Home Trending Latest threads New posts Developer diaries

Champa and its interaction with neighbours

Jump to latest Follow Reply
  • We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
For Champa event "Now it would be too much headache with Hunan"
event "Now it would be too much headache with Guanxi"
event "Now it would be too much headache with that cantoneese province"
event "Now it would be too much headache with that cantoneese province"
event "Now it would be too much headache with that cantoneese province"
event "Now it would be too much headache with that cantoneese province"
These province based events is in case than Champa has taken some Canton provs.
"While Champa took Hunan from Canton at war enthusiasm now Muhammed understands that trying to keep it would be very hard becouse of nearby cantoneese state and chineese interest in balance of this region. Hunan people seems to be very hostile to our rule and it would be better to sell this headache to Canton back while it accept to buy it."

A. Follow wisdom of Muhammed
Secede Hunan to Canton
+150D (depends on prov value)
Triger event for Canton "Buy our Hunan back"

B. Be original
RR in Hunan +10 for 100 years, + 10 for 70 years, + 10 for 50 years


Event for Canton "Buy our Hunan back"
"While Champa took Hunan from Canton at disaster of 1494, now Muhammed understands that trying to keep it would be very hard becouse of love of cantoneese their empirator. Hunan people are very hostile to other rule than our blessed and Muhammed offers to buy them for relative low price."

A. Ok, I take them
-150D
+20VP
 
event for Mallaca "Champa sends technology to Mallaca"
"Becouse of our brave soldiers in war agaist Canton, Champa sends us part of booty."
Change technology to muslim
Land tech +500
+50D
The same for Brunei, Atjeh, but no Bengal.
event "Champa sends technology to Brunei"
event "Champa sends technology to Atjeh"

Event for Burma "Champa sends technology to Bengal"
"Becouse of Bengal adventurists in war agaist Canton, Champa sent them part of booty through Phuket port, but our manerveous admiral intercepted cargo and take it for glory of Byrma!"

A. New technology is good.
Change technology to muslim
Land tech +500
+50D
Triger: Burma sells technology to Tibet
Triger: Burma sells technology to Lan Xang
Triger: Burma sells technology to Arakan
Triger: Burma sells technology to Mataram



Event to Burma: "Burma sells technology to Tibet"
"Becouse of greed fo money and backening potentional alies, Burma sold secrets of new technologies"
A. Jollygood!
+100D
+100 relation with Tibet
Triger event to Tibet "Tibet buys technology from Burma."
"Becouse of greed fo money and backening potentional alies, Burma sold secrets of new technologies. We feel lucky that we can do something to not lay back to neiborghs in technology."
A. With pleasure
-100D
Change tech group to "muslim"
+100Rel with Burma

Analogicaly:
Burma sells technology to Lan Xang
Burma sells technology to Arakan
Burma sells technology to Mataram
(Mataram becouse it is hindu and stays near muslims. If it would be muslims, then Champa would recieve troops from them and they would recieve money.)


One year later becouse in MultiPlayer becouse of tech group change Champa was for one year ruled by stupid AI.
Event for Bengal "Champa unsuccesfuly sends technology to Bengal"
"Becouse of our brave soldiers in war agaist Canton, Champa sent us part of booty through Phuket port, but Burma intercepted cargo and take it for itself! We could try to punish them."
A. Forget. Concentrate Your attention to home economy
BTV +1 which -2

B. Punish them
CB agaist Burma for 10 years
Military skill +1 for 10 years


Event for Champa after year of technology change. "Burma is pirate"
"While previously was thought that ship with technology was captured by pirates and Muhammed almost finished to prepare new cargo, now it become to knew that Burma warships was those pirates who did that crime."

A. It is time for revengue!
CB against Burma for 10 years
Relations with Bengal +30

B. Does our honor allows not to do anything?
CB against Burma for 10 years
Relations with Bengal +30
 
Last edited:
Event for Champa when it in war controls four out of six (for AI) or all 6 core provs of Burma (Kwai, Irrawady, Bago, Mandalay, Sham, Assam).
"Burma falls to Champa"

"With three epic battles - Battle of elephants, Battle of Pagoda coast and Fall of Mandalay, in which Abu Bakr, Ali and Umar crushed burmeese to dust, fate of Burma was self-evident. King of Burma died in tight strangle of battle elephant trunk, his brothers drowned and burned soon after they one after another came to throne, but ambitious pirate admiral run away to Vijvayagana, so there noone left who could represent goverment of Burma, and so its teritories become annexed."

