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Late 1577. "Elections of 1577"
"Dispite being in his late 70th, Abdul-Qahhar pretended to not noticing his age. This arrogance cost him life when he fall from horse while still comanding army. While war mongers at first wanted to choose as their candidate Abdul-Mumit bin Abdul-Qahhar, they understand that moderately talanted in administration Abdul-Khadif bin Abdul-Qahhar will be more accepted by merchants elite. While merchants naminated Abdul-Hakim bin Farooq (Slave of The Wise, son of Distinguisher), they already were decided to vote for compromise figure of army men. Only ulema showed some wories that son of previos emir is elected."

A. Choose Abdul-Khadif bin Abdul-Qahhar

Lose Abdul-Qahhar bin Jafar as monarch and military leader
Gain Abdul-Khadif bin Abdul-Qahhar as monarch D3/A7/M7
Stability +2
Misionaries -1

B. Choose Abdul-Hakim bin Farooq

Lose Abdul-Qahhar bin Jafar as monarch and military leader
Gain Abdul-Hakim bin Farooq as monarch D8/A8/M3
Merchants +6
Lose governor -1
 
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Ahmed AA said:
Ok - Then will be D) option - try to keep it and forget about colonisation and good DP...(RR and posibly lose posibly one tech level for fun)
(OK no AGCEEP Timurids)

If they chose to lose those teritories then they get boosts from refugies. Also Champa will try to steal 3 manus (by contoling those provs in war they get event that they can take those manus and move to other provinces (but paying still, just lower price...) while robbed budist country leaves without manus but with higher BTV).

I will think how Champa will get some reason to fight even if they lose later that all.
Also I will look that there will not be events with long story but no effects...
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Sounds good. I still think your ideas are nice, but sometimes you get a bit lost in the nice story, I think, and lose sight of the game somewhat ;)
 
Early 1579.
"Assam muslims"
"In last 3 decades in Assam province stedely rised proportion of muslim converts. But here happened the same what at Kwai and what truly woried Champa rulers. Dispite that these burmeese become muslims, they did not take chambani culture but defeloped their own, burmeese muslim traditions. It seems that they were affected by Arakan muslim tradition and pride. While this started new Assam textile tradition with small help of goverment and ethusiasm of local muslims, it still was dangerous trend."

A. Use this trend in Your profit

-400D
Gain goods manufactory at Assam
+1000 infra
+500 trade
Assam turns sunni
-1 stab
+3 mapower

B. Ignore it

BTV at Assam +1
-30Vp
+3 manpower
 
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1572
"Luxus life at Champa"
"With Champa becoming very strong and prosperious, its citizens spent more time at leasure, just siting with frends at tea houses of home, chating and eating sweets. This created growing demand for sugar, sweets and tea. Merchants from Bankok ask goverment to build infrastructure in Laos province where they want to expand sugar industry."

A. Help them out

-300D
Gain Rafinery at Laos
+1000 infra
+6 merchants
+1 inflation
Mercantilism +1
Aristocrasy -1

B. Thats their business

BTV in Laos +1
Inflation +1
 
Avernite said:
Sounds good. I still think your ideas are nice, but sometimes you get a bit lost in the nice story, I think, and lose sight of the game somewhat ;)
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But thats the problem. I can let champa to conquer all asia (what player can do with any country) but what next? This mean boring game later and quit it after first 100-200 years... So one solution is make standing events (i have reforms, building manus, religion revolts), another is make event rich conquering making this how it adventure, third is making wars not for province but for some goals - like making vasals, the same religion neiborghs, securing trade routes, - and I made it too. There is no expansion for Champa except Indonesia, to which it will start at ~1600. At first needed to give time for Chineese and indonesians to spread there out. If Champa will continue go north, it is the same as Cordoba take out all France, Italy and Germany.

One country could have lot of conquering - thats Uzbeck, becouse conquered teritories are worhtless. I would like them as cavalary tribes who rule deserts and plains and conquer some small principialities, save GH (Volga would be their border with Ukraine), make Karluk tribes migrate to north Coucasus, try to steel plain provinces of Uzbeck, fighting with Chagaitai cavalery and have Kazack vasal, which do colonisation in siberia wood and mountin areas (plutocratic, defencive, free trade, colonisation trader nation) and secede grain and marginal plain provinces to Uzbeck...
 
