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juv95hrn said:
Nothing set yet, I am thinking about some things.
Might be just, another factor ... hmm ...
European Economy in 1502 – Spain Ruling Both Europe and the World
- The largest increase of income was noticed in Spain, followed by England and Denmark, newly emerging trading nations. The last two also build quite a number of manufactories
. - Close behind, with significant increase on income, is Muscowy which is continuing her expansion, while France is slowly, oh so slowly, regaining lands lost in the anarchy following HYW.
- Countries that suffered loss of income during the last decades are Venice and Austria, especially Venice.
- France still has very high inflation, second only to Poland! Again some were more lucky in deflation events , especially Brandenburg, Muscowy and Sweden. Austria and Poland gained significant inflation though .
- Even French trade is dropping, now we are behind Denmark, the leading trading power in the Europe and probably in the whole world, as well as behind Venice.
- Manufactories: 3 – England, Denmark, Ottoman Empire, 2 – Flandres, 1 – Venice, Poland, Austria, Muscowy, Spain
- Manufactories build in the last quarter of the century: 3 – England , 2 – Denmark, Flandres, 1 – Ottoman Empire, Muscowy, Spain. There was one under construction in Dutchy of Dauphine, stopped when it was annexed by France. I suppose at least half of the money invested in it can be returned to the Kingdom of France? (OOC: how stupid of me to diploannex it while manufactory construction was in process )
- There were some talks about France being equal to Flandres now, but clearly this is far from the truth. France still has a lot to do to catch up with what she could have been…
well, the map and countries are very interesting and unclassic. The most fresh is Burgundy-Flandern as good land power instead of naval Holland. At the same time BRA is extremely small, and without played permanently, can be eaten even next session. Austria seems to choose bad time to attack Hungary, Polish vassal, and now dying because of BB, AI and Poland
Well, 13 countries with far from classic positions is interested for further game and diplomacy
Well, 13 countries with far from classic positions is interested for further game and diplomacy
Tonioz said:Austria seems to choose bad time to attack Hungary, Polish vassal, and now dying because of BB, AI and Poland
Well, 13 countries with far from classic positions is interested for further game and diplomacy
France did what she could to help Austria, because she really was pressed hard. We didn't want to watch ANOTHER nation falling apart (like France herself was in 1450es and Venice in 1480es).
So, as Austria nicely put is, France "called off her dogs" for just cosmetic peace demmands of 100 d. Just to feed the dogs a bit
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Spain want to point, that he can`t be blamed for Venice aparting. We made the war in Italy, and demands were same for the whole war. It was absolutely clearly seen from Spanish side, that Venice is not able to win this war, and more battles will lead to more inflation of Venice, because they don`t have enough finance for expensive cavalry.
Finally Austria could make partly save (so Venice can kick out Spain back for big finance losses/loans) of Venice, but were afraid after couple of losing. In fact Austria just needed to stack infantry at mountains. After that Spain should increase finance as well, and it would go to long war.
Since Venice agreed to return our cores (and we surely used moment for vassaling 4 allies of Venice as planned), it faced AI, that were too much for those Venice. That what i told Adam in previous session - high BB with low troops will make enough problems, so after devastated combats with Spain, AI made really pain for Venice.
Izabel is happy to inform that currently Spain is in very good relations with Venice.
Finally Austria could make partly save (so Venice can kick out Spain back for big finance losses/loans) of Venice, but were afraid after couple of losing. In fact Austria just needed to stack infantry at mountains. After that Spain should increase finance as well, and it would go to long war.
Since Venice agreed to return our cores (and we surely used moment for vassaling 4 allies of Venice
as planned), it faced AI, that were too much for those Venice. That what i told Adam in previous session - high BB with low troops will make enough problems, so after devastated combats with Spain, AI made really pain for Venice.Izabel is happy to inform that currently Spain is in very good relations with Venice.
Manufactories build in the last quarter of the century: 3 – England , 2 – Denmark, Flandres, 1 – Ottoman Empire, Muscowy, Spain. There was one under construction in Dutchy of Dauphine, stopped when it was annexed by France. I suppose at least half of the money invested in it can be returned to the Kingdom of France? (OOC: how stupid of me to diploannex it while manufactory construction was in process )
:rofl: Ha, there is some justice afterall! The good people of Dauphine decided to finnish the Royal Accademy in the memory of unification with France.
OOC: it appeared in the save
, 2 – Denmark, Flandres, 1 – Ottoman Empire, Muscowy, Spain. There was one under construction in Dutchy of Dauphine, stopped when it was annexed by France. I suppose at least half of the money invested in it can be returned to the Kingdom of France? (OOC: how stupid of me to diploannex it while manufactory construction was in process ):rofl: Ha, there is some justice afterall! The good people of Dauphine decided to finnish the Royal Accademy in the memory of unification with France.
OOC: it appeared in the save
Tonioz said:
yet....
Barnius said::rofl: Ha, there is some justice afterall! The good people of Dauphine decided to finnish the Royal Accademy in the memory of unification with France.
OOC: it appeared in the save
noooo!!!
Ottomans, second session
Diploaannexed the two vassals Dulkadir and Candar, but Ak Koyunlu refused and broke the vassalage. They will likely be delt with in a more belligerent maner. Conversions were successful: Georgia, Trabzon, Serbia, Hellas, Macedonia, Bulgaria were converted after some attempts, while other areas refused to. Bosnia was attacked as promised, they were forced to part with Ragusa and become vassals, they later on lost Dalmatia to Hungary, very incompetent.
