Do not prevent World Conquest

[Cephei80]

Just for the sake of argument, that's a silly thing to base an argument on lol. Or at least, without additional context there.

the silly is thinking you can world conquest in a game where the locals can actually kick the invaders back to the sea or fight you till your male population become and endegered specie. its the new reality , deal with it unless you want your state to become a matriarchy for lack of men who will invade china for you

 

[Mder1]

the silly is thinking you can world conquest in a game where the natives can actually kick the invaders back to the sea or fight you till your male population become and endegered specie. its the new reality , deal with it .

Someone already did a world conquest so I'm not quite sure what your point here is.

 

[Cephei80]

From what I gather from the youtubers who've played the game, the issue isn't necessarily seizing lands it's more so holding them as control and culture play a massive role in the stability and profitably of your nation. Which I like, the player will always be better at warfare than the ai, the issue should be in trying to hold your gains.

i saw a youtuber forgot what he was playing with but i remember he waged 3 wars in a row and then realised his country is in a famine and situation is near critical in his state. he decided to go no cb just for the sake of getting big as fast as possible and did pay the price

 

[Cephei80]

Time? I'm a player that plays beyond the end game lol. I'll be conquering nations well into the modern era in EU5 lol.

The irony is that European colonization was largely about map painting the world to their own image. In the early 20th century over 80% of the entire world was under it's control. Shouldn't we see Europe replicate this? Perhaps one large European power could do it. I honestly believe it is more likely a European power could do this than a native Indian tribe become a global power.

I get the issue people have with blobbing but by making WC MUCH more difficult to perhaps what it is now in EU5 is enough. It's not impossible, I just hope Paradox don't make it impossible. Many of you are clearly scarred by EU4. An EU game i never really played

europeans conquered the world because they had a 70 years advantage over middle eastern and eastern european countries and 150 year advantage over east asian countries technologically.
they could defeat an army of 200k chinese because they had rifles and not muskets , so they had precision , time of reload and range and discipline too . same for cannons . so it was a brief period that the europeans took , those who did hurry and develop in time didnt get conquered like Russia and japan , ottomans , those who started doing it but were late got a protectorate like Iran and morocco and those who didnt at all got annexed .
so you cant compare the age post industrial revolution imperialism with this.
when france invaded morocco in 1765 it was defeated easily by the first city they tried to conquer but when they returned in 1844 morocco couldnt stand a chance because europeans got a technological boost that allowed them to conquer entire states with short campaigns sometimes without even the need to fight

 

[Paddy234]

map painting was due to limitations similar to the countless slitherine studios 4x games with basic everything.
world conquest was easy because the games had a fundamental issue where it make the internal front easy so you keep just expanding none stop in a snow ball ,
ck2 make doing that very hard at risk of implosion and fragmentation , the bigger you are the more vassals you will need the more their coalitions will be stronger than you. so there was balance but in Eu there was no balance , nations dont fragment but they keep exponentially getting stronger. most peoples dont want that.
i still mourn the early civil system of pre utopia stellaris where a major empire would get imploded to countless mini states and how worlds would rebel easily and so on .
internal front is important , its what keep us busy in times of peace , its what makes us to play tall and enjoy the run instead of just 2d conquering and expecting no consequences . so here before you go for world conquest you must know what your population is made of , who's gonna have privileges , can you make enough food , enough money and weapons and for how long can you keep your conquests stable and happy . this is the fun , the micro of actually managing a nation and not just playing RISK.

you are later anyway , your demand will not change this core aspect of this game so you either adapt or stick to older games .

You clearly don't understand the position I'm coming from. WC was never easy in EU. It's always been difficult and always will be but it will always be there.

What I'm demanding is to keep the status quo which has already been confirmed by the development team just days ago that it will be possible.

The EU your looking for will never exist however so get used to it

 

[Cephei80]

You clearly don't understand the position I'm coming from. WC was never easy in EU. It's always been difficult and always will be but it will always be there.

What I'm demanding is to keep the status quo which has already been confirmed by the development team just days ago that it will be possible.

