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San François Xavier in the Far East

This is my first attempt at the EEP forum, and I really don't have much idea if something like this has been proposed, nor if it is possible at all.

San Francisco de Javier was a navarrese monk that was sent to India as missionary from Portugal, and he did an awesome work (arguable on some points, but notable). It has been said that he converted hundred of thousands to the catholicism...More reliable sources accept that he gave christian baptism to at least some 40000 people in India, Malacca and Japan.


In the game he's curiously represented as a portuguese conquistador :))?) named Francois-Xavier

What I wonder is if sending a missionary is one of the possible commands in any given event.



[EDIT: gosh, just checked Havard's excellent site and seen that there's no "send missionary" command...San Francisco out :(]



If so, there could be a series of "sending missionary for free" events for Portugal, with the condition of Francois-Xavier (as he's named in the game) being alive, and Portugal knowing these provinces:

Goa
Cochin
Kerala
Malacca
Kyushu

For example: If Francois-Xavier is alive AND Goa is known to Portugal, Portugal can send a free missionary to Goa, etc (and identhical events for Cochin, Kerala, Malacca and Kyushu)


It is very unlikely that these missionaries will succeed, but if they would be? In Japan the Jesuites achieved some success, and in the end some turmoil

If sending a missionary is one of the possible commands in any event, I think this will make for some "flavored" portuguese events (and some surprises for some far eastern countries)
 
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I don't know if this has been asked but...

In playing Granada I noticed a few things, one is that no matter how well you do you still get Castille's puppet king Muhammed the 12th. I owned half of Iberia and still got this monarch. I believe there should be an event of some nature, because in history the noble was captured and put on the throne.

Also I noticed other things that were discussed was the fact that the Christians weren't that mad at Granada. I have not seen a game yet were relations were not -200...
 
I think everybody has forgot, there is a fail in aragonesse monarch file, one real king was out, and habsburgs was the descendents while they would be castilian ones:confused: here is a better list:

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04170 }
startdate = {
year = 1416
}
deathdate = {
day = 27
month = june
year = 1458
}
name = "Alfonso V"
DIP = 6
MIL = 9
ADM = 5
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04171 }
startdate = {
day = 27
month = june
year = 1458
}
deathdate = {
month = january
year = 1479
}
name = "Juan II"
DIP = 7
MIL = 6
ADM = 4
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04228 }
startdate = {
month = february
year = 1479
}
deathdate = {
day = 23
month = january
year = 1516
}
name = "Fernando II"
DIP = 8
MIL = 8
ADM = 6
dormant = no
remark = "Also, Fernando V of Castille, III of Naples, II of Sicily and I of Spain."
}

# The rest are ficticial Kings.

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04204 }
startdate = {
day = 24
month = january
year = 1516
}
deathdate = {
year = 1556
}
name = "Juan III *"
DIP = 5
ADM = 4
MIL = 5
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04206 }
startdate = {
year = 1556
}
deathdate = {
year = 1600
}
name = "Fernando III *"
DIP = 6
ADM = 7
MIL = 7
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04207 }
startdate = {
year = 1600
}
deathdate = {
year = 1641
}
name = "Jaime III *"
DIP = 6
ADM = 6
MIL = 6
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04208 }
startdate = {
year = 1641
}
deathdate = {
year = 1685
}
name = "Jaime IV *"
DIP = 6
ADM = 5
MIL = 3
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04209 }
startdate = {
year = 1685
}
deathdate = {
year = 1710
}
name = "Fernando IV *"
DIP = 7
ADM = 7
MIL = 6
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04210 }
startdate = {
year = 1710
}
deathdate = {
year = 1756
}
name = "Juan IV *"
DIP = 5
ADM = 7
MIL = 6
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04211 }
startdate = {
year = 1756
}
deathdate = {
year = 1799
}
name = "Alfonso VI *"
DIP = 4
ADM = 4
MIL = 5
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04212 }
startdate = {
year = 1799
}
deathdate = {
year = 1830
}
name = "Pedro V *"
DIP = 5
ADM = 3
MIL = 5
dormant = no
}
 
and here the castilian ones:

