Actually, tech is not that hard. Just have a set level (maybe 50ish) in EU2 at which a nation would be able to get the basic civilized techs, then more for the higher levels. And for other, non-military techs, convert them from the manufactories.
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Guys, I'm still interested to help in any way, but I'm getting married next week so I won't be around until March 20th or so, ok? Then I could do something that doesn't is involved with programming (I know nothing of it).
Put the level for basic tech at 57. Then add three random techs if they've gotten to 59.
Hey, sorry about being away guys.
I've had to relocate for ashort period and I am without my computer. I should be back online and everything sometime later this week.
Sounds good.
Again, anyone who is interested in helping out, please PM me. It's hard to differentiate between people just dropping advice and people who would be willing to help out.
- MVSN
I've had to relocate for ashort period and I am without my computer. I should be back online and everything sometime later this week.
Sounds good.
Again, anyone who is interested in helping out, please PM me. It's hard to differentiate between people just dropping advice and people who would be willing to help out.
- MVSN
Great some people are working on this again, maybe i could help in some way? i know some visual basic and very little c++ but not much eu2 scripting. i think this is a great idea tell me if you need help!
I'm still here, I've just been away for most of this week. Probably I'll sit down next or next next week (I have a few important tests coming up), and write an overview about all suggestions made in this thread.
Chaingun said:
Good idea. Yes, I think most of the people have been away this week.
- MVSN
Yepp 
. Well, sometimes one might just have to study a little bit less in order to do all "important stuff" .
. Well, sometimes one might just have to study a little bit less in order to do all "important stuff" .
Chaingun said:Yepp
I should be up and ready to go as of tomorrow afternoon.
- MVSN
P.S. Can anyone think up a better name for the project than Eu2 to Vic Save Game Utility? Something short and catchy? Like EVIC I was thinking.
how about "Victoria Universalis"?
or "Eu2VIC"
or "thingymabob that will change your eu2 save game into a victoria game majiggy".
Im bad with naming things, i named my cat "Cat". pretty creative huh?
or "Eu2VIC"
or "thingymabob that will change your eu2 save game into a victoria game majiggy".
Im bad with naming things, i named my cat "Cat". pretty creative huh?
FooFight2000 said:
Eu2Vic, E2Vic...somethine like that.
"Cat", I named my cat but it only responds to 'kitty'.
- MVSN
EU2Vic sounds just fine I think (with a special stress put on the '2').
I'd like to add we really need to have some kind of public workspace where the current progress is listed. Either this could be a special thread in this forum, maintained only for this purpose, or some special feature of some other web site that allows people to communicate and exchange work.
I'd like to add we really need to have some kind of public workspace where the current progress is listed. Either this could be a special thread in this forum, maintained only for this purpose, or some special feature of some other web site that allows people to communicate and exchange work.
Nice project and I'd be very interested in the result. I cannot help in the coding in Java, C++ or whatever, but I can give help and advice on other stuff
One of the major problems that will probably be encountered is the conversion of EU provinces to Vic provinces. I tried to tackle this problem for the relative simple example of the British Isles. In EU2 it consists of 20 provinces (15 in Britain, 5 in Ireland), in Victoria it consists of 47 provinces (37 in Britain and 15 in Ireland). See EU2 map and Victoria map for reference.
I divided it up so that the maps look the most the same.
From this province conversion there are some problems.
This however might be running a bit to far ahead, as I don't know what people can do with the save games.
One of the major problems that will probably be encountered is the conversion of EU provinces to Vic provinces. I tried to tackle this problem for the relative simple example of the British Isles. In EU2 it consists of 20 provinces (15 in Britain, 5 in Ireland), in Victoria it consists of 47 provinces (37 in Britain and 15 in Ireland). See EU2 map and Victoria map for reference.
I divided it up so that the maps look the most the same.
