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There's a Byz event that moves the capital from Constantinople to Mistra when the Turks take Thrace? I didn't see that in the files. I wasn't talking about Turkey.

Is there anything coded for the Varna crusade, besides the CB for 60 months for various participants? Is there any interest in coding something? I just want to make Morea's population be cut in half as a consequence. :)

Maybe I'll post about that in ... um ... Central Europe?

driftwood
 
Ok, first I'm going to post a list of Byzantine army names here. I don't know how many ids are open (although the existing names should be replaced, since they're nonhistorical) or what files to change to add them, so I'll leave that up to someone else.

BYZ;Excubitors Tagma
BYZ;Scholae Tagma
BYZ;Hicanti Tagma
BYZ;Optimates Theme
BYZ;Opsicians Theme
BYZ;Thracesians Theme
BYZ;Anatolics Theme
BYZ;Armeniacs Theme
BYZ;Bucellarian Theme
BYZ;Climata Theme
BYZ;Thrace Theme

I'd say these are less important, if there's no room

BYZ;Numera Tagma
BYZ;Seleucia Theme
BYZ;Cappadocia Theme
BYZ;Charsianum Theme
BYZ;Chaldia Theme
BYZ;Paphlagonia Theme
BYZ;Macedonia Theme
BYZ;Thessalonica Theme
BYZ;Hellas Theme
BYZ;Peloponnesus Theme
BYZ;Cephalonia Theme
BYZ;Dyrrachium Theme

And 1 navy -
BYZ;Cibyrrhaeots Theme

Next, I'm going to write my own Varna event, since no one else seems to be doing anything with it. The only effect will be to halve the population in Morea in 1444. But Morea's population is only 5000 at the start. Is knocking 2500 off too severe?

Finally, do people think that the Turks should have to control both Thrace and Morea for the move to Mistra to occur? Or just Thrace? I'm leaning back towards just Thrace.

driftwood
 
Maybe to make it more challenging you could have a "Calvinist missionaries" event where some of the Greek porvicnes convert to Reformed(It would probably have been very possible for the Roman Empire to be part of the reformation, especially if Catholic), and possibly Roman wars of Religion? Also, maybe the fact that Rome was once a Republic could lead to a civil war during the Enlightenment era between people who want to bring the back the Repbulic and people who want to keep The Empire an autocracy?
 
Shi, that is a very good idea for an Enlightenment event. If the Romantic revival of Hellenistic/Roman ideals occurred during the 19th century, who's to say it couldn't have happened in the 18th century?

My personal inclination is that Lutherans (Protestants) could spring up during the Reformation, in smaller numbers, to fight Church abuses and to call for a recreation of Christendom under the true faith, free of Papist/Orthodox dogmata. But I really don't understand the difference, especially in game terms, between the Lutherans and the Calvinists (besides the latter being more puritanical and predeterminist). I'm Jewish, so most of Christianity doesn't make any sense to me anywho. :)

To the people working on event ideas/coding, should we work on Reformation consequences before the various civil wars? Chronologically, that seems to make more sense.

David: Glad to see you corrected the <cough, cough> typo. But I'd move the date for the Restore the Republic events to the late 18th century. It's going to take some Voltaire, Montesquieu, perhaps some Catherine the Great, Frederick the Great, and especially a tad of Thomas Jefferson, methinks.

driftwood
 
Sounds good, but maybe a series of escalating events starting with the Declaration of Independence. You know, pressure on the Emperor to reconvene the Senate for the first time in (say) 500 years, followed by the Senate allowing the election of tribunes of the plebs, and so on.

Although the French clearly took inspiration from the American Revolution, and especially the Declaration of Independence, I'm afraid the French Revolution was caused largely by domestic events (except for the bankruptcy of the crown due to supporting the colonies during the American Revolution).

driftwood
 
The French Revolution was triggered by domestic conditions, but the Byzantine Empire would have been the most ancient state in the world(Chinese continuity broken by the Mongols), founded in 753 BC, and therefore most likely one of the most conservative states on earth. This would have been a good setup for the French Revolution, but would have worked in Byzantium, too. The American Revolution just showed that the liberal concepts of the day were viable, and let loose a spark that ignited in France, Latin America, and in our world, Byzantium.
 
