Error: Runtime error in "metro/scripts/engine.script" at line 314: Internal error!

[douglasrac]

Hi,

I'm map editing and I'm having problems with it. I make backup of my map everyday to avoid losing it and I had to use this backup 2 times already.

I'm making a map that will work day and night, so I frequently change the location in .scenario.

Sometimes, when I do I get this error in log_metro.txt

Error: Runtime error in "metro/scripts/engine.script" at line 314: Internal error!

Which is:

313 MAIN.$timeline = null;
314 delete $timeline;
315 delete $scene;

The game doesn't crash, but it never loads. It's stuck in 50% until the game is not responding anymore.

I'm not making anything with timeline.

What can be the problem, so I can avoid future problems? Or is it possible to fix it when it happens?

 

[Junna]

I've written about this in that general crash thread and had no response; I get this error all the bloody time, to the point where I cannot much play the game. It happens in editor and in playing mode (this is the first time I've seen it mentioned to occur before loading has finished though, it takes anywhere from 1 second after finishing loading to 2 hours for it to happen to me, faster with larger games, particularly one I must have wasted a good 500 hours building--)

I would like to hear from the developers on this issue, for it is extremely troublesome. I've tried to remove all mods and re-add them slowly to see what could cause it - for a while I thought I had solved it, but it was merely a fluke. The variation in the time it takes to crash from loading means that it is very hard for me to try and find out what causes it.

(I also tried editing the main.script (I had not previously done so), to see if it would relay an error that I could tell what it was (I don't understand the timeline error, I haven't changed any timeline, and when you play this error manifests in a random freeze when moving around or clicking (or, sometimes, when pressing esc, but this is less common than just suddenly when moving). Removing line 314, I instead crashed on line 313. Removing 313, I crashed on 312. Removing 312 caused some other crash and game didn't load - so I reverted to the old script.

The latter might work better for you, since it happens immediately. Have you tried moving your mods elsewhere and then adding them one by one to see if well, something makes it not crash like that?

 

[eis_os]

You can't remove these lines and these lines aren't the real error.

The cleanup procedure (event ondestroy) is called, and crashes there, the timeline seems to be already in an inconsistent state,
thus the timeline can't be deleted any more, it's already gone, or has some other problems.

So general speaking, this happens:

Some Error in the Game
Timeline / Grid breaks
Game tries to quit because an error was thrown
Game tries to clean up and calls engine.script ondestroy event
delete of timeline (because it's deleted already or is in an inconsistent state) will create an error in log.

 

[douglasrac]

Hm would be nice to know what causes the error, because this is a serious error. If you cannot load the map anymore, no matter what, it's very serious.

No, I haven't tried to remove all mods and install one by one. Would be a huge task to do that. Since the error occurs mysteriously at an unknown time, I would take months to complete this task.

The only hope is to keep frequent backups to not lose work.
I made a script to make that task a bit easier. Check here: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...3-Tip-for-map-editors&p=13187897#post13187897

 

[eis_os]

Well I requested better error handling already for scripts.
Maybe we get an improvement with a Patch. Maybe if the speed penality isn't that much gebbiz could add some try catch blocks with better error reporting.

Btw. I do think there is a fundamental internal logic flaw. Even with a crash the unloading of scripts should be in reverse order of loading. * I had several crashes (my fault) while using the debug console that affect the unloading of my mod manager in development. The child scripts are already destroyed.

-edit-
* Triggered by the parent script if it isn't crashed already.

 

[douglasrac]

Basically I cannot do anything about this ?
Now I'm getting this all the time while map editing. I have to save every 30 seconds to avoid losing work.
Any mods to auto-save while in map editor?

The error in the log is always the same. Devs?

P.S.: the problem is with the timeline? Can I just delete the timeline file?

 

[eis_os]

Do you have any mods loaded, statistics and or camera mods?

If you have a 1.0.22 you could try this:

Make a backup of you map
Enable Debug Mode
Open Console in Map Editor
Write: flatten-timeline
Press Enter.

This should merge all changes until 31.12.2020 to 1.1.1920.

 

[douglasrac]

Yes, I have statistics and camera mode.

I did not use the timeline, still that would help to solve the problem?

 

[eis_os]

As both mods aren't really needed for a map to load, I would try again without them and see what happens.

 

[Junna]

As both mods aren't really needed for a map to load, I would try again without them and see what happens.

