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Yeah, allying HRE should be easy given the number of children on both sides. My problem was the HRE getting distracted by so many other wars (crusades, then France, revolts, something with Poland, etc) and failing to actually beat up Venice for me.

(Although if you assassinate your half-brother, the Count of Zara, you should inherit that immediately, which saves you a war against Venice)
 
- Wonders are a matter of time about have the money (only need to be started).
- To land the dinasty, only need to have the power and revoke baronies. The family also have some useful cousins.
- The titles... no need to personally hold the duchies.
  • From Venice, it's needed to grab a county and a lost barony. Claims are authomatic, so only need for a weakness moment (like a general embargo war, the HRE claiming the jure territories, etc.)
  • Ok, you start as an hungarian vassal. But he has also the Croatian crown, so it's possible to plot to obtain a claim in the kingdom. Because Hungary is prone to revolts or attacks, it's not difficult to war for it. The prize is very good: Independence, realease for paying tribute to Serbia, a new good vassal, AND a de jure duchal claim for Bosnia.
  • Serbia... fabricate claims (too slow) or a nice trick: Bosnia is filled with Bogomilists and the Serbian king is Orthodox. Manage to convert and in two holy wars must be done.
 
Actually just had a really nice start where I just demanded independence day 1 and hired a merc company with a loan from the Jewish merchants. It's a quick war with just a few battles, and was able to win before the crusade started.

A quick way to grab Bosnia is to convert to Orthodox through your own counties, then holy war the Orthodox heretics next door (forget their exact heresy). Should provide enough titles to hand out to relatives for the 8 landed dynasty members during ruler's life time, although I also managed to snag a crusade county for one as well.
 
I tried but was unable to fabricate a claim on Croatia (liege was too popular). So I formed alliances with the HRE, Bohemia, Aragon, Castille, and France. Started a faction and demanded independence. Also I declared war on Venice and called in all my allies even before hearing back from my liege.

I won both wars within 6 months and then immediately swore fealty to Serbia. I falsely converted to Orthodox and then declared holy war on Bosnia. Hungary was still weakened from my independence war so I won easily. Handed out some titles to my brothers and then proclaimed myself Catholic again to join the crusade.

The crusade was won and my beneficiary got some land. I'd also managed to fabricate claims on a fellow vassal and got myself a duchy in de jure Serbia. With some hefty bribes, I was able to plot and fabricate a claim on the kingdom title. I started a faction and pressed my claim.*

After becoming King of Serbia, I also paid to usurp the kingdom of Croatia. As soon as my truce with Hungary was over, I pressed my de jure claim on a Croatian duchy. Rinse and repeat.**

*Because of "political concerns" it is very difficult to get anyone in de jure Serbia to join in plotting for the kingdom title. So what you have to do is transfer all your barons, mayors, and bishops to your liege and have them join the plot before he transfers them back to you.

**Not necessary for the challenges, but I just like keeping my de jure borders.
 
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There is a city in Veglia which the Venetians control. You have to battle for it. Using the duchy CB is more effective.

Assuming you have 500 prestige. Otherwise it's easier to fight a war with a more limited CB, and you don't get holding penalties for inheriting, while you do for conquering.

Anyway, managed to complete all the challenges in a single lifetime, after there was a successful crusade for Anatolia. Getting a cool 8000 gold off the crusade war chest easily pays the great works, and as others have said, once you hit the "Build" button, you're done.

But yeah, basically went Catholic->Orthodox to Holy War Bosnia->Bogomilist to Holy War Serbia, but was about to lose the holy war for Serbia because the HRE kept walking in circles. Went back to Orthodox to nullify the war, then just normal de jure wars to grab all of Serbia. Went back to Catholic to get in on the crusade for Anatolia, and that was that.

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Hello

Can someone please share what must I conquest to get the gold? AGAIN, description files in spanish language are missing so I am conquering blind. I supossed it was de Jure Croatia but it seems (because of what I read around) I also need some pieces from Serbia. I will appreciate.

Thank you in advance
 
Uhg please tell me the newst one is more interesting than the queen of egypt one, 80 members take forever but is essentially just a waiting game.
 
