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Question of Hainan

Event to Canton: "Question of Hainan." trigered by Champa event "Anexion of Dai Viet."
(Dai Viet all the time till anexion has RM with cantoneese but noone truly believes that it will help that Canton would not star agression agaisnt Dai Viet. But surprisingly it helped...)

"Hainan was tragicaly lost to Dai Viet in their famous counterattack of 1405. Being before it colonised by cantoneese it was still so at anexion of Dai Viet by Champa. We can not let them take those cantoneese when they are weaker than us. Before we could not attack Dai Viet becouse of royal marriages but now nobody stops us. So what we will do? Threaten Champa to secede Hainan to us or just go and take?"

A. Give us Hainan or get war!
Trigers event to Champa "Canton threatens us in Hainan question!"
Relations with champa -40

B. WAR!
War with Champa.
Trigers event to Champa "Canton declares war becouse of Hainan!"


Event to Champa "Canton threatens us in Hainan question!"
"Historicaly and culturaly Hainan belonged to Canton more than Dai Viet. Dai Viet took it only in famous counter attack of 1405. While they did not take it while it was in Dai Viet becouse of fragile royal marriage between them, now they feel their hands is free. Mighty Canton threten us with war if we not secede them Hainan. If we secede they promise to be our frends. Advisers advise to not have this danger becouse as land power it would be hard to us to hold that island."

A. Agree to advisers and fulfil Canton historical right.
Secede Hainan to Canton.
Relations with Canton +250.
Gain royal marriage with Canton.
Triger event to Canton: "Champa agrees to return Hainan."

B. We will not give away what is in our hands!

Monarchs MIL skill +2 next 4 years.
Revoltrisk in Hainan +20
Rebels in Hainan -1
Rebels -3 -3 -3
Triger event to Canton: "Champa chosse war!"


Event to Canton: "Champa agrees to return Hainan."
"Champa agreed to secede Hainan and establish frendly relationships. We, too."
A. Great!
Gain RM with Champa
Relations with Champa +100


Event to Canton: "Champa chose war!"
"Champa choose war. Thats their grave mistake!"

A. Lets their heads roll!

Gain CB for 2 years.
War with Champa.
Relations -100.

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But mostly this Dai Viet anexion would not hapen now. It will hapen some 30 years later when that son of Sarah Miracle (Ugly -Ylgu) would grow and pretend to throne in another Dai Viet succesion crises.
 
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While Ibrahim and Hamza is at Hajj.
"Strange desease hits Champa!"
"In summer of 1434. Champa` coastal cities and towns was hit by strange desease whoose identoty is unknown to historians. It swept out royal court, too, leaving only Nuh Adam, his half vietnameese son from Sarah Miracle and Ibrahim son Musa."

A. Life is only there were is death...
Population -1000 -2
Population -1000 Mekong delta, Tanh Noah, Da Nang.


While Ibrahim and Hamza is at Hajj.
"Illness of Nuh Adam."
"Being old - 70-80, Nuh Adam left alone in court went to illness."
"Suffering in illness can be blessing from God to buy out great sins..."
Monarch skills changed to 2/2/2


After return from Hajj. Somewhere in middle 1430th.(1436. august)
"Ibrahim Nuh succecion to the crown."
"When Ibrahim returned to Champa from Hajj he found that his father lies on death bed. Nuh Adam kept alive himself only to wait his son and brother to return and save country from chaos. He managed that but did not predict that with return from Hajj problems will not end but increeses... In Hajj Ibrahim and Hamza did not improve their relationships. Thay even worsened becouse of Ibrahim took duty of providing covering of Kaaba. After death of Nuh Adam his brother accused Ibrahim Nuh of being usurpator becouse he himself decided without any consultation with him or real ruler. He rebbeled at Mekong delta from were come his troops under command."

A. It only shows that Ibrahim was right that Hamza is not trustable.
Stability -3
Revoltrisk +2 for 2 years
Rebels in Mekong delta -1 -3 -3 -3
Military skill -1 for 2 years

October of 1438.
"Peace with Hamza"
"After two years of rebeliton noticed that Ibrahim is winnig him came to compromise. Ibrahim agreed to reappoint Hamza as military leader dispite that with oldness Hamza` military skills has worsened..."