I also have both of those mods (and others), and I've tried to remove all that modify actual game settings (camera, statistics, even my edited vehicle settings and the combined-Tokyo mods), but this has not resolved crashes for me.

 

[eis_os]

Well, loading a map without certain mods will create problems as the objects can't be found anymore. This may result in crashes too.
While I do a lot of modding myself, I only use my own mods. I can't say I have had problems yet like this.
Most problems are hard crashes when a building script I create or modify did something wrong, or a building object file is broken.

I wonder what happens if you use gs_dump on the timeline of such a crashing map. gs_dump knows a bit of the general structure already. But the internals aren't known yet.
OK, I know that I can puzzle the heightmap via a hex editor in the grid :ninja:

-edit-
If you really think it's a fault in map.timeline, you may try to copy a empty timeline from a fresh map. But if you don't use the timeline feature, the file should be empty, 16Bytes header, anyway.

 

[douglasrac]

Nothing seems to solve this problem. It's making map editing extremely frustrating.

I tried merging the timeline, deleting timeline file, nothing seems to work.
What I could observe is that with debug mode on it freezes a lot more. With debug mode on it's about 30 seconds to freeze. With debug mode off it's 5 to 30 minutes.

I start to edit and then it freezes. I delete timeline file I start to edit again and it seems to take longer to freeze. Then I will obviously save the map, because I don't want to lose work, and then start to freeze more frequently. Seems that with timeline file it freezes more, since when I save after deleting timeline, this file is created again.
But this is what I think. Needs more testing.

Letting the game create a new timeline file after saving is the same of getting an empty timeline from a fresh map?

And why did you ask if I have statistics or camera mode on? Statistics I don't need, but camera mode is very useful for map editing.

 

[eis_os]

The timeline file should be 16Bytes in size.
You may check the grid file of a broken savegame with gs_dump_2011_12_31.zip (see tools on my site)

On the commandline: gs_dump.exe map.grid > debug.txt

Then open debug.txt
If you any warning line with "*warn* then saving your grid is broken.

You should have:

CHUNK_GS_GRID_MAP
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN2
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN4
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN5
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN6
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN7

It should read all out used objects on the map too.

Basicly I decoded the general file structure for grid objects today. No I really don't know yet the other internals...

 

[Junna]

The timeline file should be 16Bytes in size.
You may check the grid file of a broken savegame with gs_dump_2011_12_31.zip (see tools on my site)

Did so.

Output:

