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US Manpower

I think the War in Poland should not give the US MP. The US Manpower boost should come with the fall of France and then not be full war but the prewar mobilization that occured.
 
Re: US Manpower

Originally posted by Kevin Mc Carthy
I think the War in Poland should not give the US MP. The US Manpower boost should come with the fall of France and then not be full war but the prewar mobilization that occured.
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That should be easy enough to implement, as there are already two manpower events, one triggered by the Fall of France, the other triggered by US entry into war. It is just a matter of piggybacking on these evente.
 
Originally posted by Pkunzipper
IMHO even some fascist countries actually have too much..
One for all is Italy... they have a huge manpower amount, in addition they have a "school of mass combat" minister that doubles the monthly MP gain!
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Are there any other nations that have too much manpower? I am going to start with the democracies, but move on to other MP offenders after testing my first changes.

One thing we have to remember is that changes to the INC file only last until the province is captured during combat, so our choices of what and where should be changed is important.
 
I have created some basic events for Holland, Belgium, Denmark and Norway so they will get to full MP production when the war in Europe starts. Here is Belgium's event as an example:

Code: 
##################################################
# 852012 - War in Europe Belgium
##################################################

event = { 
	id = 852012
	random = no
	country = BEL

	trigger = {
		OR = {
			War = { country = GER country = BEL }
			War = { country = GER country = POL }
			War = { country = GER country = CZE }
			War = { country = GER country = ENG }
		}

	name = "War in Europe"
	desc = "War has broken out in Europe, we are mobilizing our nation."
	style = 0

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1937 } 
	offset = 1
	deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1947 }

	action_a = {
		name = "Ok"
		command = { type = manpowerpool value = 50 }
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 552   value = 20 } #Bruxelles
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 548   value = 10 } #Antwerpen
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 557   value = 10 } #Arlon
	}
}

If Germany should start the war in Europe with Czechoslovakia, the democracies will mobilize. If the war starts with Poland (even if Poland is not a member of the Allies), then they will mobilize. The last resort is if Germany should not attack Czechoslovakia or Poland, but this nation (or go to war against the Allies at all) directly, they will mobilize. So, I think all bases are covered so there will be no exploits. Holland also mobilizes if it is at war with Japan, and Norway if it is at war with Russia. Anything else I might have missed?
 
Early test results

Well, it works very well, almost too well...

Looking at British and US production levels, they are primarily building already assigned pre-game ships. The US is divided 50-50 between Research and Production, but the UK is about 75-25 between Research and Production. This is because the US has so many pre-game ships under construction that it uses a good balance of industry, but since England has fewer ships under production (both at are about zero MP by July 1937), they have nothing to build and are devoting more IC to research.

Holland and Belgium have enough MP or existing construction in 1937 that they are still on a 50-50 production-research ratio.

Denmark, Norway, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa are other stories. They had very little beginning production, and very little starting manpower. By the middle of 1937 these nations are at 0% Production and 100% Research. They hae built very few units (Canada built just 2 Infantry Divisions and 1 Fighter Division, where previously in July 1937 they would have about 7-14 Divisions). Basically, these nations do what I do, devote 100% of spare resources to research until about a year before the war starts.

Other minor nations could benefit from this modification, even those who had larger peacetime armies. However, looking at the 1936 OOB's of nations like Romania, Hungary, Greece, Yugoslavia, etc., they aren't that much different than 1939 OOB's, so maybe limiting their MP would help their AI?

On the other side of the factor, maybe temporarily cutting IC until these nations mobilize will help limit the amount of research they are able to do (so Canada does not have better tank tech than Germany in 1939). Or, we might want to limit other nation's pre-war MP so they do more research during peacetime and less military construction until just before the war...
 
Good job! ;)

McNaughton, let's go on and let's try to reduce MP of all others countries using the same procedure you used for democracies!

I'll try to gather some data if you need it!
 
Originally posted by Pkunzipper
Good job! ;)

McNaughton, let's go on and let's try to reduce MP of all others countries using the same procedure you used for democracies!

I'll try to gather some data if you need it!
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That would be great, I am just wondering what nations should face reduced peacetime MP growth, and what their wartime MP growth should be.