A. It is still great!
Gain Hamza Adam as military leader. (2/2/2)
Stability +1
 
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At begining of game Cambodia by ZZZZ AAAA took over Ayyuthaya which fired event that they inherit it but release Phucket (together with Perak prov) as vassal. Cambodia crazy revengful ruler ZZZZ AAAA killed and sold to slavery thais and muslims from Bangkok. After end of war ZZZZ AAAA become completely mad and his stats become 2/2/3(or 4).

And at 1440. Camgodia recieves event.
Event for Cambodia. "Thais revengue!"

"Two decades after Bangkok massacre ZZZZ AAAA recieves late, but not too late repay. Thais slave women who was working at ZZZZ AAAA palace managed to add poisen in ZZZZ AAAA food and he died after days of convulsions. As ZZZZ AAAA was without heir becouse in his madness attacks he has killed any worths premier and he had no children becouse of what was did to his body while being sold to prostitution in his early childhood. This leaved country in complete chaos!"

A. What we can do? Nothing, we have no ruler...

Interregnum monarch 2/2/1
Loose 5 000 INF -1 -1
Stab -6
-50D (looted out in chaos)
trade -200
infra -200
land -200
naval -200
centralisation -3
quality -2
revoltrisk +4 next 3 years
Rebels -2

This trigers event to Champa.
"Muslims from Bangkok ask for revengue!"
"Muslims from Bankok who Nuh Adam bought two decades ago ask permision to go at war with Cambodia. ZZZZ AAAA was just poisoned and did not leave any successor. We have great chance to overtake that country before its stabilises! This is chance for Ibrahim Nuh son heir apparant Musa Ibrahim to praticises in war comandering."
A. We will shorely use this chance!
Gain 10 000 INF at Da Nang.
Gain leader Musa Ibrahim. 4/2/2
Gain CB agaist Cambodia.
War with Cambodia.
20 VP

B. We will litlebit prepare and then attack.
Gain 8 000 INF at Da Nang.
Gain CB agaist Cambodia.
Gain leader Musa Ibrahim. 4/2/2
-1 stab

C. Let cambodians kill themselves. I wil not intervene.
-3 stab
-20VP
Revolt in Da Nang.
 
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Event: "Cambodia falls to Champa!"
Trigered: Cambodia controls Cambodia and Kmer or Cambodia and Bankok.

"By having only scirmishes with disorganised, demoralised and poorly controled Cambodia army, Champa` armies led by Ibrahim and Hamza who at last was happy to use his military skills, easely overtaked teritory of Cambodia and cities soon felt to muslim armies. Cambodia collapsed to Ibrahim dispite that these budist teritories was not easy to govern. Ibrahims as talanted administrator since beggining understand that he must not try to rule marginal and poor Laos province with its woods, swamps and lack of roads, but only concentrate his attention to developed and rich south. This was truly great strategic decidion to release Laos (or other name for county which forms from Laos province. I think it can be called Laos only "Laos" which already are three prov state, must be called different like Lan Xang.) as vasal and concentrate army to suppress rebels in south. Also he send diplomates to Cambodia neighborgs and they recognised new teritories as Champa legitime property and Champa as heir of Cambodia international relationships. This was very important in case of Phucket who after fall of Cambodia recognised Champa as is suzerin."

A. We are not minor country anymore!
Inherit Cambodia
Grant independence to Laos (Laos prov.) (vasal)
Gain alliance with Laos.
Gain Phuket as vasal.
Centralisation -1
Diplomats -5
Relations with Phuket +200
Relations with Burma, Lan Xang - 20
Add cores on provinces.
 
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Event for Champa:
Trigered by some 60 days offset after fall of Cambodia.
"Death of Hamza Adam"
"While he returned to capital to Shoaib Harun Nuh to who he loved a much he was ambushed in Cambodia province and killed by partisans. They mutilated his body almost the same as did Meccan pagans to great companion of Muhamed (SAW) Hamza (RA), his foster brother and great warrior after battle of Hud. As this happened nearby budist monastry some adviced to use situation and confiscate valuables of this monastiry becouse they likely were involved at least indirectly. But if mutilaters and killers of Hamza will not be punished, muslims, especialy his garnison would show some displeasure and khmers could see it as sign of weak."