gs_dump 31.12.2011 (eis_os)
File Type: GS_GRID(0x7000000) (8828008 bytes)
Unknown 1 (Map Size?): 0x00000500
Unknown 2 (Map Size?): 0x00000500
Unknown 3: 0x40400000
Unknown 4: 0x00000004
Unknown 5: 0x00000200
Unknown 6: 0x00000000
CHUNK_GS_GRID_MAP(0x7010000) (6553600 bytes)
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN2(0x7020000) (2274076 bytes)
numobjectnames: 809
Unknown 2: 0x0001b9ba
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649: 602-3a
650: 602-2a
651: 602-2ab
652: 602-3
653: 602-3b
654: 602-1a
655: 602-1ab
656: 602-2
657: 602-2b
658: 602-1
659: 602-1b
660: 467-2b
661: 464-5
662: 464-5b
663: 467-1
664: 467-1b
665: 467-2
666: hospitaldiag
667: hospitaldiagb
668: cathedraldiag
669: governmentofficesb
670: university02
671: university02b
672: university
673: universityb
674: dormitory03
675: dormitory03b
676: dormitory02
677: dormitory02b
678: dormitory01
679: school
680: schoolb
681: policlinic
682: apartament01
683: apartament03
684: apartament03blue
685: apartament03darkblue
686: apartament03red
687: officebuilding05
688: officebuilding05b
689: tenement04
690: tenement04b
691: by-tenement-01
692: by-tenement-03
693: by-tenement-03b
694: reb-tenement02
695: by-tenement-01b
696: reb-tenement03
697: reb-tenement03b
698: ussr-tenement02
699: ussr-tenement02b
700: marketstand05
701: marketstand05b
702: ussr-tenement03
703: ussr-tenement03b
704: ussr-tenement04
705: officebuilding07a
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708: marketstand07
709: marketstand07b
710: marketstand08
711: marketstand09
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713: marketstand10
714: marketstand11
715: marketstand11b
716: bowlingAlley
717: grandHotel
718: kindergarten
719: tokyo_park-pillar
720: tokyo_park-gate
721: tokyo_park-gate2
722: tokyo_robot
723: tokyo_samurai-statue
724: tokyo_wire02b
725: tokyo_wire02-turn
726: tokyo_antenna
727: tokyo_walkbridge-4lane
728: tokyo_wire02
729: tokyo_street-flowerbed-01
730: tokyo_street-railing-02
731: tokyo_phone-boothb
732: tokyo_phone-booth
733: tokyo_marketstand03
734: tokyo_utility-pole
735: tokyo_marketstand04
736: tokyo_marketumbrella
737: tokyo_marketbasket02
738: tokyo_avenue-lights
739: tokyo_park-fence
740: tokyo_park-fence-endb
741: tokyo_hospital
742: tokyo_police-station
743: tokyo_stadion
744: kabuki-theatre
745: tokyo_cinema
746: tokyo_roller-coaster
747: senso-jin-gateb
748: senso-jin-temple
749: temple-01
750: temple-01b
751: temple-02
752: temple-02b
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754: tokyo_petrolstation02b
755: tokyo_fastfood
756: shopping-center
757: shopping-center-b
758: tokyo_pgarage
759: tokyo_grocery
760: tokyo_groceryb
761: commercial01
762: commercial04
763: commercial04-b
764: commercial04-bb
765: commercial05
766: commercial05b
767: commercial01b
768: commercial01-b
769: commercial02
770: commercial02b
771: commercial02-b
772: commercial02-bb
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774: commercial03b
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776: cornerbuilding03-b
777: cornerbuilding04
778: cornerbuilding01
779: cornerbuilding02
780: tokyo_officebuilding05
781: tokyo_officebuilding07b
782: tokyo_fire-station
783: highschool
784: tokyo_tenement03
785: tokyo_tenement-01
786: tokyo_tenement-01b
787: tokyo_tenement-02
788: tokyo_tenement-02b
789: tokyo_tenement-03
790: tokyo_tenement-04
791: tokyo_tenement-04b
792: station-road
793: tokyo-tower
794: tokyo_detached01
795: tokyo_detached01b
796: tokyo_detached02
797: tokyo_detached02b
798: tokyo_semidetached01
799: tokyo_semidetached02
800: tokyo_semidetached02b
801: ryokan
802: tokyo_apartment01
803: tokyo_apartment01b
804: tokyo_apartment04
805: tokyo_apartment04b
806: tokyo_railway-station
807: tokyo_station-track
808: tokyo_station-platform
809: sky-tree
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN2_2(0x7020210) (1809312 bytes)
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN2_3(0x7020310) (452404 bytes)
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN4(0x7040000) (52 bytes)
numvehiclenames 0
Unknown 2: 0x00000000
CHUNK_GS_GRID_LISTVEHICLES(0x7040100) (0 bytes)
UNKNOWN_CHUNK(0x7040300) (4 bytes)
<...use -l to see more data here>
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN5(0x7050000) (40 bytes)
numcitizennames: 0
Unknown 2: 0x00000000
CHUNK_GS_GRID_LISTCITIZEN(0x7050100) (0 bytes)
UNKNOWN_CHUNK(0x7050300) (4 bytes)
<...use -l to see more data here>
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN6(0x7060000) (24 bytes)
numplayervehicles: 0
Unknown 2: 0x00000000
Unknown 3: 0x00000000
Unknown 4: 0x00000000
CHUNK_GS_GRID_LISTPLAYERVEHICLES(0x7060100) (0 bytes)
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN7(0x7070000) (144 bytes)

 

[douglasrac]

Hi,

Here is mine. I also cannot interpret the output.

gs_dump 31.12.2011 (eis_os)
File Type: GS_GRID(0x7000000) (7236556 bytes)
Unknown 1 (Map Size?): 0x00000500
Unknown 2 (Map Size?): 0x00000500
Unknown 3: 0x40400000
Unknown 4: 0x00000004
Unknown 5: 0x00000200
Unknown 6: 0x00000000
CHUNK_GS_GRID_MAP(0x7010000) (6553600 bytes)
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN2(0x7020000) (682624 bytes)
numobjectnames: 784
Unknown 2: 0x000082d4
CHUNK_GS_GRID_LISTOBJECTS(0x7020100) (11836 bytes)


