EEP West Europe

[Johnny Canuck]

I've scripted out the five Anglo-Irish events I mentioned above, plus adjusted the "Cromwell and the Republic" event to take account of the Anglo-Irish events. So far, I've tested the first ("The Plantations of Ireland"), but I may not be able to test the later ones, as my computer is horribly slow (P200 64 mb RAM). Should I post them here, or e-mail them somewhere? Thanks!

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by Johnny Canuck
I've scripted out the five Anglo-Irish events I mentioned above, plus adjusted the "Cromwell and the Republic" event to take account of the Anglo-Irish events. So far, I've tested the first ("The Plantations of Ireland"), but I may not be able to test the later ones, as my computer is horribly slow (P200 64 mb RAM). Should I post them here, or e-mail them somewhere? Thanks!

Acording to the info on the first post this should be sendt to EEP threadmaster Surcouf (mogwai666@ifrance.com) for coordination. You could post them here for review?

btw. You can test events before trigger time by using F12 - event <event id>.

 

[Jools]

Originally posted by Havard


Acording to the info on the first post this should be sendt to EEP threadmaster Surcouf (mogwai666@ifrance.com) for coordination. You could post them here for review?

btw. You can test events before trigger time by using F12 - event <event id>.

Correction: Testing first, then sending to threadmaster. Thank you.

Johnny, I think you are testing the first EEP event! Congrats

 

[Johnny Canuck]

Originally posted by Havard
btw. You can test events before trigger time by using F12 - event <event id>.

Thanks! That will very much help things. At four years an hour, it would have taken me a long time to get to 1801!

I'll test the events later this evening. There is one more change I might need to make to make sure it operates realistically (I posted a question in the "free scripting lesson" thread), and as soon as they're ready I'll e-mail them to Surcouf.

In the next couple of days, I'll probably also script out a few more events for England. I'm waiting for the new Event Manual to check a couple of things. These are the events, any suggestions or ideas would be very helpful:

Samuel Pepys at the Admiralty (1673)
Sir William Blackstone's Law (1765)
The Peterloo Massacre (1819)
The Gunpowder Plot (1605)
John Wilkes (1770)
The South Seas Bubble (1720)

 

[Dark Knight]

Originally posted by Jools
But this is only for Venice...
I was thinking that for a unified ITaly you'd need the entire peninsula and Lombardia, Mediolan and Mantua.

You need a separate event for each country. This was the one for Venice; I didn't think it was necessary to post events for every single country .

I don't think it should be necessary to possess every single province (seeing as historically Italy at first lacked Savoie, Corsica, Roma, and Veneto). I thought that instead of forcing possession of a specific province on a player (after all, if someone had every Italian province except Piedmont, for example, this shouldn't stop them from creating Italy), it would make more sense to require possession of one province in six different two-province regions plus one of the other provinces. This would effectively require possession of a majority of Italian provinces located all throughout Italy; in practice I'd expect a country to control most of Italy before these requirements are met.

 

[unmerged(6164)]

Do you think there should be any differations in how Italy would form depending on who did the unifying(i.e.: A pope controlled italy, or secular italy, etc.) I would think that would make some sense to do it that way. Also, perhaps alter relations or DP depending on if say, the Napolian Spanish lackey govt. runs things instead of the Merchant loving Venetians. Not sure how easy/hard/impossible this is, just want to throw in the idea.

 

[State Machine]

Re: The American Revolts....

Originally posted by Frog Propaganda
Just thought of this, but how are these handled? Does England have the only set of events that could set up a American Republic? I think of this after looking how Dutch Nationalism is handled in this sequel, and wonder if there is a very limited oppurtunity for a US in a grand campaign. Just some thoughts, sorry if this is the wrong forum for this. I figured the US has more to do with W. Europe than the Amerindian tribes.

Related to this, I had another thought. Currently Events can only be handled by country....is there any possible way in the future the scripting language can be upgraded to let events be caused by province control, regardless of country? That would make it easier for "natural events", that would have no need for a specific country to be involved. It would be a real help for some things that you would normally script for multiple countries. Just an idea.