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1585.
"Elections of 1585"
"Being conqured almost all what could be conquered and having no stong enemies as neiborghs, merchants candidate at last gained success. Abdul-Basit bin Nidal (Slave of The Expander, son of Slogan) gained support from everyone except most radical war mongers who wanted burmeese muslim by origin and hero of norther wars Abdul-Qawiyy bin Kabir (Slave of The Most Strong, son of Big) as their leader of war against north western states like Tibet and Lu Chuan. Merchant candidate won becouse colonistation of islands of south promised more."

A. Choose Abdul-Basit bin Nidal

Gain Abdul-Basit bin Nidal as monarch (7/9/3)
Gain Explorer Abdul-Awwal bin Abd-an-Nafi
Gain conqistador
Colonists +6
Merchants +6
Land -3
Aristocrasy -1
Mercantilism -1

B. Abdul-Qawiyy bin Kabir

Gain Abdul-Qawiyy bin Kabir as monarch (2/4/8) and leader (4/4/5/1)
Offencive +1
Land +1
 
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Late 1585.
"Fragmentation of chambani culture"
"With burmeese muslims who did not take traditions of chambani culture as did all South East Asia new converts by becoming muslims, understanding of culture changed between chambani. While at first they reacted to burmeese muslims with joke folklore about burmeese cuisine in which they mix everything, later it turned more seriously trends. Laos or vietnameese languages speaking chambani turned to their languages as important identy source. With lack of outside enemy and threat, chambani took more attention what was diference between them, not what was common. Nothing helped dispite strong critic of these tendencies by ulema who argued that islam forbids nationalism and tribalism and takes them as false diferences by which men seperates themselves from brothers. After some time laos and vietnameese changed even some of traditions and starting with aproxiamately 1570th, they were started to seen as diferent cultures..."

A. That will not lead to good...

Hanoi, Lao Cai, Tanh Noam turns vietnameese culture
Laos, Mekong, Sarakham, Lampang turns laos culture
Gain laos and vietnameese as state cultures
 
1586.
Some diferences if chosen of of another leader.(this is with A choice)

"Fall of Champa!"
"At summer of 1586 Abdul-Qawiyy bin Kabir by using his popularity in army rised revolt with deamand that inland teritories would be seceded to him while coastal provinces would be left to merchants. Being weak in military and with out army Abdul-Basit bin Nidal agreed, but only if laos provinces will not be ruled directly by Abdul-Qawiyy bin Kabir and if he will pay handsome summ for independence. While both leaders agreed on this, they still get some protests."

A. Surrender to demands of Abdul-Qawiyy

Sunni Burma gain independece
(Capital at Shan and recieves or secedes to them - Assam, Bago, Yunnan)

Sunni Lan Xang gain independence
(Laos, Mekong, Lampang, Sarakham)

+2000D
Stability -2
Revoltrisk +2 for 10 years
-1 revolt
-1 revolt
Land -2
-2000 land
Serfdom -2
Centralisation +2
-3BB
Lose laos as state culture
+250 relations with Hui sultunate (cos then they have sunni neiborghs who is land army oriented and could be ally. Otherwise they before defragmation of Champa has neiborghs who do not pays attention to inland business. So this choise ig good for them.)
-20 manpower
-2 manpower at all left provinces
Lose barrack


B. Try to keep Champa together

RR +5 at Shan, Assam, Bago, Yunnan, Laos, Mekong, Lampang, Sarakham for 50 years, +5 for 40 years, +5 for 30 years, +5 for 20 years, (+5 for 10 years)
Revolts at all? these provs?
Lose bailif, couthouse, governor at all these provs.
Lose orthodox tech group and change to "muslim" tech group.
Stability -6
Revoltrisk +5 for 10 years
Land 1
Serfdom +2
Centralisation -3
Quality -2
Desertion of all army
-6 merchants
-2000 trade
-2000 infra
-2000 land
(loose laos as state culture)
BB+15
 
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1587.
"Defection of Dai Viet"
"Seeing all chaos and weakness in Champa from one side, and no enemy at north from another side, vietnameese revolted for independence. Abdul-Basit bin Nidal decided that most wisest way to deal with them in this situation is to release them as vasals and let them pay for it and try to anex them at better time."


