Spain please contact me on icq, i've heard rumors that you have decided to become my vassel......or was it the other way around?
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While burgundy did suffer, it was only marginal.
The alliance was broken, which we might have been able to organise better in light of alliance leadership. (I think Genoa leads the alliance now
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And I did suffer a marginal (-1) stabhit (which ofcourse pales in comparison to the stabhit from going reformed- but it did have a minor effect)
As a minor change, could FRA be made alliance leader of the alliance she has with Genoa?
...that is all, I think
The alliance was broken, which we might have been able to organise better in light of alliance leadership. (I think Genoa leads the alliance now
)And I did suffer a marginal (-1) stabhit (which ofcourse pales in comparison to the stabhit from going reformed- but it did have a minor effect)
As a minor change, could FRA be made alliance leader of the alliance she has with Genoa?
...that is all, I think
Austria is allied to denmark. I am expecting a dow from you both and so i think pre emptive action is requred against denmark. There is no need for you to get involved if you dont want to though. Denmark though would need to cede hanover to avoid war. I think this is only fair. If he aggrees to this i will respect his claims to bremen and holstien.
We need a clear ansver who is playing which country to conduct the much needed diplomacy. What is with Sander, is he comming back?
France already talked to Portugal-Aladar and the minimum agreed so far is peace. For anythything else I said we should wait untill Portugal had talks with Spain and possible other interested parties.
France already talked to Portugal-Aladar and the minimum agreed so far is peace. For anythything else I said we should wait untill Portugal had talks with Spain and possible other interested parties.
Aladar said:
Aladar, don`t listen to anyone from this bunch of PRers
contact me icq 2725707
Tonioz said:Aladar, don`t listen to anyone from this bunch of PRers
contact me icq 2725707
I assume you are referring to me
. As I already said first Aladar, than to you and than to all here, France didn't want to agree to any deal, however good they might be, before Portugal talked to all other possible interrested parties, especially Spain. I even told Portugal Spain had a nice deal in mind earlier and perhaps could be interrested in carrying it through still...
Do I deserve some sort of fairness award or what?
Barnuis, that was not about of you, sorry, that was general saying
But i will have hard talk with anyone if i know that this anyone discussed any kind of mutual agreement with Portugal, so it messed up iberian strategic plans and friendship. It may happen, but only after iberians exchange their points of the view.
Besides, i still would like to hear Adam too, if Aladar or Sander are ruling Portugal. Sander had connection problems 2 sessions ago (fixed now), and instantly missed the last session because of the work, as he mentioned.
Aladar, please don`t take that as offense, but could you share what MP experience you have already had ? Planning strategy in the beginning of the game is based on players knowning.
But i will have hard talk with anyone if i know that this anyone discussed any kind of mutual agreement with Portugal, so it messed up iberian strategic plans and friendship. It may happen, but only after iberians exchange their points of the view.
Besides, i still would like to hear Adam too, if Aladar or Sander are ruling Portugal. Sander had connection problems 2 sessions ago (fixed now), and instantly missed the last session because of the work, as he mentioned.
Aladar, please don`t take that as offense, but could you share what MP experience you have already had ? Planning strategy in the beginning of the game is based on players knowning.
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Well, I suggest you to all uttur your edit wishes in the Adamo, I'll judge them there.
@ Everyone Concerning Austria, be gently guys.
@ 2 new lads, have fun !
Tonioz said:
Indeed I agree completely, and nice plans those were, and would be fun seeing Spain enforcing them happen, especially since now it would be a bit harder...
Adam, i don`t like decentralizated discussions in several places at the moment, and rarely register on alternative forums
Forget to mention that 40 years of AI ruling is about 4 DP clicks
Forget to mention that 40 years of AI ruling is about 4 DP clicks
Can't say i've had much MP-experiece. Play a few times with my roommate a few years ago, but the connection back then was way to unstabile, so we dropped it again.
I resently join Europa Ruined 2 as a parmanent player. I'm Poland and getting my arse wipped - badly. Can't do much about it, but i'm staying for the experience.
I've played SP for about 3 years, normally spanning my empire to the world as any good Dane would. Never really played Portugal much, so i've spend the last few night playing them.
I resently join Europa Ruined 2 as a parmanent player. I'm Poland and getting my arse wipped - badly. Can't do much about it, but i'm staying for the experience.
I've played SP for about 3 years, normally spanning my empire to the world as any good Dane would. Never really played Portugal much, so i've spend the last few night playing them.
Good and serious attitude, goes a long way. As does being on time and nice manners. I llook forward to Monday.
Tonioz said:Forget to mention that 40 years of AI ruling is about 4 DP clicks
Also, Portugal has some events that change DP, right? Perhaps it was AI who was making "choices"...
Removing loans and inflation is only fixing the events from last few years. I suggest making Portugal at least a bit like he should have been till now:
- explorers not used as they should: give them map knowledge to at least all the Asian COTs
- Portugal should dominate Asian trade: change some local merchants in Asian COTs by Portuguese one.
...see, France is better towards Portugal than Spain is
Barnius said:Also, Portugal has some events that change DP, right? Perhaps it was AI who was making "choices"...
Removing loans and inflation is only fixing the events from last few years. I suggest making Portugal at least a bit like he should have been till now:
- explorers not used as they should: give them map knowledge to at least all the Asian COTs
- Portugal should dominate Asian trade: change some local merchants in Asian COTs by Portuguese one.
...see, France is better towards Portugal than Spain is
oh, damn french diplomats always jumps before you even think about :rofl: Well, i doubt that our conservative "low edits" group would support this.
Spain surely realizes that Portugal lost a lot of development and supports French suggestions.
That's not the kind of boosting I like. I think repairing for obvious damages, like the war-moron that played, and DP changes. If we go into detail, and "what would have happen if they had been played by a good player instead of AI" I think it's going to far. OE have started to help POR with maps in the Indian Ocean, and with the maptrading and random leaders we've got it shouldn't be a problem.
well, official announcement came from icq chatting with Barnius (that is nice diplogames )
Spain heard a lot of times that she is evil and aggressive. Spain restrained itself a lot of times from kicking weak north neighbor. But looks like it is understood as Spain is afraid of the coalition.
Well, of course Adam introduced "no more than 2 human players in the human alliance", but that shouldn`t stop good gangbang, right ? :rofl:
Well, for clarifying.. Spain is not afraid of anyone. Spain will be afraid much time later :rofl:
)Spain heard a lot of times that she is evil and aggressive. Spain restrained itself a lot of times from kicking weak north neighbor. But looks like it is understood as Spain is afraid of the coalition.
Well, of course Adam introduced "no more than 2 human players in the human alliance", but that shouldn`t stop good gangbang, right ? :rofl:
Well, for clarifying.. Spain is not afraid of anyone. Spain will be afraid much time later :rofl:
Norrefeldt said:
could you please explain what does "OE have started to help POR with maps in the Indian Ocean" mean ?
Norrefeldt said:
I BEG you than to edit in:
- explorer 1543-1553
- explorer 1553-1563
- Portuguese merchants in at least known COTs instead of some locals
Barnius said:It means Portugal doesn't have to relly only on Spanish mercy
Spain never offered Portugal mercy, but heart and friendship with Andalussia and Gibraltar. You never saw such kind Spain with ceding this provinces by goodwill