USA independence events are tied to Great Britain.

There are thoughts in the beta to tie events to a specific province, as opposed to a country, as you propose.

 

[unmerged(28)]

Originally posted by Johnny Canuck


Thanks, Greven! I just took a look over the English Civil War events. The Civil War event itself (choice of Puritan or Royalist) creates a +5 revolt risk in some Irish provinces, plus a couple of revolts there. This would simulate the Rebellion of 1641-2. I would say that this should be kept as is. It is unlikely that the Rebellion would have happened (at least as it did historically) without the Civil War. The events for a Puritan and a Royalist victory eliminate the +5 revolt risk in the Irish provinces. This also should be kept, as the stimulus to revolt due to the Civil War has passed. The one change I would make would be to the Puritan victory event, as it changes the religion of Ulster to either Protestant or Reformed. This would have already occured through the Ulster Plantation event of 1610. The Cromwellian Massacres should have as its trigger event 3026 "Cromwell and the Republic," and occur in September 1649. The massacres would likely not have happened if Charles I had won (the Irish were punished by Cromwell for backing the wrong side), and the revolt risk wouldn't have risen, as Charles I would have been more sympathetic to Catholicism. Do you want me to script out the events?

Yes I think they will be deepening the present Meta-event in a very good fashion..

/Greven

 

[Demetrios]

Originally posted by Johnny Canuck


Thanks! That will very much help things. At four years an hour, it would have taken me a long time to get to 1801!

I'll test the events later this evening. There is one more change I might need to make to make sure it operates realistically (I posted a question in the "free scripting lesson" thread), and as soon as they're ready I'll e-mail them to Surcouf.

In the next couple of days, I'll probably also script out a few more events for England. I'm waiting for the new Event Manual to check a couple of things. These are the events, any suggestions or ideas would be very helpful:

Samuel Pepys at the Admiralty (1673)
Sir William Blackstone's Law (1765)
The Peterloo Massacre (1819)
The Gunpowder Plot (1605)
John Wilkes (1770)
The South Seas Bubble (1720)

Wow, I'm really surprised to see that there's not a Gunpowder Plot event already. That's something that needs to be scripted right away and put into the game if possible!

 

[Dark Knight]

Originally posted by Frog Propaganda
Do you think there should be any differations in how Italy would form depending on who did the unifying(i.e.: A pope controlled italy, or secular italy, etc.) I would think that would make some sense to do it that way. Also, perhaps alter relations or DP depending on if say, the Napolian Spanish lackey govt. runs things instead of the Merchant loving Venetians. Not sure how easy/hard/impossible this is, just want to throw in the idea.

The "Ecclesiastical Union" event for the Papacy will be different than for other states. Since a state unifying Italy will still remain the original state (since there is no 'Italy' country), their DP settings will remain the same and thus a Venetian-dominated Italy would be different from a Neapolitan Italy.

 

[Zaan]

Originally posted by Dark Knight

The "Ecclesiastical Union" event for the Papacy will be different than for other states. Since a state unifying Italy will still remain the original state (since there is no 'Italy' country), their DP settings will remain the same and thus a Venetian-dominated Italy would be different from a Neapolitan Italy.

Perhaps an annoying qustion but i simply can't hold myself . Will you change the flag? And will there be a possible change of capital, because if i'm playung "Colonial power Venezia" I don't want other nations to steal my maps in every war, some cities are to close to a border fro a capital, besides someone may want to run a centralized Italy, but originationg from Venezia or Milano (Too close to the border those cities)

 

[celedhring]

Hello, I still don't have the game, so I have a question: do the events reflecting the Civil war in Aragon during de 1460's implemented? It was an extremely long-lasting one, and if had a different outcome it could have changed the fate of the peninsula (no King Fernando, no Iberian Wedding, dinastic union with Navarra, etc...)

If it is not, I can make a proposal for it.