A. Let us show them that mutilation is forbiden in new state religion. Close Monastry.
+ 150D
Revolt in Cambodia -1, -3,
Revolt in Khmer -1,
Revolt risk in Cambodia, Khmer, Bankok +2 for next 10 years

B. Take some gold from monastry as blood money to Hamza family - thats me.
+50D
Revolt in Cambodia -1, -3
Revoltrisk in Cambodia, Khmer, Bankok +1 for next 5 years

C. That was they legitime right to attack intruder and I did not love my uncle.
-2 stab
Losse Hamza as miliary leader
Revolt in Mecong delta. -1
Revolt in Cambodia -1
Revoltrisk in Cambodia, Khmer, Bankok +3 for next 1 year.
 
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10 days after "Fall of Cambodia".
"Khmers uprising"
"Despite ruthless rule of mad ZZZZ AAAA khmers did not see Champa rule as good change. They saw is as good chance. Good chance to live again decent lives under budist rule as they lived before invasion of thais and despot ZZZZ AAAA. This was their chance what they needed to fulfil through rebelition. And they tried."

A. Our armies will have practise.
Revolt risk in Khmer, Cambodia, and Bangkok provs +1 for 10 years, + 1 for 8 years and + 1 for 5 years.
Rebels at Cambodia -1
 
"Economic problems of Champa"
(Year after fall of Champa.)
"Despite being good administrator, Ibrahim Nuh came to situation where his country has spent a lot in past two decades. It truly has spent more than it can afford. Now it has conqured provinces which could be rich again after restoration of peace and stability but for it there is time to came. But Champa has now problem of being too poor to afford keeping those armies to pacify budist rebels. Solution came out of unexpected sides! Teenager Shoaib, who being pios and learning in madrassa with sholars, adviced that Ibrahim could speak with imams and they will ensure that in their fridays speaches they will inform muslim men about that wearing gold to man is forbidden in islam becouse gold is almost only means of exchange and let gold be only for women. This will encourege spending and this how economy."

A. Teenager show great potential and Ulema becomes happiest!
Basictaxvalue in Tanh Noah +1, Da Nang +1, Mecong delta +1, Da Lat +2.
Trade +1000
Infra +1000
Stability +1
Misionaries +5
+1 Inflation

B. Do not be so original. Just tax!
Basictaxvalue in Tanh Noah +1, Da Nang +1, Mecong delta +1, Da Lat +2.
Basic tax value +1 in any prov
Trade -100
Infra -100
Stability -3
revoltrisk +1 for 3 years
 
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"Death of Ibrahim Nuh"
"In summer of 1447 Ibrahim Nuh was bit by poisenos snake while going to Isha prayer at late evening. It was obvios that somebody has put this snake on path which he used every evening. History is silent who did this or did it become to knew who did this, but great monarch was dead.
Ibrahim Nuh was one of greatest Champa ruler, who was great diplomat while being in Hajj, great conquer in war with Cambodia, and talanted administrator in revival of prosperity to cambodian lands after mismanagment at ZZZZ AAAA times... Normaly in this situation would rise instability but Ibrahims son Musa was great succesor, so instability did not hapen."

A. While there is this kind succesors there is need for cry
Lose monarch and leader Ibrahim Nuh.
Gain monarch and monarch-leader Musa Ibrahim. D7/A2/M7. Leader 4/3/2/

Event:
"Musa Ibrahim and Shoaib Harun Nuh."
"While Shoaib Harun was only twenty he was uncle of older Musa. But Musa as he at first unsuccesfuly tried to be governor of Tanh Noah has expierence with ruling and he knew his strong and weak sides. He knew that he can be quite good at war what he saw in war in Cambodia, or diplomacy what he expierensed in diplomatic talks with Lan Xang about overborder bandits. But he knew that he is weak at economy but after few months of governing Tanh Noah briliant helper proved to be his young frend Shoaib Harun who has get descent religious and secular education in madressa."