The latest Challenge is actually challenging. I had a hard time getting the challenges. In fact I have to start over to finish the kingdom and wonder challenges.
Well that's par for the course I pretty much always restart a few times when trying a new start, so I know what to do.
 
@Wintermute83 All of the de jure Kingdom of Serbia AND the duchies of Bosnia, Croatia, and Hum (you start with the duchy of Hum already under your control).

This doesn't require direct control of every single county under these duchies, does it? I've been doing this challenge in one playthrough and only have a couple years left till 1453. I got gold on landed dynasts and great works without any trouble, but the counter is at 3/4 for this one and I'm not sure what I'm missing. I personally hold the two kingdoms of Croatia and Serbia, the three duchies of Hum, Bosnia, and Croatia (yes I revoked one of these to personally hold all three), and I'm not sure what I'm missing. Checked for MR-owned cities or religious order baronies everywhere and couldn't find anything amiss. Checked de jure territory for Serbia and it's all there, maybe not personally held by me but it's held by vassals at least. They aren't really expecting you to personally hold all of the counties to 3 whole duchies and a totally separate kingdom in your demesne, are they?
 
This doesn't require direct control of every single county under these duchies, does it? I've been doing this challenge in one playthrough and only have a couple years left till 1453. I got gold on landed dynasts and great works without any trouble, but the counter is at 3/4 for this one and I'm not sure what I'm missing. I personally hold the two kingdoms of Croatia and Serbia, the three duchies of Hum, Bosnia, and Croatia (yes I revoked one of these to personally hold all three), and I'm not sure what I'm missing. Checked for MR-owned cities or religious order baronies everywhere and couldn't find anything amiss. Checked de jure territory for Serbia and it's all there, maybe not personally held by me but it's held by vassals at least. They aren't really expecting you to personally hold all of the counties to 3 whole duchies and a totally separate kingdom in your demesne, are they?
One of the duchies in de jure Serbia may have drifted into another kingdom in the hundred or so years since you started. I think the game is looking for de jure Serbian territory from the start of the challenge, not the current de jure Serbian territory, so they would be the duchies of Rashka, Duklja, and the county/duchy of Ragusa. It also could be the case that the Doge of Venice currently holds the title of the Duchy of Ragusa, you should be able to usurp it from him when he's not at war (might be in trouble if he's embroiled in several wars near the end of the campaign:().

And that is correct, it all just needs to be in your realm, not necessarily within your personal demesne.
 
This doesn't require direct control of every single county under these duchies, does it? I've been doing this challenge in one playthrough and only have a couple years left till 1453. I got gold on landed dynasts and great works without any trouble, but the counter is at 3/4 for this one and I'm not sure what I'm missing. I personally hold the two kingdoms of Croatia and Serbia, the three duchies of Hum, Bosnia, and Croatia (yes I revoked one of these to personally hold all three), and I'm not sure what I'm missing. Checked for MR-owned cities or religious order baronies everywhere and couldn't find anything amiss. Checked de jure territory for Serbia and it's all there, maybe not personally held by me but it's held by vassals at least. They aren't really expecting you to personally hold all of the counties to 3 whole duchies and a totally separate kingdom in your demesne, are they?

You need to control all holdings in the target duchies.

Keep an eye on Templars! They tend to parasite your vassals countries.

If so, Just go catholic if not already, and expell. It is easier than war with Jerusalem.

Expect it helps
 
This doesn't require direct control of every single county under these duchies, does it? I've been doing this challenge in one playthrough and only have a couple years left till 1453. I got gold on landed dynasts and great works without any trouble, but the counter is at 3/4 for this one and I'm not sure what I'm missing. I personally hold the two kingdoms of Croatia and Serbia, the three duchies of Hum, Bosnia, and Croatia (yes I revoked one of these to personally hold all three), and I'm not sure what I'm missing. Checked for MR-owned cities or religious order baronies everywhere and couldn't find anything amiss. Checked de jure territory for Serbia and it's all there, maybe not personally held by me but it's held by vassals at least. They aren't really expecting you to personally hold all of the counties to 3 whole duchies and a totally separate kingdom in your demesne, are they?