 

[Petrarca]

Perhaps an annoying qustion but i simply can't hold myself . Will you change the flag? And will there be a possible change of capital, because if i'm playung "Colonial power Venezia" I don't want other nations to steal my maps in every war, some cities are to close to a border fro a capital, besides someone may want to run a centralized Italy, but originationg from Venezia or Milano (Too close to the border those cities)

I personally would be more than happy if the flag changed. A capital moving event will probably be created by many people, probably to Rome, although I personally will probably modify them to go to Milan or Florence, depending on the choice.

 

[Johnny Canuck]

Originally posted by Demetrios


Wow, I'm really surprised to see that there's not a Gunpowder Plot event already. That's something that needs to be scripted right away and put into the game if possible!

I have scripted & tested successfully a Gunpowder Plot event. Right now there is only one option and the result is a drop in stability. Should there be any other effect? I doubt the Plot would have done much unless they actually killed James I, and even then I doubt that Catholicism would have become the state religion without a revolution. Any thoughts?

 

[Johnny Canuck]

Here are three English events that have been scripted & tested. Does anyone have any comments before I send them to Surcouf?

Event Name: Samuel Pepys at the Admiralty
Country: England
Description: Pepys, famous for his diary, became Secretary to the Admiralty in 1673, helping the Navy to reform itself after the failures of the Dutch Wars.
Trigger(s): 1673
Effect(s)
A: Employ Him
Land -1
Naval Tech +250
B: Don't Employ Him
Land +1

Event Name: Gunpowder Plot
Country: England
Description: Guy Fawkes, a disgruntled professional soldier, plotted to blow up Parliament in league with Robert Catesby, a wealthy Catholic who did not believe James I's declaration of partial tolerance for Catholics.
Triggers(s): 5 November 1605
Religion Not Catholic
Effects(s)
A: Increased Fears of Catholic Agitation
Stability -1

Event Name: The South Seas Bubble
Country: England
Description: The South Seas Company was originally chartered to trade with Spanish possessions in South America. Through dishonest means and speculation, the stock soared, and the company promised to take over 60% of the national debt. The attractive interest rates drew investors in droves, and the stock soared from 128 to 1000 from January to August 1720. This was the Bubble, which burst later that year, dropping the stock to 124, ruining both great and small investors. The Government was also implicated, with three Ministers of the Crown and both King's mistresses implicated in corruption and bribery. The effect on the economy and the country was severe.
Trigger(s): December 1720
Effect(s)
A: The Bubble Bursts
Stability -2
Treasury -300
Inflation +5

I'm also thinking of putting together a couple of events to simulate the Scottish Enlightenment if Scotland survives past 1700. In particular, it would transfer the David Hume & Adam Smith "flavour" events from England to Scotland (both were native Scots), by sleeping the English events & waking the Scottish events for the two (which would be added to the major_sco file). Any other ideas?

 

[unmerged(2920)]

Originally posted by Johnny Canuck

Event Name: The South Seas Bubble
Country: England
Description: The South Seas Company was originally chartered to trade with Spanish possessions in South America. Through dishonest means and speculation, the stock soared, and the company promised to take over 60% of the national debt. The attractive interest rates drew investors in droves, and the stock soared from 128 to 1000 from January to August 1720. This was the Bubble, which burst later that year, dropping the stock to 124, ruining both great and small investors. The Government was also implicated, with three Ministers of the Crown and both King's mistresses implicated in corruption and bribery. The effect on the economy and the country was severe.
Trigger(s): December 1720
Effect(s)
A: The Bubble Bursts
Stability -2
Treasury -300
Inflation +5

the effect of this one is interesting because it can be for france also (at another date, a bit later if i remember well, i'll check for the date). But for france it's on speculation on the owning of tthe land of the new continent. A bonk introduced the first bills and based them on the french land in new france, the speculation caused the bankeroute and really bad effects on the economie.

 

[Lambert Simnel]

Powder treason

Originally posted by Demetrios


Wow, I'm really surprised to see that there's not a Gunpowder Plot event already. That's something that needs to be scripted right away and put into the game if possible!

Some thoughts on the gunpowder plot.