We should determine what each nation's optimum total MP is, then figure out how much they will get for their Peacetime MP, their Wartime MP, and MP events (such as calling up their reserves when they go to war). This will require listing all nations, and their desired MP to 1945 (based more upon units raised, types of units raised and sufficient replacements rather than historic MP numbers).

I think there should be three types of nations. Our second goal should be determining which nations go where in the following areas.

#1. Unmobilized:

Nations like the US, UK, Australia, etc., who had very small peacetime militaries and mobilized only when war was looming. These nations have access to about 1-10% of their potential MP during Peacetime.

#2. Partially Mobilized:

Nations like France, Portugal, Turkey, etc., who had larger peacetime armies but still relied on conscripts and reservists when war breaks out. They would have access to around 25-50% of their potential MP during Peacetime.

#3. Totally Mobilized:

Nations like Germany, USSR, Italy, Japan, who were either at war or were at a military war footing from January 1936 (i.e., their conscripts were mobilized). They would have access to about 75-100% of their potential MP during Peacetime (even Germany did not access, or have access to Wartime MP in Peacetime).

Also, for every nation we do this to we must create some events that give them a sudden boost in MP when they go to war, or when they mobilize in fear of war (i.e., Turkey mobilizes their army if the Axis take all of the Balkans and Syria). I find that this really helps them create at least a small battle force.

One thing that I did for England was have them mobilize their monthly MP in stages. When Germany annexes the Sudatenland, all English provinces in the United Kingdom get to full MP production/year, however, colonies (Africa, India, etc.) are still at zero. This represents the mobilization of Territorial forces due to the threats of a looming war, but not Empire Forces (it gives them MP to increase their forces slightly). When England goes to war, the remainder of the Empire territories get their full MP/year values.

I am planning to do the same with the United States, have some provinces increase MP during the Selective Services Act event, and the rest when war is declared. The smaller nations are too small to worry about doing this, and actually it is much more realistic to have them mobilize when war is declared.
 
Originally posted by McNaughton
Nations like Germany, USSR, Italy, Japan, who were either at war or were at a military war footing from January 1936 (i.e., their conscripts were mobilized).
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Japan did not have it's population mobilised in 1936. They belong in category #1 IMHO, say 10%.


One thing that I did for England was have them mobilize their monthly MP in stages. When Germany annexes the Sudatenland, all English provinces in the United Kingdom get to full MP production/year, however, colonies (Africa, India, etc.) are still at zero.
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So what happens if India is liberated on 1/1/1936? You will potentially need events for every nation that could be liberated or risk having them left with zero province MP.
 
Originally posted by Steel
Japan did not have it's population mobilised in 1936. They belong in category #1 IMHO, say 10%.




So what happens if India is liberated on 1/1/1936? You will potentially need events for every nation that could be liberated or risk having them left with zero province MP. [/B]
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Thanks about the Japan thing, that is one of the reasons why I would want us to collaborate to determine where nations should go on the lists.

Any liberation event (i.e., India) would have to have separate events, and even different MP Growth results. It will not be hard at all to create an event for India to max out its MP growth, with the trigger being "exists = IND" or whatever national code we use. However, India would probably be more efficient in mobilizing the Indian population than the British were (resulting in MP in India being higher should it be controlled by India than if it was controlled by England). I just actually finished the event as I was typing this.

The most difficult part of this exercise is to find each province that each nation gets MP from, write the province name, the MP level, plus the province number. Once this information is tracked and input into a singular event/INC file, transferring it is easy.

However, when territory changes hands, doesn't it just revert back to the original settings in the Province.csv file? So when India declares independence, shouldn't territory revert to normal anyway?
 
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Re: Re: US Manpower

Originally posted by McNaughton
That should be easy enough to implement, as there are already two manpower events, one triggered by the Fall of France, the other triggered by US entry into war. It is just a matter of piggybacking on these evente.
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If the Search function worked I'd provide you with quoutes from my posts on the mobilization of the US National Guard after the fall of France.