The EU your looking for will never exist however so get used to it

its you who clearly dont understand that mechanically you just nearly cant
you are limited by ammount of cultures you can integrate , and if you cant intregrate a culture you cant core a region in time , and if you cant core a region in time you gonna bleed to keep it and you gonna face a fall of delhi situation.
you say you can keep playing till modern day but do you actually think you can maintain your empire this long ? do you even understand that the game will fight you monthly , its a living system and you will have to maintain all or you will implode . automation do not min max so all it will do is keeping you floating but it wont help you to swim and overcome the issues you caused to yourself

 

[Paddy234]

Listen lads I feel some of you here are going around in circles. WC has been confirmed to be POSSIBLE in EU5 by the development team just days ago. It will just be difficult allowing us conquest players to amass huge empires that will be very challenging. It's all good.

You will still be able to continue with your own playstyles. This is an EU game. The fundamentals won't change

 

[Cephei80]

Someone already did a world conquest so I'm not quite sure what your point here is.

talk to me when you bring facts , instead of "someone".

 

[Cephei80]

Listen lads I feel some of you here are going around in circles. WC has been confirmed to be POSSIBLE in EU5 by the development team just days ago. It will just be difficult allowing us conquest players to amass huge empires that will be very challenging. It's all good.

You will still be able to continue with your own playstyles. This idea an EU game

thats your convinction , you keep bringing "playing after end date" as your main and only argument.
in fact it only prove our point because till now that was possible by 1600 so if its 1600 and the border is still same then its all good , if you wanna world conquest in a period with no content go ahead , you could also just use command consol while at it

 

[Paddy234]

its you who clearly dont understand that mechanically you just nearly cant
you are limited by ammount of cultures you can integrate , and if you cant intregrate a culture you cant core a region in time , and if you cant core a region in time you gonna bleed to keep it and you gonna face a fall of delhi situation.
you sau you can keep playing till modern day but do you actually think you cant maintain your empire this long ? do you even understand that the game will fight you monthly , its a living system and you will have to maintain all or you will implode .

Neither of us know how difficult it will be so there is no point speculating. Conquering the world was never possible i feel in any EU game within the timeframe. I always had to go over as I don't rush things. Conquering the World is only something I really do once. I mainly play and conquer until I get board which is usually when I amass a huge Empire of half the world or more and can't be challenged.

If the game is only going to remain challenging as I conquer more and more then it just means i won't get bored and will continue to amass my empire. You see the challenging aspect only appeals to me more and more so I can see WC being more fun with each playthrough if it's so challenging

 

[Paddy234]

thats your convinction , you keep bringing "playing after end date" as your main and only argument.
in fact it only prove our point because till now that was possible by 1600 so if its 1600 and the border is still same then its all good , if you wanna world conquest in a period with no content go ahead , you could also just use command consol while at it

No content? You do know Mods will add content LONG past the end date.

EU is sustained by Mods. Anyway there will always be content as long as nations feel like they are truly alive and dynamic as this creates ever changing challenges. I don't particularly care for in game missions and while world events do add to the historical flavor it doesn't impact my objectives. I just work around these events

 

[Cephei80]

Neither of us know how difficult it will be so there is no point speculating. Conquering the world was never possible i feel in any EU game within the timeframe. I always had to go over as I don't rush things. Conquering the World is only something I really do once. I mainly play and conquer until I get board which is usually when I amass a huge Empire of half the world or more and can't be challenged.

If the game is only going to remain challenging as I conquer more and more then it just means i won't get bored and will continue to amass my empire. You see the challenging aspect only appeals to me more and more so I can see WC being more fun with each playthrough if it's so challenging

what do you mean we dont know ? there is 60 TT about why we cant mate.
we didnt play it yet but i already saw enough , all players who went to no cb war after war did find out soon after .
the mechanics are clear , you cant integrate all cultures , you cant have high control over far away areas unless you highly develop or keep your army there and you cant keep population of an annexed culture happy if you dont core it and migrate your population there and you cant core swiftly if the culture isnt integrated it might take a century and you cant use levies from none cored regions.
so in short , agressive expansion make you blobed and bloated and you will need good decades to digest and heal .the more you expand the more you go over limit and you wont be able to integrate anymore and you will need a LOT to assimilate a culture and core its lands and you wont be using their levies till all of this is fixed.


all of this and you still find excuses ? thats an insane level of copium honestly

 