A. Apoint Shoaib Harun as vezier.
Monarch adm skill up to 8. (Shoaib Harun will be vezier not only to this monarch.)
Monarch dipl skill up to 9. (Shoaib Harun will be vezier not only to this monarch.)
stab -2 (not everybody believes that ~20 years amn can manage state administration)
revoltrisk +1 for 1 year

B. Apoint some more expierenced.
Monarch adm skill up to 7.
Stab +1
 
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Ahmed,

Too busy at the moment to read all of this but I am wildly impressed by your productivity and ideas. After tomorrow nights upload, I will be concentrating on reviewing new material and giving back comments and I look forward to reading your stuff then.

Matty
 
16.5. Added Monetary reform.Minor ch in Armament reform

Ch. -BB Changes to +BB (was error) in getting Sarakham prov


1448.
"Monetary reform"
"Champa had not minted their own money since 1350. These coins is not used more than 10% percents of total money flow. In this monetary chaos dominates chineese yuans (??), Mallaca and Atjeh dinars (??) and by conquest of Cambodia and vassalage of Dai Viet - Dai Viet __dollars__ and Ayyuthaya __dollars__. Grand vezir Shoaib Harun ordered to mint new gold Champa dinars according to islamic patterns and tradition. In next 100 years they will become one of most widely used coins in South East, South and Central Asia. Dispite that this was young vezir first reform and monetary reforms mostly is connected with instability (as everything with money), in this Champa monetary chaos it created huge accept and by this new vezir, too."

A. If every year would be this kind reforms!
Inflation -5
+150D
Trade +2000
Infra +100
Basictaxvalue in Tanh Noah +1
Merchants +6
Stability +3
Centralisation +1

B. I am nummismat. Like a lot of coins! No need for reform...
Trade -50
Merchants -2
Stability -1
Relations with Atjeh, Mallaca, China +30

(Matty, I know what You think about -5 inflation and +150D (and +2000 trade), but next monetary (minor) reform, will be only after 200 years... And remember they still are "china" tech group. And sometimes there is such reforms which brings only good things...)


1452.

"Musa persuades Shoaib Harun about armament reform"
"Noticing that chineese armies become more advanced that Champa, Musa persuade Shoaib Harun to spent time and money in armament reform after which Champa would made their own iron weapons. But for creating own Champa armaments, Champa needed own iron mines. But in region major iron resources had only Lan Xang province Sarakham. How can we get it from that poor and weak country?"

A. Offer Lan Xang to "sell" it for 150D
Triger event. "Champa demands Sarakham for 150D".
Relations -30
-1 diplomat
+1 BB
-1 stab
B. Threaten with war!
Triger event "Champa order us to choose: War or give them Sarakhan."
+ 4 BB
-1 diplomat
-3 stab

Events for Lan Xang.
"Champa demands Sarakham for 150D"
"Champa is intersted in our iron mines and demand them for 150D."
A. "Better agree while they give something to us."
Secede Sarakham to Champa.
-1 stab.
+150D
-30 relations
Triger "Lan Xang agrees for 150 ducates"

"Champa order us to choose: War or give them Sarakhan."
"Champa is interested in our iron mines and demands them not even paying us anything... But it is good that they at least talk with us, not just send their soldiers... "
A. "War with them? No, thanks..."
Secede Sarakham to Champa.
-3 stab.
-50 relations
Triger "Lan Xang agrees."

Events for Champa:
"Lan Xang agrees for 150 ducates"
"Lan Xang agrees to secede Sarakham for 150 ducates."
A. "Thats better for them"
-150D
-20 rel
+2 BB

"Lan Xang agrees."
"Lan Xang agrees to secede Sarakham out of fear of war with us."
A. Thats better for them.
-40 rel
+4 BB
 
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1454.
"Development of Sarakham iron mines."
"Second phase of aramament manufactoring reform was to develop mines and infrastructure there becouse mines were deep in jungles and mountins to were was no serious roads. Also teritory was with scattered populations and there needed a new metalurgy town."

A. Build major roads, expand mines and establish metalurgy town.
-250D
Basictaxvalue in Sarakham +3
infra + 1000
trade +50
population in Sarakham +3000
population in Mecong delta -1500
Population in Tanh Noah -500
Population in Da Lat - 500
Population in Da Nang -500
Sarakham religion turn to sunni
Sarakham culture turn to chambani
Add core on Sarakham
Land +1
Quality +1
Land tech +500
-1 stab
-6 colonists
Triger event "Hajj of 1460."