Code:
EU2 Victoria
ID Prov. name City name id Prov. name State name
231 Connaught Galway 245 Sligo Connaught
246 Galway Connaught
232 Ulster Belfast 240 Belfast Ulster
241 Londonderry Ulster
242 Armagh Ulster
233 Meath Dublin 243 Dublin Leinster
234 Leinster Wexford 244 Kildare Leinster
250 Wexford Leinster
235 Munster Cork 247 Limerick Munster
248 Waterford Munster
249 Cork Munster
236 The Highlands Inverness 210 Inverness North Scotland
237 The Grampians Aberdeen 211 Aberdeen North Scotland
212 Dundee South Scotland
213 Perth South Scotland
238 Lothian Edinburgh 215 Edinburgh South Scotland
239 Stratchhylde Glasgow 214 Glasgow South Scotland
240 Northumberland Newcastle 216 Newcastle North England
217 Carlisle North England
241 Yorkshire York 220 Leeds North England
221 Hull North England
242 Lancashire Lancaster 218 Liverpool North England
219 Manchester North England
224 Chester West England
243 Wales Cardiff 225 Bangor Wales
226 Montgomery Wales
227 Cardigan Wales
228 Cardiff Wales
244 Midlands Coventry 223 Nottingham Midlands
229 Shrewsbury West England
230 Birmingham Midlands
245 Lincoln Lincoln 222 Lincoln Eastern Counties
231 Leicester Midlands
246 Bristol Bristol 236 Oxford Midlands
237 Bristol West England
251 Taunton South West England
247 Anglia London 232 Cambridge Eastern Counties
233 Norwich Eastern Counties
234 Ipswich Eastern Counties
235 Bedford Greater London
248 Kent Canterbury 255 London Greater London
256 Canterbury South East England
257 Brighton South East England
249 Wessex Portsmouth 252 Salisbury South West England
253 Southhampton South East England
254 Reading Greater London
250 Cornwall Plymouth 238 Plymouth South West EnglandFrom this province conversion there are some problems.
- Some EU provinces are divided up into four Vic provinces, while others in only one.
- There are less states in Victoria than there are provinces in EU, and new states cannot be created (right??) making it difficult what to do with province specific buildings like tax collectors, manufacories, conscript centre etc.
- How to divide the population of a EU province into the population of multiple Vic province? A simple equal distribution or assign a major city which gets a higher pop? How to assign culture, religion, distribution over the different classes
This however might be running a bit to far ahead, as I don't know what people can do with the save games.
Thank you Ironfoundersson for trying some basic conversion out. I have some answers to your questions about issues that arise:
Populations:
I don't think we will need to convert the populations from EU2. Think about it, the population of a province in EU2 is really only the population in its biggest capital. I don't see any reason to why we couldn't instead import population data from the Victoria Grand Campaign and use with slight modifications. These modifications would include religion and culture perhaps (for those colonies).
Province sizes and locations:
I don't see much of a problem if whether an EU2 province represents 1 or 10 Victoria provinces (that might very well be the case in Germany for example). It is not that hard to program for as well. The only issue I can see with multiple Victoria provinces corresponding to one EU2 province is army placement and state belonging. In this case I think one "main province" in Victoria should be chosen for each EU2 province, where armies are placed and which's state is the one that receive any factories from manufactories etc.
States:
Sure, it will be hard to decide who owns a state. However, if you look into the structure of a save file you see a state can be divided up by each country that owns province(s) in it. I think that each EU2 province that needs have to its manufactory converted to a factory for example, should add a corresponding factory to the state of the country it belongs to. I'll make an example below:
EU2 provinces A, B, C and D lie in the same Victoria state.
A and B are owned by country X, C by country Y, and D by country Z.
A contains manufactory K, and adds a corresponding factory to the part of the state that belongs to country X. B also contains a manufactory, and it adds another factory to the state of country X.
C does not contain a manufacotry, and nothing is added.
D contains a Center of Trade, and it should represent some kind of factory which is added to the state of country Z.
I would like to remind people about that everything does not have to be converted. The decreasing effect of religion could for example mean we decide to ignore religion at all if we want to, even though it'd be nice to see the conversions you've made in EU2 to appear in Victoria. DP sliders we can drop as well, unless we somehow want them to have some kind of far-fletched effect on the policies of the country converted. Some things are just stupid to convert, like the goods produced in the provinces (I don't even know if they can be edited in Victoria). And yet again we can convert some countries non existant in Victoria to some that did exist (and a lot of countries did change names during that time).
Remember, no need for this to be overdone or overcomplicated.
Populations:
I don't think we will need to convert the populations from EU2. Think about it, the population of a province in EU2 is really only the population in its biggest capital. I don't see any reason to why we couldn't instead import population data from the Victoria Grand Campaign and use with slight modifications. These modifications would include religion and culture perhaps (for those colonies).