A. Muhammed, conquer of Burma, is worth his granpa Ibrahim, conquer of Cambodia!
Inherit Burma
+150D (royal treasury)
Triger event "There is no Burma goverment, but still is burmeese!"
Relations with Arakan, Lan Xang -100.
Relations with Tibet -50, Laos -20.
80VP
 
Last edited:
"There is no Burma goverment, but still is burmeese!"
"While everyone recognised that in this situation anexing of Burma was legitime, they were everyone except burmeese. Main reason for that was that dynasty which was destroyed by invasion of Champa was originaly established after conquest of Burma by Mongols in first half of 14.century. While only first 3 rulers of this dynasty were puppets of Mongols, burmeese still saw them as illegitimate and foraigner. Also Muhammed rightly predicted that budist Arakan would surely support and encourage budist rebels. After long discussion with his sons and advisers Muhammed decised to try to realize idea of Usman. Try to buy Arakan ambitius king with truly great gifts - those provinces which he would sabotise if they would be part of Champa. On return he must change religion to islam and develop transition roads from Champa to India, and ensure land and sea route safety from bandits and pirates. This will stimulate Champa importance of trade but would lower Mallaca and Bengal as trade centers. Also this would save headache of burmeese rebelition becouse main burmeese provinces would be in Arakan and those separated marginal burmeese provinces would be easer to control."

A. Offer to Arakan Irrawady and Mandalay

Triger event for Arakan: "Champa offers cooperation"
+20Vp
-1 diplomats
-1 BB

(B and C options will be developed later (also text needed), but they are not best options)
B. No, conquer rebel supporter Arakan, too.
CB agaisnt Arakan for 12 month
Irriwady, Mandalay, Assam +15 for 20 years, +10 for 10 Years
Bago, Shan, Kwai +10 for 20 years, +5 for 10 years
Relations with Arakan -150
relations with Tibet, Phucket, Laos -40
Relations with Lan Xang -60
BB +5

C. Release muslim Burma as puppet state
Triger event "Puppet Burma" in which it turns sunni and gets rebels
 
Event to Arakan. "Champa offers cooperation"
"Champa has offered us strange offer. If King will become muslim and islam as state religion; give to Champa more impact on Arakan foraign relations; allow to station here Champa troops; secure land and sea routes from banditory and piracy; establish policies to turn populoation to islam; later give them small yearly fee as loyality evidence; do not support burmeese rebels; - then Champa will secede Irrawadi and Mandalay provinces to Arakan. Also to Arakan will be given technological and economical support; Champa will build build transit road and caravannas from Champa border to India; some troops to put down rebels and bandits; some misionaries for conversions; islamic courts for provinces; will not be given technology support to Bengal and Arakan will be invited in alliance with Champa. Othervise if Arakan will reject this Champa have enought troops for covering Arakan, too."

A. Surely I agree to be anything for that
Triger: "Arakan accept offer!"

B. We value our independence
Triger "Arakan rejects offer"
-4 stab
 
Last edited:
Event for Champa: "Arakan accept offer!"
"This will start new muslim dynasty, lowers rebelrisk in burmeese teritories and will take off all problems with trade with India."

A. What I great treaty!
Secede Irrawady and Mandalay to Arakan
Triger: "Champa finances merchant road to India."
Triger to Sidh: "Champa offers trade alliance"
Arakan enter alliance with Champa
Deserts INF 15 000
Land tech - 1000
misionaries -6
Relations with Champa + 300
-400D (gifts and courthouses)
Gain Cores on Bago, Kwai, Shan, Assam,
RR +5 for 5 years, +5 for 10 years, + 5 for 15 years in Bago, Kwai, Shan, Assam,