If Chinese continuity was broken by the Mongols (questionable, given that they called themselves the Yuan dynasty and left Chinese society as untouched as they could), wasn't Byzantine continuity broken by the 4th Crusade?

Perhaps it would be worth keeping track of the choices made in earlier events (such as Church reunification, the Reformation, and the civil wars) to determine how conservative the empire was by the time the late 18th century rolls around. Perhaps those upheavals had caused the empire to become more forward-looking and innovative.

driftwood
 
Originally posted by driftwood
If Chinese continuity was broken by the Mongols (questionable, given that they called themselves the Yuan dynasty and left Chinese society as untouched as they could), wasn't Byzantine continuity broken by the 4th Crusade?
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They formed states in exile, i.e. Trabzon, Nicea, Epirus (sp?), and eventually retook Constantinople.

And I favor more negative evets for the Byzantines.... Political woes, economic troubles, piracy, the whole works! MUWHAHAHAHA! :evil
 
The Reason why Calvinists(Reformed) would be more likely then the Lutherans to spread to the Roman Empire would be that the Calvinists were a bit more fanatic about spreading their faith. Calvinism became a militant religion that spread all over, whereas Lutheranism for the most part stayed confined to Northern Germany and Scandinavia.
 
No, in fact Trabizon(sp) could arguably have been the oldest state in Europe when it fell. We're talking about political continuity. The 3 states in exile, I guess, all held an identical claim on the Byzantine mantle, and, as successor states, all held continuity until conquered. The Yuan/Mongol era was under foreign domination. Would you consider Ottoman control of Greece part of a Greek empire's continuity if the Ottomans changed their name?
 
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Eh ... now I'm confused. Are you arguing on my side or against me? :) The political continuity of the successor states was only mildly legitimate, though. The monarchs were 2nd tier generals, pontiffs, and grandsons of legitimate political figures. Since continuity at the 2nd tier continued during the Yuan occupation among the Sung elites, who were to power the Ming resistance a century later, I still make a similar argument. I would grant the Greeks political continuity if, 20 years after arriving, the Ottomans had spoken Greek, used the Greek alphabet, dressed like Greeks, become Orthodox Christians, etc.

Ok, with that out of the way: my events are ready for beta distribution. The bug-typo hindering the Fall of Constantinople event has been <ahem> rectified. I haven't really survived long enough to check the later events (it's fairly hard, and the new events certainly don't help), so some anxious betatesters are needed!

Key points -

* Constantinople can now fall in any year

The Turks are very aggressive now, and I'd rather have the correct historic consequences of the taking of Constantinople (even if it's in 1420) then have to wait until 1453.

* Loans are only 100D until you reach the Byzantine Renaissance event (good luck)

Byzantine credit, especially after the pawning of the crown jewels, wasn't so hot.

* There's a chance to inherit the Duchy of Athens in 1435

It's not the #1 choice, so don't count on it happening, though. You could hold off conquering it until then, but it's certainly the most tempting target.

* The revolts in 1421 don't faze the Turks

The tweaks to the Ottoman morale seem to make them win every time (assuming they're not fighting with you in 1421 anyway).

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Email me at louiskoplin@yahoo.com, and I'll send out the zip to whoever wants until we get an EEP/AON/EGC site up and running.

edit: On second thought, perhaps you should PM me instead. I need a reason to figure out how that works.

driftwood
 
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Perhaps you should send a PM with the army names and person names to paradox or the mods on this forum. To get their attention see.
 
Oh, I was just going to pester Fate into putting them in the EGC. I assume that Paradox will periodically import well-tested and -balanced portions of the EGC into the regular game as patches. But I suppose I could take some more aggressive action. Or not ... where are my tea leaves? :D

driftwood
 
He's organzing the EGC. Check out the EU2 IGC thread (it was later renamed the EGC). And on one of the other current threads Jools (I think) revealed the we have web space that should be available any day now.

You may consider my PM box checked. :)

driftwood
 
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