B. Build only one road, expand mines litlebit, establish village
-50D
Basictaxvalue in Sarakham +1
infra + 300
population in Sarakham +500
population in Mecong delta -500
Add core on Sarakham
Land tech +200
Triger event "Hajj of 1460."

C. We can live as it is...
Sleep event "Hajj of 1460."
-50Vp
 
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1453.

"Standartisations of measure system"
"Prophet Shoaib criticised his people for not being fair in trade. One of ways how merchants cheated in trade was using in these sinful activities regional differences in measure system. Grand vezier Shoaib Harun noticed this kind tendencies in khmer provencies. He managed to standartise measure system there and by his diplomatic skills and some royal gifts - even in vasal states.

A. Way to go, great reformer!
-25D
Trade tech +500
Centralisition +1
taxvalue + 1 in Khmer, Cambodia and Bankok
-1 traders
-3 diplomats
Stability -1
Relations with Phuket, Laos and Viet Nam +20
Triger: "Standartization of measure system in South East Asia."

B. What next?! Kilometrs and litrs? No man, I will use my foot for mesure!
-50 trade
-10 VP
+1 BB
+1 Stab


1459.
"Standartization of measure system in South East Asia."
"After great success in standartization of measure system in Champa and its vasals, Shoaib Harun and Musa used their diplomatic skills to pershuade neighborghs join. It was success dispite that Burma ignored us, but chineese think that their measures are better... Still it was success, even when for royal gifts went lot of money."

A. Thats a lot of talking and gifts but later lot of trade!
-150D
trade tech + 2000
Mercantilism -2
Diplomats -6
Brunei, Mallaca, Atjeh, Bengal, Laos and Mataram recieves event with +1500 trade, and mercantilism -2.
Relations with Brunei, Mallaca, Atjeh, Bengal, Laos and Mataram +60
Traders +6

B. Do not cheat at our people, cheat others!

Mercantilism +1
-10Vp
Trade tech -100
+1 stab
+1 BB
 
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1459.
"Hajj of 1460."
"While it was easy for Shoaib Harun to persuade Musa to every reform which he wanted becouse Musa trusted economic development to Shoaib Harun. And Musa waited from these reforms results that he could built weapon manufactory. So when Champa was again litle stibilised from Shoaib Harun reforms, Musa decided that this is time for bringing foraign weapon makers to Champa. He or Shoaib Harun needed to go to Midle East and hire specialists. Of course that who will go will go to Hajj at first. But who will go? While there would not be unrest if Musa goes becouse great administrator Shoaib Harun is honored in nation, and Musa trust his frend, but still Shoaib Harun is not with military skills and this leavs country military weak. But if Shoaib Harun goes then these two years country stays without descent economist..."

A. Let Musa go.
Military skill for 2 years down to 2 years
Loose Musa as military leader for 2 years
Revoltrisk +1 for 2 years
-20D
B. Let Shoaib Harun go.
Administrative skill for 2 years down to 2 years
Stability -1
-20D
C. Let Shoaib Harun go, but hire some talented administrator for this time.
-220D
Administrative skill for 2 years down to 7

D. I have nothing lost in Midle East.
-10Vp
 
1461.
"Musa hires specialists for weapon manufactory."
"After Hajj at late 1460 and early 1461 Musa Ibrahim spent time in Caliphate and Mamluke sultanate in searching specialists for weapon manufactory. He become to knew some new technics of iron casting and fortress building. Also he renewed Champa-Caliphate great relationships and visited his aunt Amina Nuh. While she was widowed and new caliph Muhammad VIII was from another wife of Abbas al-Mutawakkil IV, still he apreciated a lot a military efforts of Champa, largely becouse he himself was war ruler. His aim was levant. As he was in need of money, too. So he sold cheapely some equpment and weapon making secrets. At home with supervision of Shoaib was cheaply built modern weapon manufactory."

A. Buy, hire and build!
-700D
Gain weapon manu at Sarakham.
Land +2
Quality +2
Land tech + 2000
Technology group changed to "muslim"
Relations with Caliphate +50, Mamlukes +30, Mallaca, Atjeh, Bengal, Delhi, Sindh, Oman, Yemen, Hedjaz +10.
Triger event to CAL "Musa buys some technology" (gives +150D, relations +50, -50 land tech)
Triger event for Champa (after anexion of Dai Viet) "Fortreses of Hanoi and Lao Cai."