Somewhere along the line, the US player should have the choice of the US Division mobilization plans. Historically, the choice was about 100 divisions (I'm working from memory so I absolve myself from the nitpickers) and a previous version which had 200 divisions. I'm willing to dig for the references, if you want.
 
Originally posted by McNaughton
The most difficult part of this exercise is to find each province that each nation gets MP from, write the province name, the MP level, plus the province number. Once this information is tracked and input into a singular event/INC file, transferring it is easy.
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Start game as nation, go to ledger page 2, click twice on Manpower at the top of the table. Doesn't give the province ID though :(

Also you will need to watch provinces which multiple nations have claims on.

For any events that will run from 1/1/1936 to 29/12/1947 I recomment you set the offset to 30.
 
Ok, I modified the birth and death dates so they fit within the proper timespan and the longer ones have an offset of 30.

The way this complicated event system works is...

There are the following events

Partial Mobilization #1 (just Britain mobilizes)
Partial Mobilization #2 (rest of the British empire mobilizes)
Parital Mobilization #2 India (rest of the British empire -India mobilizes)
Full Mobilization (entire British empire mobilizes)
Full Mobilization India (entire British empire -India mobilizes)

Possible Chain #1

-Germany occupies sudatenland, Partial Mobilization #1
-Britain goes to war, Partial Mobilization #2

(Sleeps Partial Mobilization #2 India, Full Mobilization, Full Mobilization India)

Possible Chain #2

-Germany goes to war with the Allies before sudatenland, Full Mobilization

(Sleeps Partial Mobilization #1, Partial Mobilization #2, Partial Mobilization #2 India, Full Mobilization India)

Possible Chain #3z

-Germany occupies sudatenland, Partial Mobilization #1
-India Independent, Britian goes to war, Partial Mobilization #2 India

(Sleeps Partial Mobilization #2, Full Mobilization, Full Mobilizatino India)

Possible Chain #3b

-India Independent, Germany occupies sudatenland, Partial Mobilization #1
-Britian goes to war, Partial Mobilization #2 India

(Sleeps Partial Mobilization #2, Full Mobilization, Full Mobilizatino India)

Possible Chain #4

-India declares independence, Britain goes to war, Full Mobilization India

(Sleeps Partial Mobilization #1, Partial Mobilization #2, Partial Mobilization #2 India, Full Mobilization)

It is sort of complicated, but it works.

Also, I did modify my above post, but the question is "when India is created, doesn't it nullify any changes made to the Provinces.INC file resulting in Indian MP returning to normal, requiring us not to have to worry about giving them MP?"
 
I want to make the fewest permanent changes possible to wartime MP, but reduce total MP through peacetime reductions. So, when nations go to war we won't have to worry about problems of MP values changing when nations occupy other provinces, becuase by the time it gets to this point the MP value would be the same as the Provinces.csv file due to events bringing the numbers back up.

Steel, thanks for the tip in the Economics chart, I did use this, but ou are right, it bites that it does not show the province numbers.
 
Re: Re: Re: US Manpower

Originally posted by Kevin Mc Carthy
If the Search function worked I'd provide you with quoutes from my posts on the mobilization of the US National Guard after the fall of France.

Somewhere along the line, the US player should have the choice of the US Division mobilization plans. Historically, the choice was about 100 divisions (I'm working from memory so I absolve myself from the nitpickers) and a previous version which had 200 divisions. I'm willing to dig for the references, if you want.
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That would be great if you won't mind spending the time digging it up!
 
Here it is

This is going to be big, but is the entire set of events including the Indian event where they get full MP. Please check to see if these will cancel eachother out when they should.