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04200 }
startdate = {
year = 1406
}
deathdate = {
day = 20
month = july
year = 1454
}
name = "Juan II"
DIP = 4
MIL = 5
ADM = 4
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04201 }
startdate = {
day = 20
month = july
year = 1454
}
deathdate = {
day = 11
month = december
year = 1474
}
name = "Enrique IV"
DIP = 2
MIL = 3
ADM = 2
dormant = no
remark = "el Impotente"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04202 }
startdate = {
day = 11
month = december
year = 1474
}
deathdate = {
day = 26
month = november
year = 1504
}
name = "Isabel I"
DIP = 9
MIL = 5
ADM = 8
dormant = no
remark = "Union with Aragon in 1479"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04203 }
startdate = {
day = 26
month = november
year = 1504
}
deathdate = {
day = 25
month = september
year = 1506
}
name = "Felipe I & Juana I"
DIP = 3
MIL = 2
ADM = 3
dormant = no
remark = "'el Hermoso', and Juana 'la Loca'"
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04182 }
startdate = {
day = 26
month = september
year = 1506
}
deathdate = {
day = 23
month = january
year = 1516
}
name = "Cardenal Cisneros"
DIP = 3
MIL = 6
ADM = 6
dormant = no
}

# The rest are historical.

historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04172 }
startdate = {
year = 1516
month = january
day = 24
}
deathdate = {
year = 1556
month = september
day = 30
}
name = "Carlos I"
DIP = 6
ADM = 9
MIL = 8
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04173 }
startdate = {
year = 1556
month = october
day = 1
}
deathdate = {
year = 1598
month = september
day = 13
}
name = "Felipe II"
DIP = 6
ADM = 7
MIL = 7
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04174 }
startdate = {
year = 1598
month = september
day = 14
}
deathdate = {
year = 1621
month = march
day = 31
}
name = "Felipe III"
DIP = 4
ADM = 5
MIL = 4
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04175 }
startdate = {
year = 1621
month = april
day = 1
}
deathdate = {
year = 1665
month = september
day = 17
}
name = "Felipe IV"
DIP = 7
ADM = 6
MIL = 3
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04176 }
startdate = {
year = 1665
month = september
day = 18
}
deathdate = {
year = 1700
month = november
day = 1
}
name = "Carlos II"
DIP = 2
ADM = 2
MIL = 2
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04177 }
startdate = {
year = 1700
month = november
day = 2
}
deathdate = {
year = 1746
month = july
day = 9
}
name = "Felipe V"
DIP = 4
ADM = 4
MIL = 6
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04178 }
startdate = {
year = 1746
month = july
day = 10
}
deathdate = {
year = 1759
month = august
day = 10
}
name = "Fernando VI"
DIP = 3
ADM = 3
MIL = 5
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04179 }
startdate = {
year = 1759
month = august
day = 11
}
deathdate = {
year = 1788
month = december
day = 14
}
name = "Carlos III"
DIP = 4
ADM = 4
MIL = 4
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04180 }
startdate = {
year = 1788
month = december
day = 15
}
deathdate = {
year = 1808
month = january
day = 20
}
name = "Carlos IV"
DIP = 4
ADM = 2
MIL = 6
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 04181 }
startdate = {
year = 1808
month = january
day = 20
}
deathdate = {
year = 1833
month = september
day = 29
}
name = "Fernando VII"
DIP = 6
ADM = 4
MIL = 4
dormant = no
}
 
Also Castile should have only CB shields over its territorie and Granada, and win some cb shields by events like this:

Iberia should have three cultures: Castilian, Portuguesse and Catalan

event = {
id = xxxx

random = no
country = CAS
name = "the Iberian weeding"
desc = "Isabel heiress of Castilian throne was asked to look for a husband and she switch Fernando"
style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1469 }
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1469 }
offset = 58
action_a = {
name = "Marry Fernando de Aragon"
command = { type = addcore which = 430 }
command = { type = addcore which = 429 }
command = { type = addcore which = 427 }
command = { type = addcore which = 426 }
command = { type = addcore which = 437 }
command = { type = addcore which = 395 }
command = { type = addcore which = 396 }
command = { type = addcore which = 397 }
command = { type = addcore which = 821 }
command = { type = addcore which = 819 }
command = { type = relation which = ARG value = +200 }
command = { type = relation which = POR value = -150 }
command = { type = vassal which = ARG }
command = { type = alliance which = ARG }
command = { type = add_countryculture which = Catalan }
}
action_b = {
name = "Marry Alfonso V de Portugal"
command = { type = addcore which = 441 }
command = { type = addcore which = 434 }
command = { type = addcore which = 442 }
command = { type = addcore which = 823 }
command = { type = relation which = POR value = +200 }
command = { type = relation which = ARG value = -100 }
command = { type = vassal which = POR }
command = { type = add_countryculture which = Portuguesse }
}
}
 
Are there triggers to Core Provinces??
 