A. Release them as vassal

Sunni (their all provs are sunni so it must be automaticaly?) Dai Viet gains independence
+1000D
Stability -1
Merchants -2
Serfdom -2
Centralisation +2
RR +1 for 10 years
BB -2
Lose vietnameese as state culture
-10 manpower

B. Thats our coast!

Stability -5
Merchants -6
Serfdom +2
Centralisation -2
Lose bailif, couthouse, governor at Hanoi, Lao Cai, Tanh Noah
RR +5 at Hanoi, Lao Cai, Tanh Noah for 50 years, +5 for 40 years, +5 for 30 years, +5 for 20 years, (+5 for 10 years)
Revolts in all vietnameese prov
-2000 trade
-2000 infra
-1000 land
-1000 naval
-5 manpower
RR +5 for 10 years
BB +10
Lose vietnameese as state culture
 
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Champa uses theese 3000 on shipyard, naval manu at cambodia and religious university-FAA at Khmer were it moves capital.


If player chooses military comander as ruler then it gets 2000D and use them just after to pay for building FAA at capital and weapon manu at Yunnan.

Half of this money which new independent states pays is not from royal treasury (like contributions from elites, merchants, or confiscated valuables from monastieries at Burma case...).
 
1586.
Some diferences if chosen of of another leader.(this is with B choice)

"Fall of Champa!"
"At summer of 1586 Abdul-Basit bin Nidal rised anyway. Rich and trade oriented Champa coastal provinces was rised in merchant financed revolt. Merchants surely did not want another war and instability somewhere far away for some poor provinces from whom they will not gain any profit. They offered to pay for Abdul-Qawiyy large summs with wich he could militarise Burma and get laos provinces as vasals. Understanding that he will possibly will not survive after some coup e`tat or assination atemp and that it would be easer to make from Burma alone military state which he wanted, Abdul-Qayiyy sol coastal provinces to merchants syndicate. But still, he took all army and all its weapons. Only few protested this selling out of Champa."

A. Surrender to demands of Abdul-Basit

Champa gain independece
Champa breaks vasalage

Sunni Lan Xang gain independence
(Laos, Mekong, Lampang, Sarakham)

+2000D
Stability -2
Revoltrisk +2 for 10 years
-1 revolt
Land 3
Serfdom -3 (budist burmeese influence)
Centralisation +2
Ofencive +2
Quality +1
-3BB
Lose laos as state culture
Lose Chambani as culture
Gain burmeese as culture
+250 relations with Hui sultunate (Potential ally feels good geting only land oriented frend.)
Become Burma with capital at Shan
+5000 land
Gain Barrack at Shan
Manpower +30
Shan, Assam, Bago, Yunnan, +8 manpower
Gain 20 000 INf -1
Gain 20 000 Inf -1
Gain 10 000 Inf -1
Relations with Champa +200
CB against Lu Chuan, Tibet
lose cores


B. Try to keep Champa together

RR +5 at Mekong, Laos, Sarakham, Lampang, Lao Cai, Hanoi, Tanh Noam, Da Nang, Da Lat, Mekong Delta, Khmer, Cambodia, Bankok, Kwai for 50 years, +5 for 40 years, +5 for 30 years, +5 for 20 years, (+5 for 10 years)
Revolts at all? these provs?
Lose bailif, couthouse, governor at all these provs.
Lose orthodox tech group and change to "muslim" tech group.
Stability -6
Revoltrisk +5 for 10 years
Land -1
Serfdom +3
Centralisation -4
Quality -2
Desertion of half army (merchants by off them)
-6 merchants
-6000 trade
-3000 infra
-2000 land
-2000 naval
(May be some of these: lose refinery at Bankok, lose refinery at Laos, lose FAA at Da Nang)
(loose laos as state culture)
BB+15
 
Events for new sunni burma:

"Yunnan weapon manufactory"
"Being left with out weapon manufactory except in vasal Lan Xang, Abdul-Qawiyy understand that there is need to built it before weapons which were takan by leaving Champa run out. He choose cantoneese craftsmen at Yunnan and developed there new weapon manufactory with money which was given to him by merchant syndycate"

A. Far sighted choise!

-800D
Gain weapon manufactory at Yunnan
Land +1000
Quality +1
Infra +300
Trade +300

B. I will use this money somewhere else.

-20 Vp


Right after (just that stupid ai do not spend money on fortresses)

"Capital sanctury"

"Living on unstable situation but with huge amout of money in his tresury, Abdul-Qawiyy decided that the best choise is not keeping it so much but spent it on some projects. He chose to built grand mosque at capital to show his army and misioanaries his faith, which was questioned when he abolished Jizyah system, but ironicaly this mosque was finished as budist temple becouse of changing situation in Burma."

