DSYoungEsq said:Then why are we having the post in the thread?
because that WAS his answer....
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because that WAS his answer....
You want a strong France (judging from comments and actions in game, f.ex. concerning Britanny) or atleast suggest you do.
Therefore, I requested to become The NETHERLANDS. And I started a gradual retreat from France (abandoning BRI when I could've slaughtered those sneaky Englishmen, LOSING French culture)
Several of you have, if not directly said so, SUGGESTED that Flandern should be reduced to only the lowlands (which is, in fact, probably necessary for France to have ANY chance at balancing Tonio's bigass Spain) - losing me 2 of the 3 "advantages" for Burgundy (not to mention I have crap DP's for "Holland")
Therefore, I requested to become The NETHERLANDS. And I started a gradual retreat from France (abandoning BRI when I could've slaughtered those sneaky Englishmen, LOSING French culture)
Several of you have, if not directly said so, SUGGESTED that Flandern should be reduced to only the lowlands (which is, in fact, probably necessary for France to have ANY chance at balancing Tonio's bigass Spain) - losing me 2 of the 3 "advantages" for Burgundy (not to mention I have crap DP's for "Holland")
I don't want to get on your nerves by repeating my question, but could adam say if we play or not tonight ?
I ve been proposed a dinner tonight and if we aren't be playing for sure, i won't show tonight...
I ve been proposed a dinner tonight and if we aren't be playing for sure, i won't show tonight...
patoche34 said:
I'm having a big family part at 6, 20 kilometers from here, and I'm with my moped, and 3 others can't make it aswell, so CANCELED !
/Its the holydays anyway !
ForzaA said:
I don't mean to rain on your parade but I still fail to see why Holland just can't spawn naturally in 1560's or so like in every other game, if you want to play them? Im sure there will be plenty of hotspots to cover until then to get to know the diplomatic manouvers in the game.
My vote was that Burgundy should have stayed EXACTLY the way is was, just like every other nation in the game. I accepted the GM decision to boost it into Flanders adding extra leaders and reputedly immortal explorers. (I haven't checked its leaders file yet)
I don't agree that Flanders is weak enough to warrant any balancing edits, like adding one of the best event suites in the game. Flanders is one of the strongest nations in the game and Im sure she is able to contend the France for a long time. To be honest in comparison to Cheech's demands for BRA edits the Flanderish ones bear little significance in regards to balance. I oppose BRA boosting edits too mind you. IMO you play the hand you been given unless a majority clearly supports a boost, something I feel is lacking here.
My arguments so far has been made as a neutral observer of the game. As England I state that I do not claim any dutch culture provinces from Flanders except if any are neighbouring the Dover-Calais straits which England covets, but probably will never own, to protect the straight and the English main lands.
Also I wish the ones in favour of creating a hybrid HOL-FLA-BUR nation in-game without prior discussion or real need for it at least would state their motivation for it. "Changes are fun" is the only one I have seen so far and although I agree I oppose this one.
I don't want to make this descision on my own, simple as that. Not a sign of weakness, I just want players to feel good about what happens to the game
yes.. it really is fun to country hop for a century...juv95hrn said:
I did not necessarily want to be Holland, HOWEVER it is the most obvious choice for an interesting country in the region.
European Powers in 1502 – Spain Ruling Both Europe and the World
THE ECONOMY
- It is interesting to notice that for quite a number of nations budget income is lower than the rest of incomes (refinery, monarch and neighbour bonus).
- The largest increase of income was noticed in Spain, followed by England and Denmark, newly emerging trading nations. The last two also build quite a number of manufactories .
- Close behind, with significant increase on income, is Muscowy which is continuing her expansion, while France is slowly, oh so slowly, regaining lands lost in the anarchy following HYW.
- Countries that suffered loss of budget income during the last decades are Venice and Austria, especially Venice.
- France still has very high inflation, second only to Poland! Again some were more lucky in deflation events , especially Brandenburg, Muscowy and Sweden. Austria and Poland gained significant inflation though .
- Even French trade is dropping, now we are behind Denmark, the leading trading power in the Europe and probably in the whole world, as well as behind Venice.
- Manufactories: 3 – England, Denmark, Ottoman Empire, 2 – Flandres, 1 – Venice, Poland, Austria, Muscowy, Spain
- Manufactories build in the last quarter of the century: 3 – England , 2 – Denmark, Flandres, 1 – Ottoman Empire, Muscowy, Spain. There is one under construction in France.
- There were some talks about France being equal to Flandres now, but clearly this is far from the truth. France still has a lot to do to catch up with what she could have been…
TECHNOLOGY SPEED
- Neighbor bonus is a significant source of income and research for many nations, especially latin tech group. Brandenburg, Venice and Sweden are the perfect examples.
- England is an overall leader thanks to her low tech multiplier, as well as Venice, while Spain is among the leading nations despite of her high tech multiplier, because of her high income (and that's without American gold ).
- After decades of fast development, France is far behind, "on pair" with Orthodox Muscowy and Austria currently troubled with wars.
- English DP multiplier is by far the best, while French is the second worst, better only than Spanish, but as already said, for Spain it is not relevant because of her insane richness and more to come soon.
- Polish and French inflation also add to the problem…
- Sometimes it's good to be small, as Venice and Brandenburg show .
polish inflation is nothing to really worry about i'm 1 of the few with 2governors so it will drop a bit by the time i annex lithuania
admiral drake said:
Please, do not spoil my attempts to show how poor France is: I had to mention Poland if I wanted to mention France, because Poland has higher inflation
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Barnuis, i`d welcome if you do more changes and post "Spain is evil and leading blabla" more times
Btw, how OE got -1% as vassal bonus ? Religion modifier seems not correct also.
Btw, how OE got -1% as vassal bonus ? Religion modifier seems not correct also.
The question to all:
Is it allowed to edit Andalussia CoT and shipyard to Valencia ? I asked GM, but he referred to public opinion.
Is it allowed to edit Andalussia CoT and shipyard to Valencia ? I asked GM, but he referred to public opinion.
no, if you want to give Andalusia to Portugal you shall have to live with the lossTonioz said:
{actually, I'm fine with it}
BUT, you ARE evil, and way too big.
ForzaA, i asked for yes or no, don`t use the post for additional PR (nice to see human kindness after i voted for improving strong evil Flandern :rofl: )
people tend to think that normal effective development of the country is evil don`t worry, i gonna cede 7 european provinces.
(nice to see human kindness after i voted for improving strong evil Flandern :rofl: )people tend to think that normal effective development of the country is evil
don`t worry, i gonna cede 7 european provinces.
Tonioz said:Barnuis, i`d welcome if you do more changes and post "Spain is evil and leading blabla" more times
Btw, how OE got -1% as vassal bonus ? Religion modifier seems not correct also.
According to economy FAQ, Catholic, Orthodox and Sunii have all the same tech speed modifier.
For vassals I should check.
And Spain owning Italy is dangerous. VERY dangerous. Especially to weakened France. I already see you attempting to connect Iberian and Apenine peninsula
Tonioz said:people tend to think that normal effective development of the country is evil
And where will you take the replacement ones from?
Barnius said:
Ottomans are one of the most centralised nations, so vassal bonus is smaller
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