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OE doesn't have the means to project her power much further than Austria... (no navy)Tonioz said:
And that you didn't USE your ability, doesn't mean it wasn't/isn't there.
And yes, I do consider a game where one nation can (not necessarily does) dictate everyone else's behaviour, I consider that screwed, and I prefer to act against that before it happens.
I was naïve back then
thinking that annexing a player nation, or crippling it, wasn't chill [and I must honestly say I didn't think Barnius was THIS bad a fighter ]right, I say Adam and you make it Spanish actions again... My point (and I believe of others too) is that he used a technique that comes very close to Trade Maps (which is explicitly forbidden) to gain provinces.
Apparently, you are of the "if it isn't explicitly forbidden it's allowed", fine, but I am not, and I consider it an unfair advantage if someone follows that school of thought.
I said, "close to", and if it takes some pointing out to keep it at "close to" rather than "over", then that is what I do. I prefer ingame interaction, rather than Tonio restraining himself, to keep it that way.Juv95hrn said:
...I must practice, practice, practice... AND SHOW THEM
If only I could have some kind of a punchinbag, instead of Spain-The-Killingmachine against me
REQUEST FOR EDITING (besides compensation for not editing stability 21 year ago, which I will add later):
- removing Spanish military access to French vassals Savoy and Swiss
If only I could have some kind of a punchinbag, instead of Spain-The-Killingmachine against me
REQUEST FOR EDITING (besides compensation for not editing stability 21 year ago, which I will add later):
- removing Spanish military access to French vassals Savoy and Swiss
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ForzaA said:
Hmm, where does this strange idea come from, ForzaA?
If you pardon a bystander saying something, I would like to point out it looks that Spain is perhaps the strongest nation of this game (something Tonio usually manages to do) but it also looks that two other strong nations can stop Spain, like England+France. Especially when Spain hasn't a leader advantage anymore this won't be a big problem.
Also, I notice the Otto's having some nice mediterrean islands. How comes if they don't have a navy to defend it?
Fine!
Spain would have been unbeatable by both England and France!
In DBD1 Spain was bigger than the current one but kept in check by an even mightier OE and beset by an unbelievable amount of bad events. Feel the Force, things will balance themselves out but thanks for pointing out how dangerous you really are, King of Spain.
Garrrr.... Me scurvy pirate friends, let's hit the Spanish treasure fleet this summer...
The time of the English pirating days might be over and England to become a law abiding nation, somewhat. The English fleet fared well in the last war but way too many young soldiers, and more importantly sons of important nobles, died during the Spanish invasion. England now has the highest death rate per capita and the nation is in mourning.
Spain would have been unbeatable by both England and France!
In DBD1 Spain was bigger than the current one but kept in check by an even mightier OE and beset by an unbelievable amount of bad events. Feel the Force, things will balance themselves out but thanks for pointing out how dangerous you really are, King of Spain.
Garrrr.... Me scurvy pirate friends, let's hit the Spanish treasure fleet this summer...
The time of the English pirating days might be over and England to become a law abiding nation, somewhat. The English fleet fared well in the last war but way too many young soldiers, and more importantly sons of important nobles, died during the Spanish invasion. England now has the highest death rate per capita and the nation is in mourning.
FAL said:Hmm, where does this strange idea come from, ForzaA?
If you pardon a bystander saying something, I would like to point out it looks that Spain is perhaps the strongest nation of this game (something Tonio usually manages to do) but it also looks that two other strong nations can stop Spain, like England+France. Especially when Spain hasn't a leader advantage anymore this won't be a big problem.
Also, I notice the Otto's having some nice mediterrean islands. How comes if they don't have a navy to defend it?
Well, France has somewhat...err...incomepetent generalstab :wacko: .
And islands are Venetian, another creature of Spanish origin. Can you believe we have to listen all the time that eryone is poking their noses where they don't belong - in the internal Spanish affairs - while Spain really did create the whole new Mediterranean and Caribbean
FAL said:Hmm, where does this strange idea come from, ForzaA?
Yeah, duke of Flanders! Where was all the action when it could have been needed last session? You prefered to stay at home with the children and the old women while English men were dying to liberate Europe from the Spanish yoke?
juv95hrn said:
OOC: Nonono, Juv, if you are saying you paid enough for HUGE bending of the rules when you stole Portuguese maps than you failed to convince me. England simply can't just destroy century of work by Portuguese explorers and settlers by stealing maps and taking over Asian trade (no, Adalar, you did not to too good really, look at English trade, doubled since they took Portugese maps, while Portugal is still far behind
) and than just say: "Those were some pirates, England has nothing against Portugal and Spain". There should be no surprise blitzkriegs in those days.On the other hand, if anyone can do it like this, than it is you, Juv The Opportunist :rofl: .
And don't miss the "OOC" part this is not official French policy
They all belong to Venice. The Sultan has so far not tried to capture any Mediterranean islands.FAL said:
FAL said:Hmm, where does this strange idea come from, ForzaA?
Machiavelli 3.
And how hard is it to understand that I'm saying that Spain is NOT unstoppable (yet) ?
Barnius said:OOC: Nonono, Juv, if you are saying you paid enough for HUGE bending of the rules when you stole Portuguese maps than you failed to convince me. England simply can't just destroy century of work by Portuguese explorers and settlers by stealing maps and taking over Asian trade (no, Adalar, you did not to too good really, look at English trade, doubled since they took Portugese maps, while Portugal is still far behind
On the other hand, if anyone can do it like this, than it is you, Juv The Opportunist :rofl: .
And don't miss the "OOC" part this is not official French policy
Yeah, yeah! All that is fine with me Barns since no one takes your PR seriously those days BUT I specifically asked people to shove alligations regarding rule breakings where they belong. Either you come out clean and have a chat with the GM regarding breakings of the rules or I suggest you stop hinting at that people are cheating in an OOC manner since it contributes nothing but annoyance to the campaign. Cool?
When did I say I don't mind the Spanish position of power? It should be England holding it, obviously. Stop try making it look like I'm making excuses. I'll Blitzkreig anyone's ass I feel like! I just realised I can't beat Spain alone and might not get away as cheaply the next time and decided to behave instead.
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Barnius said:Thanks to Tonio, who followed that old Chinese saying "better learn a man how to catch a fish than give him fich for every meal" (or something like that
Brandenburg at war with Annam and Austria with China? WTF!?!
Well, we should have had a rule about mapstealing ... too late now.
But guys, chill, relax, take it easy ... Its just a game.
But guys, chill, relax, take it easy ... Its just a game.
Adam Breit said:Well, we should have had a rule about mapstealing ... too late now.
But guys, chill, relax, take it easy ... Its just a game.
We had and have one about the map exchange though. Please, make the GM ruling how many provinces/sea zones can be exchanged in this turn.
Barnius said:
can recieve 10 cities and/or sea zones.
But as I per accident used some extra ... 15 then this turn, my bad, but tonio wanted it NOW NOW NOW ...
Adam Breit said:can recieve 10 cities and/or sea zones.
But as I per accident used some extra ... 15 then this turn, my bad, but tonio wanted it NOW NOW NOW ...
Chill bro...relax........
:rofl:
European Powers 1564
The newest model divides neighbour research bonus for naval and trade research into useful and wasted part. The idea behind it is if you didn't or don't plan to use navy or trade you don't actually use money got as neighbour bonus for them. The assumption is everyone usses land and infrastructure technologies.
The koefficient used to divide the total neighbour bonus is the function of:
- number of ships, ships lost in combat and ships lost to attrition for naval research bonus
- number of COTs, total trade through those COTs, trading income and number of merchants for trade research bonus
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