A. Build grand sanctury

-800D
Gain FAA at Shan (capital)
+2 stab
-1BB
+6 misionaries
+1000 infra

B. Do not build it

-20 Vp
-1 stab
 
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Events for new sunni burma:
(This event is before "Capital sanctury")

"Budist soldier question and Jizyah system"

"Being ruler of mostly budist Burma, Abdul-Qawiyy decided that too many soldiers are not being used only becouse of their religion. He canceled Jizyah system while leaving old tax level and gained more recruits and some talanted military leader. Most notably from them was GGG KKK, which has gained lot of expierence as rebel leader in many areas. While it bringed lot of stability in many areas, still islamic sholars showed disapointment and bringed one revolt."

A. Cancel Jizyah system

Manpower +10
Manpower at Assam, Bago, Yunnan, +2, at Shan +3
Gain military leader GGG KKK (5/3/4)
+2 stab
-6 misionaries
revolt -1 (misionaries revolt)
Innovativness +2
 
Early 1589
"Budist Burma and Lan Xang"
"Abdul-Qawiyy trust to ex-rebel genaral GGG KKK was vain, becouse at winter of 1589, GGG KKK with his aids at military meating killed Abdul-Qawiyy and his advisers and established new budist Burma dynasty. This imidiatly was fallowed in their vasal state coup e`tat by local budists. This led some muslim army desertion to Champa"

A. Bad news for muslims

New monarch GGG KKK (9/8/8)
Burma changes to budism
Army desertions to Champa -15 000 INF
Relations with budist countries +200
Relations with Lan Xang +250
Gain alliance with Lan Xang
Relations with Champa, Arakan, Hui sultunate, Dai Viet,
Religios revolt -1, -3; -1, -3;
Triger event to Lan Xang "Budist Burma and Lan Xang".
Triger event to Champa "Budist Burma and Lan Xang".
 
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For Lan Xang
"Budist Burma and Lan Xang"
"Abdul-Qawiyy trust to ex-rebel genaral GGG KKK was vain, becouse at winter of 1589, GGG KKK with his aids at military meating killed Abdul-Qawiyy and his advisers and established new budist Burma dynasty. This imidiatly was fallowed in their vasal state coup e`tat by local budists. This led some muslim army desertion to Champa"

A. Bad news for muslims

New monarch QQQ WWW (6/8/8)
Lan Xang changes to budism
Army desertions to Champa -15 000 INF
Relations with budist countries +200
Relations with Burma +250
Gain alliance with Burma
Relations with Champa, Arakan, Hui sultunate, Dai Viet,
Religios revolt -1, -3; -1, -3;




Event to Champa "Budist Burma and Lan Xang".
"Budist Burma and Lan Xang"
"Abdul-Qawiyy trust to ex-rebel genaral GGG KKK was vain, becouse at winter of 1589, GGG KKK with his aids at military meating killed Abdul-Qawiyy and his advisers and established new budist Burma dynasty. This imidiatly was fallowed in their vasal state coup e`tat by local budists. This led some muslim army desertion to Champa"

A. Better stay in silence - we are too weak

-2 Stab
INF +30 000
BB+1

B. Try to give them a lesson

-3 Stab
INF +25 000
CB against Laos and Burma
 
Avernite said:
Sounds good. I still think your ideas are nice, but sometimes you get a bit lost in the nice story, I think, and lose sight of the game somewhat ;)
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I though about it and I must agree that you are right that I bit lost in story.
There will be chance (hard) to get Laos, Sarakham and Tanh Noam provinces (which has manus) back. Only with some minor penalties. Like geting +1 and +1 land in case of Laos and Sarakham and some RR+1 (+2) at Tanh Noam.

With start of colonisation will try less time and prov oriented event.

But for Fall of Champa. I think money and better DP comepensate it good?
 
Right after Fall of Champa (or else stupid ai will spend money on unneeded things. Mostly they spent on fortresses but in this cases they are needed.)
(While Burma and Lan Xang together "pays" 2000D, I think there is no need for those events becouse they are ai and we do not want that they went bankrot becouse of this.)

"Naval development of new Champa"
"As main diferences which led to desfragmention of Champa was question of its policies - stay land or turn to naval and South, now Champa had chance to change its policies to wanted naval. Being backward in naval technology and production, Abdul-Basit bin Nidal with money getted from Burma and Lan Xang developed revolution in Champa naval situation. He build grand shipyard and Bankok and suplies to it from Cambodian timber industry."