Code: 
###################
# Britain Re-arms #
###################

event = { 
	id = 272162
	random = no
	country = ENG

	trigger = {
		OR = {
		control = { province = 578 data = GER }
		atwar = GER
			}
		NOT = {
			event = 272164
			}
		}

	name = "We must rearm"
	desc = "German aggression in Czechoslovakia shows that diplomacy has failed, we must prepare for war and mobilize territorial forces."
	style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1938 } 
offset = 1
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1940 }

	action_a = {
		name = "Ok"
		command = { type = manpowerpool value = 400 }
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 499   value = 14 } #London
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 497   value = 14 } #Birmingham
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 490   value = 14 } #Sheffield
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 489   value = 14 } #Manchester
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 498   value = 12 } #Coventry
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 502   value = 9 } #Southampton
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 503   value = 9 } #Portsmouth
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 501   value = 9 } #Plymouth
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 488   value = 7 } #Newcastle
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 486   value = 7 } #Glasgow
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 500   value = 8 } #Bristol
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 493   value = 5 } #Belfast
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 487   value = 4 } #Edinburgh
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 491   value = 4 } #Cardiff
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 485   value = 2 } #Perth
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 484   value = 2 } #Aberdeen
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 483   value = 1 } #Iverness
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 272164 } # Britain Mobilization event War before Czechoslovakia annexed
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 272166 } # Britain Mobilization event India Independent War before Czechoslovakia
		}
}

##########################
# The Empire Goes to War #
##########################

event = { 
	id = 272163
	random = no
	country = ENG

	trigger = {
		atwar = yes
		event = 272162
		NOT = {
			event = 272164
			exists = IND
			}
		}

	name = "Complete mobilization"
	desc = "We are at war and must mobilize the Empire."
	style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1938 } 
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1944 }

	action_a = {
		name = "Ok"
		command = { type = manpowerpool value = 1000 }
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1717   value = 1 } #Hong Kong
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1490   value = 6 } #Calcutta
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1450   value = 5 } #Hyberdad
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1446   value = 5 } #Delhi
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1459   value = 5 } #Bombay
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1498   value = 5 } #Patna
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1590   value = 2 } #Rangoon
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1468   value = 2 } #Madras
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 260   value = 2 } #Kingston
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1417   value = 2 } #Karachi
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1478   value = 2 } #Calicut
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1496   value = 2 } #Vishakhapatnam
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1469   value = 2 } #Vijaywada
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1599   value = 2 } #Taung-Gye
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1418   value = 2 } #Sukkar
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1102   value = 1 } #Suez
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1438   value = 2 } #Srinagar
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1766   value = 2 } #Singapore
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 268   value = 1 } #Saint Johns
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1444   value = 2 } #Saharanpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1435   value = 1 } #Rawalpindi
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1451   value = 1 } #Rajkot
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1488   value = 1 } #Quetta
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1463   value = 1 } #Poona
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1209   value = 1 } #Nicosia
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1460   value = 1 } #Nagpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1465   value = 1 } #Mangalore
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1495   value = 1 } #Lucknow
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1449   value = 1 } #Lahore
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1063   value = 1 } #Lugos
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1765   value = 1 } #Kuala Lumpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 272   value = 1 } #Kingstown
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1442   value = 1 } #Jodhpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1447   value = 1 } #Jaipur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1497   value = 1 } #Jabalpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1464   value = 1 } #Huberdad
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1499   value = 1 } #Gorakhpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1309   value = 1 } #Dar es Salaam
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1585   value = 1 } #Dacca
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1500   value = 1 } #Cuttack
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1480   value = 1 } #Colombo
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1445   value = 1 } #Cawnpore
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1458   value = 1 } #Borhampur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1443   value = 1 } #Bikaner
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1457   value = 1 } #Bohpal
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1466   value = 1 } #Bangalore
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1456   value = 1 } #Ahmaudabad
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 272165 } # Britain Mobilization event India Independent
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 272166 } # Britain Mobilization event India Independent War before Czechoslovakia

		}
}

###################################################################
# The Empire Goes to War: Germany does not go into Czechoslovakia #
###################################################################

event = { 
	id = 272164
	random = no
	country = ENG

	trigger = {
		atwar = yes
		NOT = {
			event = 272162
			exists = IND
			}
		}

	name = "Mobilize the Empire"
	desc = "We are at war and must mobilize the Empire."
	style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1936 } 
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1944 }

