i think this option Johan has chosen is for the best since the byzantines ARE the exception and a fan favorite.
 
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aside from the stinky pr move, heres some insight from metin kunt on what should or should not the ottomans be called

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i think the ottoman empire suits em well for all eras. if i were to change anything itd be osmanlı instead of ottoman. or somehow make german version the standard as they are the only europoors that got it right
Personally, I would prefer one of these terms instead of Ottomans The Sublime Porte, also known as the Ottoman Porte or High Porte
and for Poland would be cool The Crown of the Kingdom of Poland ( polish Korona Królestwa Polskiego short Korona; latin: Corona Regni Poloniae) was a political and legal idea formed in the 14th century, assuming unity, indivisibility and continuity of the state.
 
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Personally, I would prefer one of these terms instead of Ottomans The Sublime Porte, also known as the Ottoman Porte or High Porte
and for Poland would be cool The Crown of the Kingdom of Poland ( polish Korona Królestwa Polskiego short Korona; latin: Corona Regni Poloniae) was a political and legal idea formed in the 14th century, assuming unity, indivisibility and continuity of the state.
porte means nothing but household its a generic term for all grandees and notables and paşas and beys in the empire. and babıali/sublime thing is very rare until very very very late 1700s. i have no preference for polish kingdom although corona is fitting considering black death imminent
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