EU 1 vs EU 2

[unmerged(21885)]

what about the interface, has it become more logical/intuitive/easier to navigate in the suceeding incarnations?

i ask because my introduction to TBS games was M:TW, but recently i bought the original Total War game; Shogun.

to cut a long story short; i didn't like it. although it was technically the same game, but with a different (and equally compelling scenario), i hated the clunky interface. even though i was very familiar and comfortable with M:TW which is essentially identical to S:TW, the interface was so awkward and unusable even to one familiar with the game mechanics that i couldn't enjoy the game.

consequently, i'm returning it to game today.

this long spiel is relevant because i bought EU in order to familiarise myself with the game mechanics of Victoria when it arrives in the UK, and while i can see the immense promise, it will remain elusive as long as i remain baffled by the awful interface.

as a final note; i should point out that i loved M:TW for the strategic element, but always wanted more depth, thus i got interested in Victoria.

cheers

Selous

 

[saskganesh]

Originally posted by F_C_Selous
what about the interface, has it become more logical/intuitive/easier to navigate in the suceeding incarnations?

as a final note; i should point out that i loved M:TW for the strategic element, but always wanted more depth, thus i got interested in Victoria.

cheers

Selous

its the same template plus more. (sliders, military maintenence limits, but no culture map which would be nice) you just have to get with the EU program.

not sure how to judge victoria. peeps are figuring that one out. eventually it becomes intuitive.

another good/bad thing about EU2: inflation is harder on you.

 

[Eu_proof]

Can someone please explain this to me, is there a way to annex countries in EU2 or what??

 

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by Eu_proof
Can someone please explain this to me, is there a way to annex countries in EU2 or what??

Yep. Get them down to one provine and you can. Pagans can be annexed right away though.

 

[Eu_proof]

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
Yep. Get them down to one provine and you can. Pagans can be annexed right away though.

Forgive my bad English, pagans?
So you can have all the provinces except one in a peace and then annex it?

 

[unmerged(2970)]

Originally posted by Eu_proof
Forgive my bad English, pagans?
So you can have all the provinces except one in a peace and then annex it?

Pagans = countries in the ROTW, for example, Aztecs, Incas, etc.

These countries in EU2 you can annex in one war, with the rest you will have to fight at least 2 wars, except with 1-province minors.

 

[unmerged(22575)]

The thing that bothered me about EUII

I owned both, and my main problem with EUII is that I could never get my stability to stay high. I mean, dips are expected, but rarely did I ever get it above 1, no matter how much money I put into it. There were a CONSTANT stream of events that continuesly lowered it. Preventing me from doing anything of real value, or fun. Most of my time was spent trying to figure out how to increase my tech/centeralization level, etc while coping with events and constant revolutions because of low stability.

 

[Cow Pie]

Re: The thing that bothered me about EUII

Originally posted by Revolutionary
I owned both, and my main problem with EUII is that I could never get my stability to stay high. I mean, dips are expected, but rarely did I ever get it above 1, no matter how much money I put into it. There were a CONSTANT stream of events that continuesly lowered it. Preventing me from doing anything of real value, or fun. Most of my time was spent trying to figure out how to increase my tech/centeralization level, etc while coping with events and constant revolutions because of low stability.

agreed

 

[unmerged(2970)]

Re: The thing that bothered me about EUII

Originally posted by Revolutionary
I owned both, and my main problem with EUII is that I could never get my stability to stay high. I mean, dips are expected, but rarely did I ever get it above 1, no matter how much money I put into it. There were a CONSTANT stream of events that continuesly lowered it. Preventing me from doing anything of real value, or fun. Most of my time was spent trying to figure out how to increase my tech/centeralization level, etc while coping with events and constant revolutions because of low stability.

But this is much more challenging, EU is way too easy, while EU2 gives you a hard time.

 

[Carolus Rex]

Re: The thing that bothered me about EUII

Originally posted by Revolutionary
I owned both, and my main problem with EUII is that I could never get my stability to stay high. I mean, dips are expected, but rarely did I ever get it above 1, no matter how much money I put into it. There were a CONSTANT stream of events that continuesly lowered it. Preventing me from doing anything of real value, or fun. Most of my time was spent trying to figure out how to increase my tech/centeralization level, etc while coping with events and constant revolutions because of low stability.