	action_a = {
		name = "Ok"
		command = { type = manpowerpool value = 1400 }
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 499   value = 14 } #London
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 497   value = 14 } #Birmingham
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 490   value = 14 } #Sheffield
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 489   value = 14 } #Manchester
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 498   value = 12 } #Coventry
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 502   value = 9 } #Southampton
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 503   value = 9 } #Portsmouth
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 501   value = 9 } #Plymouth
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 488   value = 7 } #Newcastle
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 486   value = 7 } #Glasgow
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 500   value = 8 } #Bristol
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 493   value = 5 } #Belfast
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 487   value = 4 } #Edinburgh
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 491   value = 4 } #Cardiff
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 485   value = 2 } #Perth
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 484   value = 2 } #Aberdeen
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 483   value = 1 } #Iverness
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1717   value = 1 } #Hong Kong
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1490   value = 6 } #Calcutta
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1450   value = 5 } #Hyberdad
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1446   value = 5 } #Delhi
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1459   value = 5 } #Bombay
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1498   value = 5 } #Patna
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1590   value = 2 } #Rangoon
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1468   value = 2 } #Madras
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 260   value = 2 } #Kingston
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1417   value = 2 } #Karachi
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1478   value = 2 } #Calicut
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1496   value = 2 } #Vishakhapatnam
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1469   value = 2 } #Vijaywada
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1599   value = 2 } #Taung-Gye
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1418   value = 2 } #Sukkar
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1102   value = 1 } #Suez
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1438   value = 2 } #Srinagar
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1766   value = 2 } #Singapore
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 268   value = 1 } #Saint Johns
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1444   value = 2 } #Saharanpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1435   value = 1 } #Rawalpindi
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1451   value = 1 } #Rajkot
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1488   value = 1 } #Quetta
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1463   value = 1 } #Poona
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1209   value = 1 } #Nicosia
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1460   value = 1 } #Nagpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1465   value = 1 } #Mangalore
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1495   value = 1 } #Lucknow
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1449   value = 1 } #Lahore
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1063   value = 1 } #Lugos
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1765   value = 1 } #Kuala Lumpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 272   value = 1 } #Kingstown
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1442   value = 1 } #Jodhpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1447   value = 1 } #Jaipur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1497   value = 1 } #Jabalpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1464   value = 1 } #Huberdad
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1499   value = 1 } #Gorakhpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1309   value = 1 } #Dar es Salaam
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1585   value = 1 } #Dacca
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1500   value = 1 } #Cuttack
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1480   value = 1 } #Colombo
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1445   value = 1 } #Cawnpore
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1458   value = 1 } #Borhampur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1443   value = 1 } #Bikaner
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1457   value = 1 } #Bohpal
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1466   value = 1 } #Bangalore
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1456   value = 1 } #Ahmaudabad
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 272162 } # Britain Mobilization event part 1
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 272165 } # Britain Mobilization event India Independent
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 272166 } # Britain Mobilization event India Independent War before Czechoslovakia
		}
}

#############################################
# The Empire Goes to War: Independent India #
#############################################

event = { 
	id = 272165
	random = no
	country = ENG

	trigger = {
		atwar = yes
		exists = IND
		event = 272162
		NOT = {
			event = 272164
			event = 272163
			}
		}

	name = "Complete mobilization without India"
	desc = "We are at war and must mobilize what is left of the Empire."
	style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1938 } 
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1944 }

	action_a = {
		name = "Ok"
		command = { type = manpowerpool value = 1000 }
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1717   value = 1 } #Hong Kong
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 260   value = 2 } #Kingston
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1102   value = 1 } #Suez
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1766   value = 2 } #Singapore
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 268   value = 1 } #Saint Johns
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1209   value = 1 } #Nicosia
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1063   value = 1 } #Lugos
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1765   value = 1 } #Kuala Lumpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 272   value = 1 } #Kingstown
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1309   value = 1 } #Dar es Salaam
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 272163 } # Britain Mobilization event part 2
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 272164 } # Britain Mobilization event War before Czechoslovakia annexed
		}
}