Event for Arakan: "Muslim Arakan"
"While vassalage did not fit to ambitious character of Arakan ruler MMM NNN, good things what came with it surplused hopes."
"Start new muslim dynasty"
Arakan becomes sunni
Arakan becomes vasal of Champa
Arakan enter alliance with Champa
Arakan technology group changed to "muslim"
gain courthauses in Santal, Tarakan, Chin, Manadaly, Irrawadi
INF 15 000 -1
Land tech + 2000
-4 stab
Relations with Champa + 300
Relations with Bengal -30
Relations with Tibet -70
Relations with Lan Xang, -20, Laos and Phuket -10
+100D
 
Last edited:
Event: "Champa finances new trade routes to India."
"Trade with India was at mind of Muhammed when he conqured Burma and talked with Arakan. Already several decades Mallaca stright is overtaken by pirates and this strongly harms trade route which goes through it. But till now. Instead of clearing straight out of pirates and this how only more strenghten this route from which parasites Mallaca, Muhammed established two new routes. One was instead that indian merchants instead of sailing southward to Mallaca stright pirates, they could harbour in Kwai and by safe land route bring their goods to oposite side of penicula of Mallaca to the new trade center Bankok. While this was harder route, it was safer becouse Muhammed developed small, but agaist pirates enought strong fleets near Bankok and Kwai. Second route was land road through Kwai and Arakan which where connected to unfinished but truly great Crescent road to chineese states."

A. Establish new Center of Trade in Bankok

COT added to Bankok
remove COT from Mallaca
Triger event to Mallaca: "We have lost our center of trade!"
triger event to Arakan: "Champa builds road to India"
Trigers after 15 years to Champa: "India trade roads, caravanesas and ports are finished"
-1550D
Trade +2000
Infra +1000
Gain 6 galleys
Mercantilism -2
Land -1
Innovaticnees +2 (+1)
(Aristocrasy -1)
(Centralisation +1)
Relations with Mallaca -200
With Atjeh -100
With Brunei -20
With Pucket -50
With Arakan +100
Merchants+6
 
Last edited:
event to Arakan: "Champa builds road to India"
"Champa now fulfils almost all of their promises"
A. Thats the way to go!
Trade +700
Infra +1000
Mercantilism -1
Land -1
(Aristocrasy -1)

After 15 years to Champa: "India trade roads, caravanesas and ports are finished"

"Long term policies of Muhammed Musa was truly great! In these fifteen years two new routes to India was finished to establish and develop. Now this affected not only South East Asia trade, but East India were directly. Now many merchants did not saw Bengal Center of trade as important and moved to Bankok."
"Superb!"

Ganges lose COT
Trade +3000
Infra +2000
merchants +6
aristocrasy -1
Land +1
Mercantilism -2
BTV +3 Bankok and +2 Kwai and +1 in Dai Lat and Da Nang
Triger to Arakan "Road to India is finished"
Bengal -200rel
Arakan +200 rel


Event to Arakan "Road to India is finished"
"Road to India is finished at last and Arakan is part of India-Chams route. Now its time to harvest crop."
"Superb!"
Trade + 2000
Infra +2000
Merchants +6
Stability +2
Basic tax value +2 in Irrawadi, Tarakan and Santal.
Mercantilism -2
Arsitocrasy -1
relations with Bengal -100
Relations with Champa +100
 
Last edited:
Looks cool. At the moment in SE Asia I see several potential powers:

Khmer
Myanmar
Dai Viet
Champa
Ayutthaya
Laos
Bagan
Malacca

Khmer, Myanmar, Dai Viet and Malacca start off as the big powers, with Ayutthaya, Champa somewhat less powerful initially.

Myanmar may be taken over by the Mon, turning it into Bagan. Bagan and Myanmar have some shared and some distinct events, in the manner of Scotland/Alba.

Arakan or Bengal could push eastwards, leaving no strong state in Burma.

The Khmer empire may collapse, and be taken over by the Cham or Ayutthaya, or both, turning them into big players.

Dai Viet may expand into Khmer and/or Cham, and particular wants to take over the latter, but may instead get battered by a strong Chinese state to its north.

Malacca could forge an empire in the archipelago, or it could take over Ayutthaya and get more involved in the game in Indochina.


