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I honestly doubt that "they deserve it" attitude will get us to see Wargame4.
I think he meant it in a way like "They deserve to be paid properly" rather than "they deserve what is happening right now!".
Exactly
I honestly dont understand how you could come up with that.Havent you seen my first post in this topic,i have been in the same situation,but in a complete different job and in Balkan where stuff like that happen on daily basis.
Tbh being one of the few who belived that WG4 under new name is already in plans i am really sceptic now about seeing anything new from Eugen in a long time,as i say i hope all goes back to normal,but knowing how stubborn the B.B.B are i wouldnt be suprised if they fired them all :-(...
I focused too much on "The strike is just karma to everything that is happening..." and I have misunderstood your stance, sorry about it.
All cool man,i know my english is not making it easy for all to understand sometimes
.Waiting to read more news on the situation,hopefully we will see a happy end ..
A point to understand. As hard as you may or as much effort as you devote to deciphering or figuring out cost and expenses, it’s all a guess. Unless you work in that industry you’ll never understand the nuances. It’s not possible.
Also, things like leaderboard resets or basically any work isn’t that easy. At the end of it, a worker or his manager will need to account for their time and what projects are being done to accomplish a strat goal. If someone said, hey I want to reset the leaderboards, its really possible someone who handles “what are we spending money on” said no. We won’t fund any work that isn’t XYZ.
Also explains why CoH1 didn’t get a balance patch for long periods. The money wasn’t there. (For THQ it was not there at all, for Eugen it might be not allocated which leads to the same thing)
Also, things like leaderboard resets or basically any work isn’t that easy. At the end of it, a worker or his manager will need to account for their time and what projects are being done to accomplish a strat goal. If someone said, hey I want to reset the leaderboards, its really possible someone who handles “what are we spending money on” said no. We won’t fund any work that isn’t XYZ.
Also explains why CoH1 didn’t get a balance patch for long periods. The money wasn’t there. (For THQ it was not there at all, for Eugen it might be not allocated which leads to the same thing)
It is. The request was made because the reset for SD was already planned. RD and SD share the same user database. They probably had to spend more time just to differentiate between RD accounts and SD accounts instead of resetting the whole thing.
The denied reset is just another tick in the eugen's long list of bad PR.
That is deep question but one of the reasons is reddit and i almost belive that they hired Zinegata to speak for them
Nah, this is me simply going "I told you so" and the bitter and insecure reddit upvote farmers trying to pretend I "support" Eugen when I was basically already knew they were gonna run out of money a quarter ago. The math pointed to a horrific financial situation even if you assume minimum wages and very minimal other costs.
If they really wanted to support the games then they should have done stuff to try and help either game get more sales; which would do more to ensure that the developers get paid properly than winning the strike case (you can't award money that's not in the company coffers). Instead they engaged in pointless drama like arguing that useless meme-makers deserve to be "contributor of the year" instead of people who actually help new players out in the game.
Also, to be clear - I am not supporting Eugen's illegal actions in any way. I post mainly because I like how the devs put the effort to make the game look and feel like the real Normandy campaign. But people need to be realistic, as they should have been a full quarter ago. Eugen wasn't making money. There might not be money to pay out.
Problem with the acquisition route is that it involves a transfer of intellectual property, not the employees. The striking devs will still almost certainly get no compensation in this scenario.
Indeed, given the way Eugen used to talk about the Wargame franchise now being in the hands of Focus, the Steel Division franchise may already be owned by Paradox to begin with.
And that leaves Eugen empty handed
However, apparently 50% of WG rights is still with Eug.
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Can you link to the figures/discussion? Could be interesting reading at this point.
Off the top of my head, at the time SD sales had reached 100,000 on Steam at $40 apiece, meaning the game earned $4M in revenue total. Note that all of this money wouldn't even go to Eugen yet - as Steam and Paradox would get a substantial cut (30% or so at least), so Eugen would realistically only see $2M-$3M out of that revenue (indeed depending on the deal they may get nothing for not reaching some milestones).
By contrast typical game development for a project of this size is around $10M based on other studios working on a game of this size.
For some further details- Eugen's annual payroll, with 50 employees, would have been at least $1.5M ($30k/year ave for France). But it's unlikely that the game was finished in only one year, and that still doesn't account for software/engine license/development cost, office space, and marketing - hence me being fairly confident that the overall dev cost was still around the $10M mark.
Funnily, some folks were claiming that the Eugen employees were all "temporary, minimum wage" employees so the payroll cost should have been lower... Only for the strike case to reveal that the employees weren't minimum wage and that they were striking against Eugen specifically because they were unfairly reduced to minimum wage. So if anything, the cost per employee is probably higher and my figures were actually something of an underestimate.
Just read Zinegate.
I might be a little bit off topic, but on the subject of sales : why did they not develop daily incitives like the ones you can get in other games ? What's more : why not fighting against all those things that kill the gamer fun : Why not prohibit leavers from hosting/joining another game while the one they (rage-)left is still running. There are so many things that could have bolstered the community... There has to be a game around the game so that everyone comes back everyday. Any one has a clue ?
I might be a little bit off topic, but on the subject of sales : why did they not develop daily incitives like the ones you can get in other games ? What's more : why not fighting against all those things that kill the gamer fun : Why not prohibit leavers from hosting/joining another game while the one they (rage-)left is still running. There are so many things that could have bolstered the community... There has to be a game around the game so that everyone comes back everyday. Any one has a clue ?
Very frankly? Because Eugen dropped the ball. To a large extent it was because they were too dependent on relying on the community to police itself - e.g. preventing leavers and ragequitters - when those should have been part of the lobby system.
The only thing that people kept asking for which I knew wouldn't have help was an automated matchmaker - because there simply weren't enough players to make a matchmaker worthwhile. But a system to reward daily play and punish quitters - even if it was just awarding cosmetics like say a new camo scheme - would have certainly helped in retention.
€4M gross revenue -> 3.3 after taxes (20%) ->2.3 after the 30% cut by steam. There are two ways publishing contracts usually get handled: Work for hire, in which case Eugen sees nothing of the revenue and publishing license agreements in which case the Eugen would see a percentage of the revenues after all the development costs have been covered by revenue.
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Why would they pay any tax if they are losing money? Also, taxes would come out after the other costs, not before.
Value-Added Tax, which we as a customer have to pay when we buy something from Steam