############################################################################################
# The Empire Goes to War: Germany does not go into Czechoslovakia and India is independent #
############################################################################################

event = { 
	id = 272166
	random = no
	country = ENG

	trigger = {
		exists = IND
		atwar = yes
		NOT = {
			event = 272162
			event = 272165
			}
		}

	name = "Mobilize the Empire without India"
	desc = "We are at war and must mobilize the Empire."
	style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1936 } 
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1944 }

	action_a = {
		name = "Ok"
		command = { type = manpowerpool value = 1400 }
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 499   value = 14 } #London
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 497   value = 14 } #Birmingham
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 490   value = 14 } #Sheffield
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 489   value = 14 } #Manchester
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 498   value = 12 } #Coventry
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 502   value = 9 } #Southampton
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 503   value = 9 } #Portsmouth
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 501   value = 9 } #Plymouth
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 488   value = 7 } #Newcastle
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 486   value = 7 } #Glasgow
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 500   value = 8 } #Bristol
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 493   value = 5 } #Belfast
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 487   value = 4 } #Edinburgh
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 491   value = 4 } #Cardiff
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 485   value = 2 } #Perth
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 484   value = 2 } #Aberdeen
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 483   value = 1 } #Iverness
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1717   value = 1 } #Hong Kong
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 260   value = 2 } #Kingston
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1102   value = 1 } #Suez
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1766   value = 2 } #Singapore
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 268   value = 1 } #Saint Johns
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1209   value = 1 } #Nicosia
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1063   value = 1 } #Lugos
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1765   value = 1 } #Kuala Lumpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 272   value = 1 } #Kingstown
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1309   value = 1 } #Dar es Salaam
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 272162 } # Britain Mobilization event part 1
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 272164 } # Britain Mobilization event War before Czechoslovakia annexed
		}
}

###############################################
# 1102014 - Indian Manpower Event
##############################################

event = { 
id = 1102014
random = no
country = IND
trigger = {
		exists = IND
		NOT = {
			event = 272163
			event = 272164
		}
	}

name = "India Mobilizes"
desc = "We need a strong military in order to protect our new nation from foreign aggression."
style = 0 

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1936 } 
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1947 }

action_a = {
	name = "Ok"
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1490   value = 6 } #Calcutta
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1450   value = 5 } #Hyberdad
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1446   value = 5 } #Delhi
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1459   value = 5 } #Bombay
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1498   value = 5 } #Patna
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1590   value = 2 } #Rangoon
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1468   value = 2 } #Madras
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1417   value = 2 } #Karachi
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1478   value = 2 } #Calicut
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1496   value = 2 } #Vishakhapatnam
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1469   value = 2 } #Vijaywada
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1599   value = 2 } #Taung-Gye
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1418   value = 2 } #Sukkar
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1438   value = 2 } #Srinagar
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1444   value = 2 } #Saharanpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1435   value = 1 } #Rawalpindi
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1451   value = 1 } #Rajkot
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1463   value = 1 } #Poona
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1465   value = 1 } #Mangalore
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1495   value = 1 } #Lucknow
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1449   value = 1 } #Lahore
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1442   value = 1 } #Jodhpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1447   value = 1 } #Jaipur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1497   value = 1 } #Jabalpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1464   value = 1 } #Huberdad
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1499   value = 1 } #Gorakhpur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1585   value = 1 } #Dacca
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1500   value = 1 } #Cuttack
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1480   value = 1 } #Colombo
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1445   value = 1 } #Cawnpore
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1458   value = 1 } #Borhampur
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1443   value = 1 } #Bikaner
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1457   value = 1 } #Bohpal
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1466   value = 1 } #Bangalore
		command = { type = province_manpower which = 1456   value = 1 } #Ahmaudabad
	}
}
 
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Looking through the list of valid event commands I find this:
type = build_division which = [division type] value = [brigade type]
Click to expand...
This could be used in a chain of events to produce the US Natioanl Guard mobilization.

That would be great if you won't mind spending the time digging it up!
Click to expand...

Deal!
 
This post is from one of the 1st on the US thread and many links have expired.

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Originally posted by Kevin Mc Carthy
This has been said by me, and others in this thread and others, but I will try to summerize [I expect to edit this some in the next couple of days].

1936 Scenario:

Land units OK.