A. Great!

-1800D
Gain Shipyard at Bankok
Gain naval supplies manu at Cambodia
land -2 (or -3)
Quality +1
Naval tach +4000
Land tech -500
Infra +1000
Trade +500
Aristocrasy -1
Mercantilism -1
Merchants +6
+30Vp

B. I alredy have shipyard there, but no naval suplies manufactory

Gain Shipyard at Mecong delta
Gain naval supplies manu at Cambodia
land -3 (or -3)
Quality +2
Naval tach +5000
Land tech -500
Infra +1000
Trade +500
Aristocrasy -1
Mercantilism -1
Merchants +6

C. I alredy have naval suplies manufactory, but no Shipyard

Gain Shipyard at Bankok
Gain naval supplies manu at Phuket
land -3 (or -3)
Quality +2
Naval tach +5000
Land tech -500
Infra +1000
Trade +500
Aristocrasy -1
Mercantilism -1
Merchants +6

D. I already built it there, lets just turn it to tech

land -3 (or -3)
Quality +2
Naval tach +9000
Land tech -500
Infra +100
Trade +100
Aristocrasy -2
Mercantilism -2
Merchants +6
 
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~1545
"Perak pirates"
"Pirates from Perak and Phuket harmed trade weakling trade route around Mallaca stright 4 centuries ago and will continue 4 ceturies up, but having strong Champa on north, hindu Perak got accused in suporting pirates and Champa tried to show what mean to make Champa angree. Very soon large predominate troops of Champa crossed Perak border."

A. Go after them!

Vasalage of Perak broken
Alliance with Perak broken
CB against Perak for 20 years
Relations with Perak -250
Royal Marriage with Perak broken (If)
Stability +4 (to not lose stability becouse of vasalage broken and becouse war against pirates is always seen good by merchants)
Trade +400
Merchants +6
Naval +400

B. I am busy with other things

Stab -2
Merchants -6
Trade -400
Relations with Perak +50
-20Vp


So in previous events I wrote Phuket bet possibly it would be two prov hindu state with capital in Perak. Or since begining hindu Phuket state with only one Prov.
Aim is that Champa take Phuket prov. So if it is two prov with capital there, it do not takes it.
In case if this prov is ruled by mallaca or other there should be reserve event.
 
After Dai Viet defection. (and geting 1000D as release pay)
"Entrenched Champa"
"Having shrinked to coastline and having unprotected cities so near to unpredictable neiborghs, Champa citizens ralied for using vietnameese money for fortresses while ulema wanted more expanded religios education and that Champa will have islamic university of regional importance. Ruler own wish was to move capital more far from borders. While Mekong delta was further, Khmer already had infrastructure for it."

A. Agree to them all

Gain FAA at Khmer
Move Capital at Khmer
Fortress at Bankok +1
Fortress at Da Nang +1
Fortress at Cambodia +1
(Fortress at Khmer +1)
-1300D
Infra +1000
Land +2000
Stability +4
Misionaries +6
-1 offensive

B. Build only islamic university

Gain FAA at Khmer
Move Capital at Khmer
-800D
Misionaries +6
Stability +2
Offensive +1

C. Build only fortresses

Move Capital at Khmer
Fortress at Bankok +1
Fortress at Da Nang +1
Fortress at Cambodia +1
Fortress at Mekong Delta +1
Fortress at Da Lat +1
Fortress at Khmer +1
-1000D
Infra +1000
Land +2000
-2 offensive
-6 misionaries
Stability +2
 
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After "Defection of Dai Viet"

"Agreement of Kwai"
"Kwai province was first of burmeese provinces who turned to islam, and this how first in showing that muslim burmeese to not become chambani. While they trade economy and being on trade route to India, meant that they are not interested in inland Burma military policies, after defection of Dai Viet, local elite decided that they will feel better with burmeese muslims in Arakan, not Champa, where they were seen with distrust. While Champa at first was shocked of this inclination of this rich and very important province, Champa agreed to their defection after Arakan paid them and offered yearly tribute from this province."

A. With force will not become loved.

Secede Kwai to Arakan
+400D
Gain Arakan as vasal
Trade -100
Centralisation +1
Stability +1

B. This is one state!

Stability -3
RR at Kwai +5 for 10 years, +5 for 20 Years, +5 for 30 Years, +5 for 40 Years, +5 for 50 years
Revolt at Kwai -1, -3, -3, -3, -3, -3, -3.
BB+6
Relations with Arakan -150
RR +5 for 20 years
 
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