I'm having this issue as well. Stuck on the 3/4 counter.
 
Uhg please tell me the newst one is more interesting than the queen of egypt one, 80 members take forever but is essentially just a waiting game.

Unfortunately, not really. There's a challenge to build great works, but it just requires that you start them, so it's really just saying, "dump ~7000 gold." Other than that it's just a matter of conquering some nearby counties and landing your dynasty members (there are tons). But generally it's extremely easy: you're Catholic, you're in no immediate danger of getting conquered, you have a weak overlord in Hungary, and the HRE is full of people to marry. It's pretty trivial.

At least with the Queen of Egypt/80 dynasty members thing, there's something to do, and if you're smart you can speed it up. It shouldn't take more than a few decades once you accomplish all the other challenges.
 
Uhg please tell me the newst one is more interesting than the queen of egypt one, 80 members take forever but is essentially just a waiting game.

I've been trying to complete the challenges within a single ruler lifetime. You specifically mentioned that interesting challenges are important to you, so I'm offering this as an option in an attempt to be helpful. I've really enjoyed it so far.

Challenges that had been trivial with unlimited time became very interesting with the time constraint. In particular, the 80 dynasty members objective was fascinating to figure out. It took me several tries, refining my strategy each time.
 
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I've been trying to complete the challenges within a single ruler lifetime. You specifically mentioned that interesting challenges are important to you, so I'm offering this as an option in an attempt to be helpful. I've really enjoyed it so far.

Challenges that had been trivial with unlimited time became very interesting with the time constraint. In particular, the 80 dynasty members objective was fascinating to figure out. It took me several tries, refining my strategy each time.
Challenges interest me time trials do not, time feels like a far more artificial constraint.
In the queen of egypt one being a female ruler does make it a lot harder. I only played female rulers in that one so I would know (someone recommended I turn on full gender equality, bad move)
Unfortunately, not really. There's a challenge to build great works, but it just requires that you start them, so it's really just saying, "dump ~7000 gold." Other than that it's just a matter of conquering some nearby counties and landing your dynasty members (there are tons). But generally it's extremely easy: you're Catholic, you're in no immediate danger of getting conquered, you have a weak overlord in Hungary, and the HRE is full of people to marry. It's pretty trivial.

At least with the Queen of Egypt/80 dynasty members thing, there's something to do, and if you're smart you can speed it up. It shouldn't take more than a few decades once you accomplish all the other challenges.
I felt the opposite the croatia one was fun since it was essentially that get 7000gold before you die, that I know how to do, getting family memebrs is all random though what fertility does your new family memebrs get, what traits, what diseases kill them to what extent are they prone to killing each other. That last thing was massively impactful inn may game half my dynasty had kinslayer when I completed (that was sort of my fault though I joined the assassins and misakenly made a lot of my characters secret sunnis who got burned at the stake, didn't help that since I played with gender turned all the way up muslim sucession essentially broke down completely. Oh and everyone married their cousins and had inbred kids who couldn't have kids of their own.

Gold on the other hand is fairly easy to get, you just do a good build order, make sure you up your centralisation and revoke everyone who you don't need landed, also the whole 5 landed characters did not have to be in your realm so you marry your sons and brothers of to female rulers and you never have to land any of them yourself. You got to reload for it to count foreign rulers for some reason though. Only real mistake I did was I declared a claim war for the kingdom of Croatia instead of just and independence war which would probably have been easier.
ticking warscore for holding my own land right instead of ticking warscore for them holding their land, when it comes to independence wars right?
Anyway for me it all got complicated by that some other rebel held the enemy capital so I had to siege down half his country and he called Epirus Sicily and Poland into the war at different times, on the other hand I captured myself one king and two dukes so I got a lot of ransom money to use for mercs. Anyway my character was 50 when I got out of that war and I thought I was doomed but then I got some really good health events and lived to 103, so yeah I guess luck is always a big part of it, but it also helped that I didn't have more or less run my entire religion in the Croatia game, whilst in the queen of egypt one I as one of only two indepndent sunni left at the end.
 
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