The current 1.03 NA version AI allocates too much production for the US between '36 and the the fall of France (May '41 historicaly) to military production, expecially the US Army. I've played around with the AI files for the US but have not been able to figure out how to fix this--even shifting the % of land units build as low as 5% doesn't work. The US still builds too many units. Not only that but too much is spent on technologies, see http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg...ppp/ch02.htm#b8

1939 scenario:

"In 1939 the Regular Army had nine infantry and three cavalry divisions on its rolls. Of these, only the 1st to 3rd Divisions and 1st Cavalry Division had an active division headquarters, and none of these were completely formed. The remaining infantry divisions (4th to 9th) consisted of understrength brigades and the other two cavalry divisions (2nd and 3rd) were paper designations to which cavalry regiments were nominally assigned. The National Guard had 18 divisions (26th to 38th, 40th, 41st, and 43rd to 45th) largely complete but understrength, along with four cavalry divisions (21st to 24th). The cavalry divisions were incomplete other than for the assigned cavalry and field artillery. Finally, there was the Organized Reserve. This had designations for 27 infantry and six cavalry divisions (76th to 91st and 94th to 104th Divisions and 61st to 66th Cavalry Divisions). These were actually little more than officer cadres. There were also the Hawaiian, Philippine, and Panama Canal Divisions overseas. None of these were complete tactical formations." Quote from http://orbat.com/site/armyww2.html

The listing of the US Army Divisions on the same page http://orbat.com/site/armyww2.html seems to be the best selection for 1939 scenario.

However, note the problems the US had in the mobilization of 1940
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/ww...ework/index.htm and note the staggered pattern of about 3 NG divisions built per month (in HOI speak) starting the month of June 1940 for six months.

16 Sep 1940
30th Infantry NG
Ft Jackson SC

16 Sep 1940
41st Infantry NG
Ft Lewis WA

16 Sep 1940
44th Infantry NG
Ft Dix NJ

16 Sep 1940
45th Infantry NG
Camp Berkeley TX

15 Oct 1940
27th Infantry NG
Ft McClellan AL

15 Oct 1940
32nd Infantry NG
Camp Livingston FL

16 Oct 1940
37th Infantry NG
Camp Shelby MS

25 Nov 1940
31st Infantry NG
Camp Blanding FL

25 Nov 1940
36th Infantry NG
Camp Bowie, TX

23 Dec 1940
35th Infantry NG
Camp Joseph T Robinson AR


16 Jan 1941
26th Infantry NG
Camp Edwards MA

17 Jan 1941
38th Infantry NG
Camp Shelby MS

3 Feb 1941
29th Infantry NG
Ft George G Meade MD

10 Feb 1941
34th Infantry NG
Camp Claiborne LA

17 Feb 1941
28th Infantry
NG Indiantown Gap Mil Reserve PA

24 Feb 1941
43rd Infantry NG
Camp Shelby MS

3 Mar 1941
40th Infantry NG
Camp Shelby MS

http://orbat.com/site/armyww2.html

If in the '36 and '39 scenario the USA ai can be made to be truely isolationist, I propose an event be created for mobilization calling up the 18 NG divisions (put into the build q) if 1) war is declared on the US; 2) War Entry is >X%, 3) Paris falls.
 
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I would rather not use the create unit event (since equipment had to be produced), but instead give the US enough MP that they could build these divisions on their own.

So, basically after the Fall of France the US got acess to enough MP to mobilize 17 or so divisions. So, maybe 200-250 MP released at this time would suffice?

Plus, since by this time most of the national guard was being mobilized, possibly increasing the monthly MP growth to somewhere from 10-25% would be in order. By this time most of the shipping should be done, and enough industry to allow these divisions to be completed in the 6 month period.

Somewhere between this time and January 1936 there must be an increase in MP to allow for the creation of the earlier 18 NG Divisions about 200-250 MP.

The US has enough ship production to keep tech-production levels at 50-50 for a while, but enough basic IC that they can be researching at equivalent levels (even better) than most other major nations.

Also, should the United States be concentrating on Infantry or Motorized Divisions at this time? I would assume that Motorized formations would better represent their actual force type (since Mechanized has yet to be researched). I am leaning toward chainging priority of the UK, South Africa and Canada toward Morotized formations (as all of their Infantry was heavily motorized compared to most other nations).
 
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