[Paddy234]

what do you mean we dont know ? there is 60 TT about why we cant mate.
we didnt play it yet but i already saw enough , all players who went to no cb war after war did find out soon after .
the mechanics are clear , you cant integrate all cultures , you cant have high control over far away areas unless you highly develop or keep your army there and you cant keep population of an annexed culture happy if you dont core it and migrate your population there and you cant core swiftly if the culture isnt integrated it might take a century and you cant use levies from none cored regions.
so in short , agressive expansion make you blobed and bloated and you will need good decades to digest and heal .the more you expand the more you go over limit and you wont be able to integrate anymore and you will need a LOT to assimilate a culture and core its lands and you wont be using their levies till all of this is fixed.


all of this and you still find excuses ? thats an insane level of copium honestly

We got a really from this reply from the developer themselves just a few days ago

Simple answer: Yes.
Longer answer: Yes, you will technically be able to do that, but comparing EU4 and EU5 is a completely different experience, and it's extremely difficult (at least for me) to do. But maybe you're up to the challenge?

Yes I'm up for the challenge and I'm glad there will be such a challenge. Again as a conquest player I only welcome this change. Once I start playing it and working the game out I'll figure it out

The irony is that I'm against blobbing as much as you are. I want the game to remain challenging right to the end. You and others are the same. The only difference is you want blobbing to be removed altogether while I just want it to be very difficult so the game is challenging even late game like with EU5

 

[Lord Lambert]

We got a really from this reply from the developer themselves just a few days ago

Simple answer: Yes.
Longer answer: Yes, you will technically be able to do that, but comparing EU4 and EU5 is a completely different experience, and it's extremely difficult (at least for me) to do. But maybe you're up to the challenge?

Can you provide a link? My hazmat suit is at the dry cleaners so I'm not willing to delve into the steam community to find the comment you're referring to.

 

[resand]

Can you provide a link? My hazmat suit is at the dry cleaners so I'm not willing to delve into the steam community to find the comment you're referring to.

Sadly it is true https://steamcommunity.com/app/3450310/discussions/0/604155654554285372/
Originally posted by PDX Katten:
Simple answer: Yes.
Longer answer: Yes, you will technically be able to do that, but comparing EU4 and EU5 is a completely different experience, and it's extremely difficult (at least for me) to do. But maybe you're up to the challenge?

 

[Citydisk2]

No they didn't. What they did say is that gameplay balance is the most important thing. That's why you don't see certain simulations accurately portrayed and instead are "game-ified"

a 1-1 simulation of the world is quite hard to compute, if the game is following a simulation perspetive no country should be able to conquer the entire world 100% of the time

 

[resand]

WC was never easy in EU. It's always been difficult and always will be but it will always be there.

lol, WC is trivial in EU4. It just gets tedious about 1/3 the way through, so actually getting there is a chore. But difficult, not at all

 

[Lord Lambert]

Sadly it is true https://steamcommunity.com/app/3450310/discussions/0/604155654554285372/
Originally posted by PDX Katten:
Simple answer: Yes.
Longer answer: Yes, you will technically be able to do that, but comparing EU4 and EU5 is a completely different experience, and it's extremely difficult (at least for me) to do. But maybe you're up to the challenge?

I'm not sure the anti-WC crowd really have anything to worry about, and it is not the big win that the pro-WC crowd is claiming.

Technically possible is fine. Technically possible is desirable. I don't want a mechanic that says "oop, you've conquered too much, time to stop". I want organic mechanics to make it so it's in practice impossible but TECHNICALLY possible, which absolutely fits within what Katten has said here.

 

[Zerodv]

World conquest being possible by the end of the game is fine, but it being possible by 1637 is bad or even 1737

 

[Paddy234]

I'm not sure the anti-WC crowd really have anything to worry about, and it is not the big win that the pro-WC crowd is claiming.

Technically possible is fine. Technically possible is desirable. I don't want a mechanic that says "oop, you've conquered too much, time to stop". I want organic mechanics to make it so it's in practice impossible but TECHNICALLY possible, which absolutely fits within what Katten has said here.

This is exactly my point which is why this thread proves the ridiculous of this niche fanbase that are complaining about something that won't affect them. This is a victory most importantly for the conqust fans like myself because it makes WC the ultimate challenge and I'll take than anyway rather than steamrolling the Ai early on.