Would it be possible to add all the leader/event files to Castille, in the event you want to keep the name Castille? Maybe some event for Aragon to get the spanish leaders/events if they conquers castille, but want to keep the old name also..how about it?
 
Re: San François Xavier in the Far East

Originally posted by Chema_Cagi
San Francisco de Javier was a navarrese monk that was sent to India as ...
In the game he's curiously represented as a portuguese conquistador named Francois-Xavier. What I wonder is if sending a missionary is one of the possible commands in any given event.
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San Francisco Javier a Conquistator :confused: and why is called Fraçois-Xavier, i'm afraid it is based in french document, should be called Francisco Javier, and why not having Spain a militar leader Called Ignacio(or Iñigo) de Loyola?? :D
 
Originally posted by Galleblære
Would it be possible to add all the leader/event files to Castille, in the event you want to keep the name Castille? Maybe some event for Aragon to get the spanish leaders/events if they conquers castille, but want to keep the old name also..how about it?
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I tried to track down the birth places of the Spainish explorers and conquistadors to divide them between Aragon and Castile if Spain doesn't form and came up with the following.

Castillian:
V.Yáñez Pinzón
Juan de la Cosa
Juan Díaz de Solís
Núñez de Balboa
Ponce de León
Hernán Cortés
Francisco Pizarro
Hernando de Soto
Sarmiento Gamboa
Sebastián Vizcaíno

Navarrese:
J.Sebastián Elcano

Aragonese:
none!!

Non-Spanish:
Christofo Colon
Amerigo Vespucci
Fernando Magallanes

Unknown:
Alonso de Ojeda
Jofre de Loaisa
Francisco de Montejo
Cabeza de Vaca
Saavedra Cerón
Pánfilo de Narváez
Nuño de Guzmán
Hernando de Grijalva
Pedro de Mendoza
Jiménez Quesada
Vázquez Coronado
Pedro de Valdivia
Francisco de Orellana
Lope de Aguirre
Juan de Oñate
Váez de Torres
Silvestre de Escalante (Should be a conquistador, explored SW USA)
Gaspar de Portolá

Most of the explorers I could find info on came from Andalusia, and most of the conquistadors from Extremadurra.
 
Thats cool!

Here are my thoughts:

Spain forms without Aragon: As before

Castille keeps name, forms annexes Aragorn: Gets all leaders, events, monarch files of Spain.

For the player maybe:

Aragon annexes Castille, but chooses not to become spain: Gets all leaders, events, monarch files etc from Spain

Is this possible?

IMO, its more realistic, and prmotes some interesting unhistorical choices, which of course the hardcore hisotrian will hate!
 
Originally posted by Galleblære
Thats cool!

Here are my thoughts:

Spain forms without Aragon: As before

Castille keeps name, forms annexes Aragorn: Gets all leaders, events, monarch files of Spain.

For the player maybe:

Aragon annexes Castille, but chooses not to become spain: Gets all leaders, events, monarch files etc from Spain

Is this possible?

IMO, its more realistic, and prmotes some interesting unhistorical choices, which of course the hardcore hisotrian will hate!
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It's (partly) possible, but requires the events, leaders and monarchs to be duplicated for all countries with unique ids...

I don't see why this should be done for monarchs though... If Aragon had conquered Castile - why would they choose the Castillan royals?

It will not be possible (at least not doable) with the events. Since there are numerous events tied in to Spain for other countries all of these must be duplicated, edited and so forth - That's a lot of events...
 
Originally posted by Gorion


Elcano was from Guetaria. That's in Castile-Leon
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I thought Guetaria = Guethary in Bearn.
 
Supporting the dead guy

I was playing as castile and the civil war event popped up...well low and behold, the population must really loveÁlvaro de Luna...they were willing to support him even after he'd been killed in Algiers several years before...

*sob* that's so touching to find people will support you in a war to make you their leader even when your long dead. *sob*
 
Re: Re: San François Xavier in the Far East

Originally posted by Txini


San Francisco Javier a Conquistator :confused: and why is called Fraçois-Xavier, i'm afraid it is based in french document, should be called Francisco Javier, and why not having Spain a militar leader Called Ignacio(or Iñigo) de Loyola?? :D
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It's Francisco Xavier in Portuguese. If you switch it to Javier then turn Magallanes to Magalhães.
 
Re: Re: Re: San François Xavier in the Far East

Originally posted by DuquedeBraganca
It's Francisco Xavier in Portuguese. If you switch it to Javier then turn Magallanes to Magalhães.
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well but at least he should be Francisco and no Francois
 
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