<LIST OF OBJECTS>


CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN2_2(0x7020210) (535872 bytes)
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN2_3(0x7020310) (134884 bytes)
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN4(0x7040000) (52 bytes)
numvehiclenames 0
Unknown 2: 0x00000000
CHUNK_GS_GRID_LISTVEHICLES(0x7040100) (0 bytes)
UNKNOWN_CHUNK(0x7040300) (4 bytes)
<...use -l to see more data here>
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN5(0x7050000) (40 bytes)
numcitizennames: 0
Unknown 2: 0x00000000
CHUNK_GS_GRID_LISTCITIZEN(0x7050100) (0 bytes)
UNKNOWN_CHUNK(0x7050300) (4 bytes)
<...use -l to see more data here>
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN6(0x7060000) (24 bytes)
numplayervehicles: 0
Unknown 2: 0x00000000
Unknown 3: 0x00000000
Unknown 4: 0x00000000
CHUNK_GS_GRID_LISTPLAYERVEHICLES(0x7060100) (0 bytes)
CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN7(0x7070000) (144 bytes)

If the grid file is broken I need to restart editing from a previous backup?
Where do you see it's broken?
What can cause the break?
What are the implications of this for those that will play the map?

 

[eis_os]

I can see you have all CHUNKS, so the general writing of the file is complete successfull. If the timeline is 16 Bytes large, it can't be the problem.

Well the Camera Mod changes the camera handling, so your overall system may be stressed more. And some code paths get triggered that shouldn't in Big Underground Metro Station with Line Statistics. So reducing the test case is always the first step. I still not know why this fault happens.

CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN2_2 hold the instances of objects and has "0x000082d4" entries a 16 Bytes. That looks ok.

As people seems to have problems with files, I try to added some basic integrity checks to gs_dump.
My plan was to write a tool to dump the object names used in a grid eventually, not really writeing a integrity check tool.

Currently I can only tell you when the grid file is totally screwed.
I may ask Gebbiz for more info someday. I still hope the next patches will make CIM more robust and more informative too.

You may try a CIM Installation on a different maschine, some people reported after loading/saving that a file works again. Not sure why.

 

[Junna]

I can see you have all CHUNKS, so the general writing of the file is complete successfull. If the timeline is 16 Bytes large, it can't be the problem.

Well the Camera Mod changes the camera handling, so your overall system may be stressed more. And some code paths get triggered that shouldn't in Big Underground Metro Station with Line Statistics. So reducing the test case is always the first step. I still not know why this fault happens.

CHUNK_GS_GRID_UNKNOWN2_2 hold the instances of objects and has "0x000082d4" entries a 16 Bytes. That looks ok.

I have tried without the camera mod - the error persists still. I have tried removing mods in groups until only those used by the map were left - still occurs. The timeline file is 16bytes, as it should be.

Using debug mode the crashing, for me too, seems to become more frequent, and in some of the instances line 818 (I think it was) is mentioned in addition to 314.

I've tried making new save games - but after a while they all display this same error, even when the maps are not very much developed, though there is a somewhat higher frequency of the crashes the larger the map is.

 

[eis_os]

Enabling Debug Mode results in Physics Debugging -> your System has more to do.
New save game without mods?

When you have a vanilla CIM and the crash still happens I would say there could be hardware problem in some form. Lowering details may help for Graphic Card problems.

 

[douglasrac]

Yesterday I also tried several things like Junna, with same results.

Late in the night I tried executing the game from Steam, instead of directly from EXE and it took a longer time to freeze. A lot longer. But needs more testing to see if its real.

I also tried lowering the graphics, but I couldn't wait to see if it would freeze. Its so ugly that I cannot edit a map like this.
If the problem is the graphic card I should try downloading an older version of the graphic drivers, since this problem didn't exist sometime ago.

Junna, you also have nVidia card? Do you frequently update your drivers?
I can say with certainty that this problem start to happen with conflict with nothing but graphic drivers, because I even format my computer, and made clean install of everything; but installing newer graphics drivers.

 

[Junna]

Junna, you also have nVidia card? Do you frequently update your drivers?
I can say with certainty that this problem start to happen with conflict with nothing but graphic drivers, because I even format my computer, and made clean install of everything; but installing newer graphics drivers.

I do, and they are up to date (I've also had some older, but they were still fairly recent; I did, however, not have this issue with my older graphics card that I can recall.)