In short, lots of powers are possible, but none is guaranteed. The same goes for which religion predominates, with Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam fighting it out. In the case of Cham, maybe give it special events to give it an advantage in conquering Khmer, especially if Khmer goes through a rough patch internally; but don't give Khmer away to Cham unconditionally. Also, a Muslim Cham sounds fun, but I think players should have a choice; to make that happen, it could start Hindu but have an event quite early with the option of converting to Islam, perhaps under the influence of Malacca.
 
Incompetent said:
Looks cool. At the moment in SE Asia I see several potential powers:

Khmer
Myanmar
Dai Viet
Champa
Ayutthaya
Laos
Bagan
Malacca

Malacca could forge an empire in the archipelago, or it could take over Ayutthaya and get more involved in the game in Indochina.

In short, lots of powers are possible, but none is guaranteed. The same goes for which religion predominates, with Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam fighting it out. In the case of Cham, maybe give it special events to give it an advantage in conquering Khmer, especially if Khmer goes through a rough patch internally; but don't give Khmer away to Cham unconditionally. Also, a Muslim Cham sounds fun, but I think players should have a choice; to make that happen, it could start Hindu but have an event quite early with the option of converting to Islam, perhaps under the influence of Malacca.
Click to expand...

Thanks.
1. You named all existing and nonexisting states in SEAsia. (Except that pagan state/states and if added some one prov minors.) as potential power in south east asia. Thay all can not be so. There must be decent power to stay against chineese states. I proposed and it seems that we are going that way cos noone did not object that splitted china becomes center technology while Europe gets tech and stability depression so splitted China becomes threat to in military technology weaker countries in late game (1700Th) as Europe did it in agceep and Interregnum earler versions. So surely there is need for decent power which sits in south of them and is litlebit inferior to them in tech.

2. If Mallaca want to prospere, it should not look on north. Mallaca is naval power (land 2!) and they are extremely weak in land battles. So it would be too hard to survive them if they provoke aggresion against them in South East Asia. Thy must concentrate on colonisation in Indonesia.

3. I have few bad traits in my character. One of them is that I can not look how my work is threw away with easy hand.
At second, these events is not checked in game (possibly Champa has alredy bankroted 2 times... :eek: ). Also monarch file will be look not so good as it is proposed in these events. At first I will write events. Then we discuss them. Them somebody rewrites them from inglizi to english and event script language, then I will play them, then they will be redone, then checked some more times and then will be given to AI. Possibly AI would not form Champa so easely and there will be plan B (power B) which will grow in SEAsia if AI Champa will not grow at right time. (Burma, Arakan, Ayyuthaya, Khmer revival if Champa them will not overtake in right time...)
 
Last edited:
Rise and Fall of Champa, and Rise (or survive) again? (Changed Champa Falls screen)

While in written events is litlbit after 1500 I will jump litlbit and show map of about 1620 (1600-1640 somewhere in this period).



While soon will be civil war, Champa after it will be strong again.
It will gain Lampang prov in diplomacy from Lan Xang.
When Cordoba will turn Mutazelite, Caliphate will send misionaries to the world to ensure that everyone know "why sunni is true islam". The westen chineese state which had sizeble muslim minorities gain them more and turn sunni and become Hui sultanate.

To ensure contacts between them they need land border. As that pagan state is far away and it will not improve lot of connection with most important and developed Champa provs, rulers of Champa and Hui sultunate attack Canton with two aims:
1) Yunnan for Champa, Guizhou for Hui Sultunate
2) To put on throne of Canton sunni ruler that Champa will not get attacked from north but get there (especialy for Hui ally).
It will be managable through events that everyone gets their prov and sell back another provs. And Canton turns sunni.

Inspired by this success Hui sultunate persuades that Champa (but not internaly unstable Canton) tries to do the same with Chagatai.
Mostly it I think it would be desinged as failure or just get few dirty poor border provs. (But if they made miracle then they revive "silk route" and get trade and BTV boosts. But even then Chagatai could return to Orthodox, while everyone inspire by Silk route, keeps it working.)
After that Champa feels very secure becouse everywhere is their frends and that success turn to disaster.
Champa falls apart! As chambani is more culture but not language, and Champa still has lot of wariorrs but no enemies except those two prov pagan states in Sichean Pendi.
Champa chooses between two leaders (starting with about 1520 Champa elite chooses leaders - mostly between traders, governors (strong in economy) and military leaders (strong in military).
So when Champa chooses between those two choices at that turning point - one is military which wants to conquer Sichean pendi pagan state, another is merchants who want to move to south and colonise free indonesia provs.