Ak Koyunlu attacked Moscovy, but a WP was soon reached.
Rebels then spilled in from Mameluke territory and burned the weapon manufactory of Angora. Two refineries were constructed to promote wine drinking and degeneration among Christians. Finally Mamelukes and their alliance of Crimea, Aden, the Kaliphate and Teke was attacked by the other great Muslim alliance of Mamelukes, Ak Koyunlu, Hedjaz and Nubia. The war has just started and will probably go on for quite some time.
Diploaannexed the two vassals Dulkadir and Candar, but Ak Koyunlu refused and broke the vassalage. They will likely be delt with in a more belligerent maner. Conversions were successful: Georgia, Trabzon, Serbia, Hellas, Macedonia, Bulgaria were converted after some attempts, while other areas refused to. Bosnia was attacked as promised, they were forced to part with Ragusa and become vassals, they later on lost Dalmatia to Hungary, very incompetent.
Ak Koyunlu attacked Moscovy, but a WP was soon reached.
Rebels then spilled in from Mameluke territory and burned the weapon manufactory of Angora.
Two refineries were constructed to promote wine drinking and degeneration among Christians. Finally Mamelukes and their alliance of Crimea, Aden, the Kaliphate and Teke was attacked by the other great Muslim alliance of Mamelukes, Ak Koyunlu, Hedjaz and Nubia. The war has just started and will probably go on for quite some time.
Whos is GM this game. IE who do i put in my request to? I think brand should get edits because we missed the first session (which is by far the most important). It will be very hard now to catch up. Slider changes and a little inflatio/BB reduction would be fine. I think denmark should release Meck as you made me follow rules but he didnt. If i dont get edits then i still might play though.
cheech said:
I am the GM.
Slider Changes, Sure. (3)
BB Reduction, Sure. (To 4)
Inflation Reduction, No.
Voila.
Denmark- The rise to power
The last season was marked with the Danish grow of her own economy as well as trade. After some very good advice from our ally in the north the Danish king finally understood the mysterious of trade. After series of dp slider changing and stab hits and investments was able to finally get some income from her trade. As it is today Denmark is now the most efficient trader in the known world. Her merchants’ name draw fear in the hearts of rival monopolies. Two new manufactories built with the cost of 2 to inflation were able to promise Denmark to expand her trading skill within the last season and gain triple from her growing trade income. Apart from that Denmark had a few thrill moments rushing to the aids of Brandenburg to protect her from Poland when attacked. Signing with her at the same opportunity a non aggression pact and promising to remain out of her own business in Germany in favor of trade and colonizing over
The last season was marked with the Danish grow of her own economy as well as trade. After some very good advice from our ally in the north the Danish king finally understood the mysterious of trade. After series of dp slider changing and stab hits and investments was able to finally get some income from her trade. As it is today Denmark is now the most efficient trader in the known world. Her merchants’ name draw fear in the hearts of rival monopolies. Two new manufactories built with the cost of 2 to inflation were able to promise Denmark to expand her trading skill within the last season and gain triple from her growing trade income. Apart from that Denmark had a few thrill moments rushing to the aids of Brandenburg to protect her from Poland when attacked. Signing with her at the same opportunity a non aggression pact and promising to remain out of her own business in Germany in favor of trade and colonizing over
I promised no such thing to stay out of germany. You lie and steal my cores also. Danish pig!
This campaign has gone off to a good start but I doubt I will be able to make it to the next session since I'm off on Xmas vacations. Are tehre many people that are unavailable the 27th or can most play?
I have prepared instructions for a sub but they are quite advanced so it would take a skilled player to perform them well. Any takers?
I have prepared instructions for a sub but they are quite advanced so it would take a skilled player to perform them well. Any takers?
Yes you have agreed to that deal. Not in these exact words but you promised a non gression pact between us. I helped you out when you were in trouble against poland, we both came to the understanding that we shell not attack each other, do no denay it
I will not be able to play the 27th.
We discussed the vassal rules a bit while playing yesterday. The current set of rules isn't a good one.
An example: The Ottomans have vassalised Naples, and Venice attacks it and by the rules DOW OE as well. He overruns Bosnia while I sit and laugh at him, since he's not able to beat me. Not very good. I should have to defend my allies in order to be able to keep them. In the example above they have some magic protection.
My suggestion:
KISS: Keep It Simple Stupid.
We discussed the vassal rules a bit while playing yesterday. The current set of rules isn't a good one.
An example: The Ottomans have vassalised Naples, and Venice attacks it and by the rules DOW OE as well. He overruns Bosnia while I sit and laugh at him, since he's not able to beat me. Not very good. I should have to defend my allies in order to be able to keep them. In the example above they have some magic protection.
My suggestion:
- The vassal protection force a player to attack the overlord before attacking it's vassal. (Before is better than just a vague at the same time, since that is impossible. Now it will be in the attackers interest to make it simultanuoesly.)
- It's then up to the overlord to defend his vassal. If he cannot reach it, or dont' care enough about his vassal to be prepared to protect it, tough luck.
- If the vassal attack there are no special rules. (It would be silly to force the attacked player to DOW the overlord. If the overlord cares about his vassal, he will protect it, by diplomacy or military action.)
KISS: Keep It Simple Stupid.