I am lost. So from what I can gather, the special buildings (gameplay features) and the artwork that displays the special buildings (i.e. cosmetics) should be sold separately or else the monetization strategy is flawed?
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It's fairly simple, what did they sell so far in creators pack?
From own PDX description of their first creators pack:
Emphasis on: In the first cosmetic content pack
From the second creators pack:
Emphasis on: This cosmetic addition
So it's a fair assumption giving the monetization so far the creators pack are cosmetics packs, right?
Then we've special buildings that afaik all of them were added to the base game, including ones released alongside with dlcs as free updates, such as Legacy of Persia added maybe 12-14 buildings to the region.
I also think it's a fair assumption that special buildings are added to the game as free updates or in case if some special building it's locked behind a dlc, which I don't remember to be the case because I've all dlcs, but let's say it happened for the benefit of doubt.
Making it very simple again: If you have all dlcs except the creators pack you're only missing cosmetics, you've all content in the game.
Now this dlc breaks what they were doing for over 4 years. It also breaks what they were doing recently with creators pack being exclusively cosmetics.
So yeah, the special buildings should be added to the game or sold as part of one dlc included in the chapter. And the creator pack should be as they were so far purely cosmetics, but instead of clothing it would be the special buildings art. The game has/had quite a few special buildings with generic art, not all of them have their own specific model, so it wouldn't change anything to what we've in the game and monetization so far.
But from now on, to have all the content even if you ignore cosmetics, we must buy the chapter and at the very least this creator pack. From now on how many creators pack will be released with content? How many creators pack with content we'll have to buy this year on top of the chapter to still have all content? It's unknown.
It's not about the 5 or 10 bucks this will cost, it's about making the yearly content more expensive without changing the chapter price. It's also about selling what we used to get for free. It's also making it unknown how much it will cost to have all content released this year, because it can be just this creator pack with content. It can have another 6? It's unknown. So yeah, not great business if you ask me and I really don't understand why a lot of people are ok with that.
Another analogy:
You go to a restaurant and order a simple dish, spaghetti, tomato sauce and parmesan on top for $50.
Next week you go to the same restaurant and order the same dish. when you get the bill it says: spaghetti $50, tomato sauce $10. you call the waiter and they say the price didnt increase, they hired a sauce chef so that's why it's split from the spaghetti now.
The next week you go to the same restaurant and order the same dish. when you get the bill it says: spaghetti $50, tomato sauce $10, parmesan $10. you call the waiter and they say the price didnt increase, they hired a sauce chef and a cheese specialist so that's why they're split from the spaghetti.
Like don't be shady and just say it costs $60 alright. As customer I dont care if you hired someone to do the job or not, it's not my problem. I pay PDX and how they manage their money and what they outsource or do in house it's their problem.
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Yeah but because it's called CONTENT CREATOR PACK it's immune to criticism and concerns, enjoy the toxic positivity.
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Your claim that this years content will end up being more expensive is nothing but speculation, seeing that neither prices for the two DLCs nor any information regarding content/pricing of the upcoming chapter have been announced yet. I get that you're worried, but still stick to the facts, please. We'll only know if your emphatic speculations hold any water once we have more information about this year's content and pricing.
That aside, your demand that the DLC shall be incorporated into the chapter is not what everyone would want. Some people might very much be interested in the chapter, but would not want to have to buy a monument DLC alongside it that they don't care for. In terms of what goes into a chapter and what doesn't, there will always be people that end up unhappy no matter what Paradox decides there.
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I think it's comparable to what Activision did with their 'unique dot crosshair' .... charging real money for a 1 pixel dot on your screen. https://screenrant.com/call-duty-black-ops-crosshair-dot-microtransaction/
charging people money for stuff that should be in the base-game instead of fixing the many many flaws: corporate GREED
charging people money for stuff that should be in the base-game instead of fixing the many many flaws: corporate GREED
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it's literally not speculation, if I want all special buildings in the game I'll have to buy this and the chapter. how could that be speculation?
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I highlighted it for you - you assume a price increase without knowing anything about this year's DLCs' pricing. That's speculation.
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where did i say this is an FPS or an activision game?
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Ok, thanks. So I wasn’t really lost. The argument is the special buildings and the cosmetics showing the buildings should be separated because the monetization strategy is indeed flawed. Got it.
Honestly I have no opinion either way, but I really was feeling lost in this thread.
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I don’t have the same hang ups considering which content is in which package, because I generally choose to defer buying the latest DLC, which means I play “incomplete” games, and I end up with whichever DLC go on sale independent of whether it’s “cosmetic” or music, or whatever… I’m much, much, much less picky than most people.
Granted, I felt left out in HOI4 watching people describe the new research paradigm, so I picked up gotterdammerung (spelling?) at full price, something I rarely do…
Granted, I felt left out in HOI4 watching people describe the new research paradigm, so I picked up gotterdammerung (spelling?) at full price, something I rarely do…
Thanks for clarifying.
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I'll attempt explaining once more. Content Creator Packs used to be cosmetics only. One of the packs adds more to a system that is already in the game, including building bonuses. Chapter prices are fixed and Content Cretor packs are not included in chapters. So by adding basic game needs to a paid non-chapter pack, they are abusing the Content Creator Pack system. Because since they are putting such a fundamental thing in a Content Creator Pack, they are forcing your hand to buy it for a full experience. Thus it increases the money you paid for the full chapter experience. Because now, Content Creator Packs also have fundamental things in them.
You are a human being with rights. You deserve to be treated like a decent consumer. We value all the developers and workers at Paradox but eventually they are run by business people. Show them that you are not a whale, but an informed consumer.
You are a human being with rights. You deserve to be treated like a decent consumer. We value all the developers and workers at Paradox but eventually they are run by business people. Show them that you are not a whale, but an informed consumer.
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Thanks. Sarsante explained it to me well enough.
Also I love the finance reference! A whale is a super rich investor who has more money than they know what to do with. I love it!
Edit - stupid autocorrect
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Thanks I take the well enough because sometimes I think I really sucks explaining things in english.
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