It's a WAD then.
EU2 is supposed to be a bit more difficult to manage than EU1. It's supposed to be a challenge.

 

[unmerged(22575)]

A challange is one thing...

A better AI is more challanging. If I can't actually do any strategy in a strategy game, it isn't worth my time. That is the feeling I got from EUII. I couldn't do anything, I wasn't allowed.... 90% of my time was spent putting down rebellions, falling behind the rest of the world-because I couldn't keep up-somehow they managed to centeralize without loosing stability, and trying to rebuild my stability to the point where I could effectively do something. For me, this isn't what I call a fun game, it is certainlly not what I want out of the games I buy.

Just some thoughts-

scott

 

[Languish]

Re: A challange is one thing...

Originally posted by Revolutionary
A better AI is more challanging. If I can't actually do any strategy in a strategy game, it isn't worth my time. That is the feeling I got from EUII. I couldn't do anything, I wasn't allowed.... 90% of my time was spent putting down rebellions, falling behind the rest of the world-because I couldn't keep up-somehow they managed to centeralize without loosing stability, and trying to rebuild my stability to the point where I could effectively do something. For me, this isn't what I call a fun game, it is certainlly not what I want out of the games I buy.

Just some thoughts-

scott

This is what i thought about EUII as well...

 

[Eu_proof]

Should I buy it or not, is it worth the money?

 

[unmerged(22575)]

EU_Proof,

If you check out the EUII forum, there are certainlly plenty of people who love the game. But, I would say no, if you are anything like me, you will get bored/frustrated and quite playing.


-Scott

 

[unmerged(23115)]

Should I buy it or not, is it worth the money?

Buy it! It is, I played EU1 for 2 years and loved it and pondered the same question. Bought EU2 a couple of months ago and there's no turning back. Far more realistic and challenging, I personally dont play SP/WC games anymore as they are far too boring/easy to say the least, no matter which game you play. As for strategy there is no less strategy in EU2 as EU1 and I am confident there are many many many more EU fans playing EU2, thus the debate is over.

 

[Matija]

Should I buy it or not, is it worth the money?

It is worth every penny.

 

[unmerged(17313)]

I am confident there are many many many more EU fans playing EU2, thus the debate is over.

Thus, it is objectively better to:
- be dead than to be alive.
- be a beetle than be a mammal
- speak Chinese than speak, say, German or French
- do other things than doing dissimilar things which are more or less unconnected to the first ones.

I realise that the ones I present above differ from PhD Professor's in that they are not a matter of personal choice (at least not necessarily), but I will not let inconsistancies hamper me.

 

[Duuk]

The best part about EU2 is that Johan is still willing to change things we don't like. EU1 is static and no longer growing. If you want to have input on game features and design, you have to step up and get EU2, which should be available for not more than $10-$20 in every retail place in North America.

 

[Nikolai II]

trying to rebuild my stability to the point where I could effectively do something.

This was one of the major lessons I had to pick up when going to EU2 - it is no longer possible to always be at stab+3. Whatever nation I play in EU2 I usually end up with a small 'time of troubles' of a century or so with -3 to 0 stab, whereas in EU1 if you ever got below 0 stab you were surprised..

But to clarify - in EU2, if stab gains are too slow - don't invest in stab since doing so will slow down your advance. And to avoid having 90% of time to quell rebellions, make peace. (The change of religion sliders from -9 to -4 has a major impact on how many rebellions you get and why you should actively try to keep wars short unless stability is high)

And if revolts in EU2 truly bother you, d/l the beta where revolts have been reduced to 1/12 of before and revoltrisk instead reduces taxes (small scale unrest and payment of local 'suppression fees')

But beware, if your joys lie in a simple game of conquering half the known world with Switzerland or The Knights, then maybe EU1 truly is the choice for you. (Or if you enjoy seeing Spain actually take out the Incas/Aztecs) But if you want to be able to play France with any sort of challenge, then maybe EU2 is worth a look-see.

 

[Eu_proof]

I have bought EU2 now... It rules over EU...