(Mallaca, Atjeh, Makkasar and Brunei as colonisers must be downgraded cos they takes all indonesia. While this is screenshot from 1751, still they have taken a most by late 1500th...

 
Last edited:
The Caliphate isnt really into keeping the Muslims on a 'straight line' during that period, as it will be busy - we are rewriting the file greatly - in it's own social and political upheavels which would most likely result in a very apathetic caliphate. As for China - the prospect of a Muslim China isnt something Im very enthusiastic about as I would like to see a Confucist state still there, or perhaps a Buddhist one. I enjoy the idea of giving all religions equal holdings throughout the World and Traditional Islam seems to have enough with enough possibilities of expansion.
 
Calipah said:
The Caliphate isnt really into keeping the Muslims on a 'straight line' during that period, as it will be busy - we are rewriting the file greatly - in it's own social and political upheavels which would most likely result in a very apathetic caliphate. As for China - the prospect of a Muslim China isnt something Im very enthusiastic about as I would like to see a Confucist state still there, or perhaps a Buddhist one. I enjoy the idea of giving all religions equal holdings throughout the World and Traditional Islam seems to have enough with enough possibilities of expansion.
Click to expand...
You did not read my last post becouse my computer crushed when I posted it. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Remember that Chineese will get latin group and read next posts. Also Hui sultunate will become alone stander - with no muslim state around, if they with champa military stick or "silk route" trade carrot will not produce muslim Chagatai...
 
Last edited:
With feeling secure and having everywhere frends except wothless mountin Tibet and far away 2 provs pagan country in Sichuan Pendi there is happening some changes in Champa.
Becouse even when some burmeese become muslim, they did not take chambani culture but developed their own muslim burmeese culture. This and lack of outside threat (so nations do not feel need to be concentrate on common but concentrates on diferences so there aperes some regionalism) impacted understanding of culture in Champa so chambani culture changes. As chambani was mostly culture and not language then provinces turn to "laos", "vietnameese", "cham chambani" (or just stay "chambani") while these cultures are state cultures for champa (for few years before fall of champa).

One fraction of Champa (merchants) push forward their leader which wants stop wars and turn to trade, naval and colonising Indonesia.
But another fraction of Champa - army and weapon makers want to wage war with that pagan country.

Choise A - trade, naval and colonising leds to Fall of Champa.
This means that military revolts and Burma gain independece and is governed by that military leader. Army deserts to Burma. So Champa lose manpower and barrack too. Lan Xang (laos state) become independent too. Being without norther enemy cos Canton is frendly sunni (for now) Dai Viet gain independence too. Kwai province, while being burmeese but interested in trade not war use chaos in Champa and secedes to muslim Arakan which is trade country too but with burmeese as state culture.
Champa out of 1419. year Champa, they govern Khmer, Cambodia and Bankok becouse they colonised them with people from cham and asimilated khmer.
This Champa will become less innovative, but naval, and more free trade, pluthocrasy and free subjects. They will now turn their attention to colonising indonesian free provs, diploanexinga and conquering hindu Phucket and Mallaca. At first they will take Phuket (if alredy not took) and colonise them with muslim refugies from Burma, Lan Xang, Dai Viet who will turn back to budism as state culture. (If there will be some sunni prov in Canton when it will turn back to ..., then they will go to Hui sultunate.
When Champa will diploanex or conquer and anex Mallaca, Champa will get only provinces in penicule of Mallaca but all colonies will secede to Brunei, Atjeh, Makkassar and possibly to Mattaram. (But there will be events how Champa tries to take (if they are colonised by someone) Palembang to build weaponry for bronze cannons and artilery for their armies and navies. Also the same with that south Borneo prov with Iron. (I know that map was changed and now there is spice not copper and iron, but as this is place not only getting income for far away europe or china majors but place to build their statehood regional power too!)

Choice B - player continue playing as Burma which stay muslim only for few years and then turn budist.
 