B. Just buy some secrets, some equpment and hire some specialists.
-200D
Land +1
Quality +1
Land tech + 1000
Technology group changed to "muslim"
Relations with Caliphate +70, Mamlukes +40, Mallaca, Atjeh, Bengal, Delhi, Sindh, Oman, Yemen, Hedjaz +10.
C. Our brave soldiers do not need more that kitchen knives!
-1 quality
-100 land tech
-20 VP
 
yourworstnightm said:
I am glad to see someone enthusiastic working on SE Asia, I hope an aberration of the whole area would be done, since Ahmed's new greater Champa really need an archrival.
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Chineese states as world technology center will be frightful for far away Europe not talking about neiborghood Champa. In near years - 1472 Champa will diploanex two prov Viet Nam and have border with cantoneese state. At first years it will be frendly... At first years...
 
I do see an awfull lot of + BTV in these events, and I do wonder:

Is economic growth really this great?

Is there a sort of downward pressure on the economy in 1419, meaning it is only natural for BTV to rise?

Should there perhaps, instead, be a rise in starting base tax values?

Or are you just slightly overdoing it ;)
 
Avernite said:
I do see an awfull lot of + BTV in these events, and I do wonder:

Is economic growth really this great?

Is there a sort of downward pressure on the economy in 1419, meaning it is only natural for BTV to rise?

Should there perhaps, instead, be a rise in starting base tax values?

Or are you just slightly overdoing it ;)
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At first as You noticed there is almost only positive events (only some 3 true rebel and rebelrisk events). Mostly there is positive developmet about whom Champa must pay with money and stability.
At first I like at first to write positive events (I do not like those rebels). Those rebel events will be added in balancing gameplay. At second Champa pays a LOT money and stability in these first 50 years. Only when events will be included in game and played I will see does Champa can afford so much.
So worrid about that they are living on loans I gived them some economic boosts.
So - at first events and then by playing I will improve game balance.

(But that "men gold" is overpowered. But at that time ex-Cambodia teritories sits on rebelition, so there is no positive development. I want to add in events "Islamic courts in budist teritories" - three "legal courts" but Champa has problem with money (I think so from their spending)...
 
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Which Year? I do not know. Seems that after spending 700D at 1461. Champa spends 1461-1472 to get out of loans. So this event happens after fall of Cambodia (somewhere ~1440-44) but not too late cos then these teritories could be muslim already. So when I will play then I will see where to put it. It could be reform of Ibrahim Nuh but Shoaib Harun (Reformer - Helper as known in South East Asia) is greatest reformer of Champa...
"Islamic courts in budist teritories"
""Our true religion is religion of justice with most wisest God apointed laws. Only ignorant and biased do not see greatness of these laws. But even those who do not recognise their duties and position in front of God, even they must obey Gods ordered laws when they lives under autority of islam." Shoaib Harun argued about impletion of islamic courts on budist teritories. "I hope they will not be so rejectionist and arrogant and will value these superb laws who is given to them to only bring justice in their society." But they did not."

A. Implete islamic courts in budist teritories.
-200D
Gain Courthouse in Khmer, Cambodia and Bankok
Revoltrisk in in Khmer, Cambodia and Bankok +1 for 10 years
Rebels -1 in Khmer, Cambodia and Bankok
Innovativness -1
Relations with Burma, Lan Xang -30. Relations with 3 budist countries -15.
(Stability -1)
Centralisation +1
(Put servs or not put +1?)
-3 misionaries (judges)

B. Do not save them from their own injustice.
Revoltrisk in Khmer, Cambodia and Bankok -1 for 5 years
Serfdom -1
Revolt in sunni prov -1
Revoltrisk in Sunni in those 5 sunni provs +1 for 5 years.
Relations with 5 budist countries +15
-5 misionaries (protest)
 
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IIRC, you can't say 'have a revolt in a sunni province' or 'improve relations with a buddhist'. Usually, it can only be truely random, or for revolts you could put it in a random non-state religion province.


Oh, and another point, I wonder why Champa forcing others out of provinces REDUCES Badboy...

edit: nvm, either you changed the values, or I misread the first time
 
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