MattyG said:
Why should only a unified Iberia suddenly be some sort of lord protector of Christianity? Better to give another tag, unless we're running out of tags.
Just what I think.
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Why should only a unified Iberia suddenly be some sort of lord protector of Christianity? Better to give another tag, unless we're running out of tags.
Just what I think.
SunZyl said:
I mean ... how does the SPA tag confer a CB on all non Christians? I have never noticied that when playing Spain.
MattyG said:
Really? Very usefull when playing them.
Uh... anyway. Must be some sort of hardcoded stuff. Check yourself in a later scenario such as The Age of Mercantilism!
You could rename the current Kingdom of Asturias to something else...
According to Wikipedia - not the greatest of sources I admit but in this case I think it will do - the name of the peoples inhabiting the Asturias region were called the Astures (presumably a people of Basque origin) and their leader Pelayo who rebelled against the Muslims of Cordoba to establish the Kingdom.
His original capital was at Cangues de Onis and 50 or so years later the capital was moved to Pravia by King Silo of Asturias.
This opens up a few possibilities here.
Call the small "Duchy" of Asturias either Astures, Pravia, or Cangues de Onis...
This leaves the name "Asturias" for the greater united Kingdom.
What do you reckon?
I think its much better than using Hispania or Espana or Spain...
According to Wikipedia - not the greatest of sources I admit but in this case I think it will do - the name of the peoples inhabiting the Asturias region were called the Astures (presumably a people of Basque origin) and their leader Pelayo who rebelled against the Muslims of Cordoba to establish the Kingdom.
His original capital was at Cangues de Onis and 50 or so years later the capital was moved to Pravia by King Silo of Asturias.
This opens up a few possibilities here.
Call the small "Duchy" of Asturias either Astures, Pravia, or Cangues de Onis...
This leaves the name "Asturias" for the greater united Kingdom.
What do you reckon?
I think its much better than using Hispania or Espana or Spain...
SunZyl said:Really? Very usefull when playing them.
Uh... anyway. Must be some sort of hardcoded stuff. Check yourself in a later scenario such as The Age of Mercantilism!
Ah, right, then I think you are referring to the Treaty of Tordesillas effects.
This grants cores to Spain on most of South and Central America and parts of southern North America. Hence it gets the CBs on any county that owns those areas, be they pagan or, say, England.
However, the Treaty of Tordesillas can be slept and even when it does trigger, it requires both Spain and Portugal to be in existence (only one of the two, or neither, and its effects are cancelled.)
bombshellboi said:
I agree, that the Spain/Hispania thing would be nice to avoid, and Asturias is a beautuful word, almost Tolkienesque elven sounding.
The alt-history you suggest seems appropriate. I update the country description and the flags etc.
I have seen in a few games (I haven't played many lately where I was not influencing iberia, or at all in the past few days) that Leon tends to be the strongest spanish state. Aragon defects to them, and asturias becomes their vassal, and then they annex asturias, and all this happens while Cordova is having its trouble events in the first fifty years, which in the meantime might cause other freedom-loving rebels to defect to Leon. I've seen it happen, and it pissed me off because I was playing Eire and wanted those refugees and that core on Galicia. And if this happens I would assume that Cordova would become a very militant culture...more like +2 quality, +2 serfdom, and -1 offensive. Turn spain into the aberrated Iraq or Israel, with lots of rebels and (is it possible?) suicide bombings. Perhaps going back to Traditional Islam and begging for the help of the Caliphate.
Not that that seems to fit the general attitude of Cordova, but I felt like writing that.
Not that that seems to fit the general attitude of Cordova, but I felt like writing that.
MattyG said:
First off, they don't get cores as they are usually refered to. Second, this includes the pagans in West Africa that is under Portugal's ToT. Third, it doesn't happen to Portugal. Fourth, it includes countries such as Ottoman Empire.
So not Treaty of Tordesillas. It might be removed by that thing when catholics and protestants can marry.
orimazd said:
In my games, Cordoba slaughter everyone totally in the initial war, annexes Porto, takes Galicia and Cantabria and then... nothing.
They just sitt there.
SunZyl said:In my games, Cordoba slaughter everyone totally in the initial war, annexes Porto, takes Galicia and Cantabria and then... nothing.
Yes, that ongoing weirdness of Cordoba's behaviour.
I have adjusted already a number of values for 6.20, giving them a higher Land, Offensive and Quality at gamestart.
In addition, I have an ai only event that forces a second war in the 1430s, just as there's an evn that forces a first war in 1420-21.
I really think the ai for Cordoba is already war oriented, with a high war rating (80% for the Relcon_hard flag) and ASU, PRT and LEO all listed as targets. Plus the cores. (Not if Relcon_peace is the chosen path, of course.)
We'll see how that event changes it.
MattyG said:
Unfortunitly the Caliphate has the driveto conquer and fight which Cordoba is lacking....
My aspirations isnt to maintain a 'Muslim' State in Iberia - A player can do that regardless, but Im simply petrified at the idea that Cordoba would become another stage for 'grab all you can get' - remember North Africa before Tlemscen?Horrible.....
However, Spain is too....eyuck in my opinion. Hispania is more cool and hip.