Last edited:
Choice B - player continue playing as Burma which stay muslim only for few years and then turn budist.
Dispite that sunni burma recieves deserters from Champa army (whole army) and manpower and Barrack, they decide that thats is still not enaught and make army opened for budists too. They get one great budist general who after few years make coup e`tat and restores Burma as budist country.
This fallows refugies from them to arakan (and Champa litlebit too) and that by domino effect ( :D ) Laos and Dai Viet which revolted from Champa as sunni states become budist too. After some time Canton do the same and trow of sunni dynasty and becomes ... (??? konfucian? something what is those 3 north chineese states).
So there every one is buddist again except three cases:
1) Champa. IRL they had muslim minorities and slowely they turned to become muslim state but was destroyed by Dai Viet before it happened. So it is very historicaly plausible.
2) Arakan. The same as Champa only they have been eaten by Burma and indians.
3) Hui sultanate. This region has huge muslim chineese minority up till now while their traces is diferent many goes back from early islamic centuries and arab traders. (There is possiblity that they have sunni Chagatai in west by adventurism of Hui Sultunate and Champa who put there muslim dinasty by war. Or just by event. I just think that Hui sultunate with out allies will not survive becouse is surrounded by nonmuslim neiborghs.)
 
Explaining map and its legends



Light blue is country technology group.
So L - Latin for 4 chineese states and Japan.
So O - Orthodox for Burma, Hui Sultunate, Lan Xang, Dai Viet, Champa, Manchu and Korea.
So M - "muslim" for Arakan, Chagatai, Bengal, Tibet and possibly alredy anexed Phuket (and later anexed Mallaca.) Also Atjeh, Brunei, Makassar, Mataram.

In red is possible country tech group. (Possible as for game balance, not as good development cos mostly it is down.)
So while Manchu, Korea could start on Latin, Japan could have down to Orthodox. Maybe Burma will have "muslim", but Arakan "ortodox". It is all about game balance so only in game will be understand what to everyone must recieve to not fall under more developed neiborghs.

Possibly for fun human player Champa by getting less innovative colonisation policies would loose orthodox and play with muslim tech group! That would be painfully fun...

In Dark Green is Religion after fall of Champa. So Burma and Lan Xang already is budist, while Viet Nam and Canton will lose "sunni" state religion litlebit later.
So later or posible religion is marked with light green.
S - Sunni
B - Buddist
K - Konfucian or this kind what there will be
H - Hindu (bengal could turn hindu by this trigering event for Arakan and Champa about trade with India and hajj route what will mostly lead that they will defend their interests and arakan would try to gain some provs in india.
Orthodox cross for Chagatai (they possibly could turn sunni).
Religion for Japan would be one of christian sects (turned from cathilic to reformed I propose) while Manchu could be ortodox christians or any other religion. No proposes for Korea. Put what you want only be concerned about Diploanexing...

Also there is no strong border between Pekin state and Manchu. While I am inclined to turn Manchu as coloniser of siberia up to mongolia, while korea colonises coast (but japan goes america were chineese goes too...), there is understandable (more agceep ;) ) proposes that manchu overtake Pekin state.

(Note about colonisation. I think that there is need for Chineese "treaty of trodessilas" that only one chineese state goes to colonise indonesia up till time when champa starts to do colonisation there too. Or else it will be all colonised when champa will want to start. Lets chineese go americas!)
 
Last edited:
So there is no need to be afraid traitor Calipah (I am joking) that all south east asia goes sunni. Champa will fall apart and its imposed sunni states will turn to their own religions except Arakan which historicaly is half muslim state and Hui sultunate were historicaly lives large muslim minority. So sunni Champa sits on only two historicaly nonmuslim teritories - Cambodia (khmer and cambodia) and Ayyuthaya (Bankok) (Champa will conquer or diploanex phuket prov too.) But indonesia is muslim region.
So I think there is no problem for temporately ūbersize sunni Champa. It will fall apart and will turn its attention to colonise Indonesia and fight in technology superior chineese and anothers.
And as You see that country sizes is good. Viet Nam will recieve Hainan back becouse after Fall of Champa there will be economic deperesion in region and Dai Viet will have poor harvest and famine. To escape famine vietnammeese from Dai Viet would sail across sea straight and change demografic face of Hainan from cantoneese to vietnameese. Litle bit later with event this prov will secede to Dai Viet.
 