The plan was that king James and his heir Henry Frederick would be blown up at the state opening of parliament, Prince Charles (age 4 becomes Charles I) if not also in parliament would be grabbed in London and Princess Elizabeth (age 9 becomes wife of the Winter King) was to be seized at Coombe Abbey near Coventry and then crowned Elizabeth II under a Catholic regency. There was no plans as to what was to be done about 4 month old Princess Mary, the only one of James's children to be 'born to the purple'.

Having Charles killed will throw off the future chronology badly so one would have to go with him not being caught in the explosion. If he isn't found by the conspiritors then either the conspiracy fails or you plunge into civil war, neither of which make an interesting choice. If he is taken by the conspiritors, who were keen on having Elizabeth as their figurehead due to her popularity, then what happens to him? Is he killed or just hidden and kept in reserve? The first possibility runs into the same problem as before, so lets go for the seemingly less likely option.

An interesting alternative would be to have the real Charles being killed and a pretender taking his place, indeed a pretender of some form would be a natural event to add to one of England's neighbours even if he is being secretly kept alive.

Elizabeth was already showing her protestant piety even before the plot so there might be an event returning England to protestancy when she comes of age. Alternatively this could be when Charles is revealed to be alive and replaces her.

Other things to think on are:
What would be the effect on Scotland of their royal family being massacred/seized by Papist Sassanachs given that the next legitimate heirs to the Scottish throne are descendents of James III's sister (the lines seperating 150 years beforehand)?
Would events involving Elizabeth Stuart influence the later Winter king events?
Might the events after the plot be contingent on Spanish policy to support or not the conspiracy?
How much of England will express its hidden Catholocism when the climate allows? (The Midlands & Northumbria are the most likely to in my opinion.

 

[Dark Knight]

Originally posted by Mamut
Perhaps an annoying qustion but i simply can't hold myself . Will you change the flag? And will there be a possible change of capital...

The flag could only change if there was an actual country "Italy" in the game. Since there isn't, I wrote the event to add core provinces to the country getting of instead of having the command for them to become Italy.

As to capital changing events: These would be possible, but there would have to be separate events for every single Italian country, so it would be rather irritating. If Italy were actually a country on the other hand, there would only need to be one event.

 

[Johnny Canuck]

A possibility for a series of Gunpowder Plot events:

Event 1: There is Catholic unrest once it seems that James I won't support Catholicism.
A: Ignore the Catholic rebels - Leads to Event 2
B: Support the Catholic rebels - Leads to Event 3

Event 2: Historical Gunpowder Plot - Fails
A: Stability -1

Event 3: Gunpowder Plot Succeeds (James 1, Henry Frederick killed, Charles & Elizabeth seized)
A: Attempt Catholic Regency for Elizabeth - Leads to Event 4
B: Catholic Pretender for Charles - Leads to Event 5

Event 4: Elizabeth's Protestant Leanings Become Known, Civil War launched to "rescue" her from Catholic influence
A: Lots of Revolts; England Reverts to Protestantism

Event 5: "King" Revealed to be a pretender; real Charles assumes the throne
A: Crown Charles I, England Reverts to Protestantism

This is just a sketch off of the top of my head, so it could probably be improved upon. Laurent Simnel, what do you think? You certainly know what you are talking about!

 

[Lambert Simnel]

I am no expert on the Stuarts, merely a relentless hunter of information.

If the Catholics had Charles then there is no need to use a pretender, he was after all only 4 years old and probably not in much of a position to object to his captors actions. A possibility would be that the conspiritors don't know if Charles was in parliament or if he had been spirited away allowing a restoration at a later date.

Whose choice did you intend event 1 to be I was thinking England but foreign support would also make sense.

There should probably also be some Protestant revolts when the Catholics take over, which could lead to a restoration of Protestantism if they aren't surpressed.

Could someone please tell us what how the Union of the Crowns is scripted as I think modifying the Scottish side of it to indicate James's expressed views on Catholicism might be a good point to start this event chain. The Powder Treason is something I feel England shouldn't have complete control over. Also how would England being Catholic effect the Civil War?