Province sizes and locations:
I don't see much of a problem if whether an EU2 province represents 1 or 10 Victoria provinces (that might very well be the case in Germany for example). It is not that hard to program for as well. The only issue I can see with multiple Victoria provinces corresponding to one EU2 province is army placement and state belonging. In this case I think one "main province" in Victoria should be chosen for each EU2 province, where armies are placed and which's state is the one that receive any factories from manufactories etc.
States:
Sure, it will be hard to decide who owns a state. However, if you look into the structure of a save file you see a state can be divided up by each country that owns province(s) in it. I think that each EU2 province that needs have to its manufactory converted to a factory for example, should add a corresponding factory to the state of the country it belongs to. I'll make an example below:
EU2 provinces A, B, C and D lie in the same Victoria state.
A and B are owned by country X, C by country Y, and D by country Z.
A contains manufactory K, and adds a corresponding factory to the part of the state that belongs to country X. B also contains a manufactory, and it adds another factory to the state of country X.
C does not contain a manufacotry, and nothing is added.
D contains a Center of Trade, and it should represent some kind of factory which is added to the state of country Z.
I would like to remind people about that everything does not have to be converted. The decreasing effect of religion could for example mean we decide to ignore religion at all if we want to, even though it'd be nice to see the conversions you've made in EU2 to appear in Victoria. DP sliders we can drop as well, unless we somehow want them to have some kind of far-fletched effect on the policies of the country converted. Some things are just stupid to convert, like the goods produced in the provinces (I don't even know if they can be edited in Victoria). And yet again we can convert some countries non existant in Victoria to some that did exist (and a lot of countries did change names during that time).
Remember, no need for this to be overdone or overcomplicated.
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For starting factories, here's what I think should be done. The nations from the EU2 save-game should be given a ranking based off their industrial strength (some combination of manufactories and trade centers). You then design a decent, working economy to start Victoria with as a list of `needed' interrelated factories. The first ranked nation from the EU2 list gets a certain number of those, the second get a smaller number, and so on down the list. (Probably throw in some random ones too.) This would help keep the economy from starting off broken.
Something else to keep in mind is the fact that people will be converting from Crusader Kings as well, so you'll probably want to leave things open enough tag-wise that it can handle CK nations that made it through EU2.
Something else to keep in mind is the fact that people will be converting from Crusader Kings as well, so you'll probably want to leave things open enough tag-wise that it can handle CK nations that made it through EU2.
Chaingun said:
Yes. We should start up another official Thread. Before we do that, the project leaders should have a talk though. Do you guys have MSN or something we could have a talk? Or just through private messages?
- MVSN
I have ICQ: 150858672, MSN I got tired of two years ago when they started it and said my own email address was not good enough, and wanted me to get a hotmail address. Never!
mIRC is an option as well, we could create a temporary chat room (or join an exsisting one), and decide upon a time to meet there.
To assign industrial rankings: It is quite a good idea, but the downside of it is of course the user won't recognize his former industrialized manufactory provinces. I now envision the a mix of your idea and the localized province based manufactory idea; sites with manufactories would have a higher chance of receiving a factory (with the total number placed still based on the industrial ranking). It might be used to determine positions of starting railroads as well (if we need any).
mIRC is an option as well, we could create a temporary chat room (or join an exsisting one), and decide upon a time to meet there.
To assign industrial rankings: It is quite a good idea, but the downside of it is of course the user won't recognize his former industrialized manufactory provinces. I now envision the a mix of your idea and the localized province based manufactory idea; sites with manufactories would have a higher chance of receiving a factory (with the total number placed still based on the industrial ranking). It might be used to determine positions of starting railroads as well (if we need any).
I have AIM but i think mIRC may be the best choice since we all wont agree on a certain instant messaging software. The problem is chatting, i think us project leaders span across serveral times zones, picking a good time to meet up would be hard.
I should almost put up a message board on my webserver that would just have a dedicated forum for us and maybe a general forum that everyone could post in (they woudlnt need to register). What do you guys think?
I should almost put up a message board on my webserver that would just have a dedicated forum for us and maybe a general forum that everyone could post in (they woudlnt need to register). What do you guys think?
FooFight2000 said:
Well, I shall be up all night. mIRC is acceptable
.Ummm, where are you guys located? I'm in Toronto, and it's 7:40 right now. We don't really need to meet. Just who is responsible for what, etc. etc. I'll put a list together of everyone who has emailed or pm'd me together.
- MVSN