Last edited:
I will come back one century to Muhammed Musa and his trade route activities.
As it is all trigered by conquering of Burma which is on large trigered by end of war with Canton, I can not say exactly their time.
This event is part of land route to india through arakan Muhammed stategy.

Event to Sid: "Champa offers trade alliance"

"With developing of secure land route to India and stenghtening with it Bankok trade center I hope to manage that Bankok center of trade will compete out Bengal center of trade and we will will divide trade in India between us. But as Champa has spent a lot on this but you will gain dividentes too, give us some help to secure coast and land road from pirates and bandits. Spend at least litlebit on this too."

A. Oh, yes. Offer royal marriage, too.

Deserts 3 warships
Deserts 5 000 INF
-150D
+100 trade
+150 rel with Champa
+200 rel with Arakan
Gain royal mariages with Arakan and Champa
-120 rel with Bengal
-100 rel with Mallaca
-50 rel with Atjeh
-15 rel with Phuket
+2 stab
Mercantilism -1
Innovativnees +1
Triger event to Champa "Emirate of Sind accept trade route cooperation"
Triger event to Arakan "Emirate of Sind helps us with trade routes"


Event to Champa "Emirate of Sind accept trade route cooperation"
"Emirate of Sind understand use of our offer to them. They sent to Arakan 5000 troops to fight bandits and rebels, and descent fleet to firght pirates. It lowers our expandures. Also sulatan offered to marry one of his daugther in our royal family."

A. Good, we have found wife for Ali!
Relation with Sind +100
Gain royal mariage with Sind.
+150D


Event to Arakan "Emirate of Sind helps us with trade routes"
"With diplomacy of Champa ruler Muhammed Musa Emirate of Sind understand their benefits from new routes to India and supports them on some extent. They sent to Arakan 5000 troops to fight bandits and rebels, and descent fleet to firght pirates. Also sulatan offered to marry one of his daugther in our royal family."

A. Can it be better? No!

Relations with Sind +120
Gain royal marriage with Sind.
Gain 3 warships
Gain 5 000 INF.
 
1500-1515.
After fall of Burma and "Arakan accepts offer"
Event to Lan Xang "Lambang muslims"

"While litlebit more than half of population of Lampang was muslims, Lan Xang king BBB VVV new what it mean becouse of expierence with Sarakham province. As Champa now had new teritories which were not conected with them with land but only through vasal Arakan, BBB VVV, ruler Lan Xang started to be affraid. It was only question of time that military capable Muhammed Musa will attack them and take that province. BBB VVV decide to act first and offered to sell Lampang to Champa while it is still under his control."

A. Offer to sell Lampang to Champa

Triger event to Champa: "Lan Xang offers to buy Lampang"
-2 Stab
-1 diplomat



Event to Champa: "Lan Xang offers to buy Lampang"
"BBB VVV, king of Lan Xang by noticing strategic importance of Lampang to us for control of new far teritories, rudently offers us to buy economicaly worthless Lampang for 400D. What You will do in our tight economic situation?"

A. This is an offence!

CB against Lan Xang for 10 years
-200 rel
Broke their vassalage and royal marriage with them (in case)
+1 BB
+1 Stab
Triger to Lan Xang: "Champa is offended!"

B. We can afford this.

-400D
Triger to Lan Xang: "Champa agrees to buy Lampang."
+50 relations with Lan Xang
RR in Bago, Shan, Assam -2 for 20 Years (easer to send to there armies so rebels do not feel so comfortable)
-4 stab
Revolt risk +1 for 2 years


Event to Lan Xang: "Champa is offended!"
"Muhammed Musa took high price as an offence. Possibly they just can not afford to pay, but war can."

A. O, my...
-3 stab (people are digusted with their king making problem out of nowhere)



Event to Lan Xang: "Champa agrees to buy Lampang."
"Champa agreed to buy Lampang. It will give us resourses to emprove our military!"
A. Money is good!
+400D
Relations with Champa +50
Stab +3 (country has now money to do something for sucurity)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
Back