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jonjowett said:
  • Improve relations to 200
  • Spend prestige on the subject interaction screen to decrease liberty desire (if you have 81-100 prestige then you can decrease LD by 50 while paused)
  • Spend your own mana to develop the subject's land
NB#1: Spending prestige and developing their land are tracked as two separate modifiers that will tick down at the same time. This means that, if you rely on both, then you will need to continuously spend prestige/mana to keep LD below 50.

NB#2: You can't get more than -100 LD from spending prestige or from developing their land.

NB#3: If you got the PU from the Burgundian Inheritance event then you will probably inherit them soon. In this case, developing their land seems like the obvious best choice.
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You can't placate PUs, that's just for vassals only. Developing then should be used sparingly, because you'll also have to pay for their integration (and inheritable PUs usually aren't disloyal by the time your truce with them runs out), but in the case of the BI, when you get the land for free I agree it's a viable tactic.

Outside of that though, it ticks down pretty quickly, their relative power increases, and you pay more for their integration later. Except when they are really close and you've done everything else in the book, I wouldn't do it, I'd rather dev my own lands to increase my power relative fo theirs.
 
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bokorthedust said:
You can't placate PUs, that's just for vassals only.
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I'd forgotten about that, I so rarely play as a Christian monarchy.

bokorthedust said:
Developing then should be used sparingly, because you'll also have to pay for their integration (and inheritable PUs usually aren't disloyal by the time your truce with them runs out), but in the case of the BI, when you get the land for free I agree it's a viable tactic.
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If you're panicking about ways to keep a PU, it's probably large and not inheritable (except by event), and it's probably REALLY worth keeping. (Eg. France as a PU under England.) So, probably, if the only way to keep the PU is to develop them then you just find a farmlands province and bite the bullet.
 
jonjowett said:
I'd forgotten about that, I so rarely play as a Christian monarchy.



If you're panicking about ways to keep a PU, it's probably large and not inheritable (except by event), and it's probably REALLY worth keeping. (Eg. France as a PU under England.) So, probably, if the only way to keep the PU is to develop them then you just find a farmlands province and bite the bullet.
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Yeah, I'm not saying there aren't cases where I wouldn't do it, I just like to exhaust all other options first. Keeping your rivals truce locked while you get stronger is also a risky, but valid tactic, at least I haven't really experienced randos supporting my subjects independence, and your rivals can't do it if they have a truce with both you and your subject.
 
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I'm in a punitive war against, well, half the world (an Indian OPM was the one who declared the war, but Austria and Spain are against me), and I find that Sus is on my side. How could it happen? As you can see, I'm not allied to them. GB joined me on a great power intervention, but I cannot see that Sus could do that.

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Saat98 said:
I'm in a punitive war against, well, half the world (an Indian OPM was the one who declared the war, but Austria and Spain are against me), and I find that Sus is on my side. How could it happen? As you can see, I'm not allied to them. GB joined me on a great power intervention, but I cannot see that Sus could do that.
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You really like them. Maybe they enforced peace on your enemy
 
jonjowett said:
Savescumming is still possible in ironman, it's just a bit more difficult. (Save. Do the test. If you need to reload: alt-tab, open task manager, force-quit EU4, launch EU4, load the game.)
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So unfortunate that my game crashes when a terrible heir is born! :eek:
 
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Best way to keep HR Emperor (Austria - my ally) from intervening when I take out Savoy - who is allied to a bunch of HRE princes (so I can't even attack an ally of theirs to keep Austria out of it)?
 
DominusNovus said:
Best way to keep HR Emperor (Austria - my ally) from intervening when I take out Savoy - who is allied to a bunch of HRE princes (so I can't even attack an ally of theirs to keep Austria out of it)?
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We need more information. Are you in the HRE? I guess not, otherwise Austria wouldn't intervene if you attacked one on Savoy's allies. Is he a common ally to you both? If yes, then you could attack someone else first, call in Austria and let him be distracted, and a month later declare on Savoy and fight that war on your own. However if you aren't in the HRE you can't declare a war on Savoy if you are already fighting a war either with or against Austria.

If you are outside the HRE, your best bet is if Austria is either heavily in debt (not ideal, because then we won't defend you either if need be), or are rivalled to Savoy, but there's slim chances of that outside of the game start or if Savoy is a beast in its own right.

Also, what's the date? Savoy should leave after the Shadow Kingdom incident, unless he was allied to Austria at the time, and then you could use the distract Austria method to pounce on Savoy.
 
bokorthedust said:
We need more information. Are you in the HRE? I guess not, otherwise Austria wouldn't intervene if you attacked one on Savoy's allies. Is he a common ally to you both? If yes, then you could attack someone else first, call in Austria and let him be distracted, and a month later declare on Savoy and fight that war on your own. However if you aren't in the HRE you can't declare a war on Savoy if you are already fighting a war either with or against Austria.

If you are outside the HRE, your best bet is if Austria is either heavily in debt (not ideal, because then we won't defend you either if need be), or are rivalled to Savoy, but there's slim chances of that outside of the game start or if Savoy is a beast in its own right.

Also, what's the date? Savoy should leave after the Shadow Kingdom incident, unless he was allied to Austria at the time, and then you could use the distract Austria method to pounce on Savoy.
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I'm outside, Savoy is allied to Austria. It is after the Shadow Kingdom, but I took their Italian provinces before it fired, so they're in the Empire. I'm large enough that I don't absolutely need Austria to defend me, but it would be nice to get a little bigger before I throw them by the wayside.
 
DominusNovus said:
I'm outside, Savoy is allied to Austria. It is after the Shadow Kingdom, but I took their Italian provinces before it fired, so they're in the Empire. I'm large enough that I don't absolutely need Austria to defend me, but it would be nice to get a little bigger before I throw them by the wayside.
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It's gonna be pretty hard then to attack them directly, because Austria is unlikely to rival them due to the size difference. Do they have an ally who is rivaled to Austria? If you are still in the first age, you could use claims off of claims to fabricate on that ally Austria wouldn't defend and take land from Savoy indirectly, but that is a very heavy AE move (non-cobelligerent, inside the HRE land). Outside of that, you can hope that either Austria loses the Emperorship, gets so thrashed that he wouldn't defend anyone, or that Savoy makes an ally outside the HRE who you can attack.
 
I having the Dhimmi estate @ 70% loyalty with 65% influenc, for the last 5years or so, and it shows a 10% tech cost reduction but in the tech overview tooltip it only shows a 5% reduction from the Dhimmi..? Are there any hidden modifiers for estates..?
 
Edward_blake said:
I having the Dhimmi estate @ 70% loyalty with 65% influenc, for the last 5years or so, and it shows a 10% tech cost reduction but in the tech overview tooltip it only shows a 5% reduction from the Dhimmi..? Are there any hidden modifiers for estates..?
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I don't think that there are any hidden modifiers which could make the tech discount differ between the two screens. Does it say "Dhimmi: -5%" or does it show two modifiers which add up to -5%? Or are you maybe looking at the discount on the right side of the tech screen? That only has the neighbor bonus, institution penalty and ahead of time penalty. The tooltip for the technology itself should show all modifiers and for me this works:
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If this doesn't work for you, can you attach your save file here? Then I can maybe tell you more
 
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eXistenZ2 said:
Aside from advisors, what is the best way to converts cash into monarch (and especially admin) points
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Promote advisors to level 5. (Requires a DLC.)

Everything else is really only a secondary effect - improve one thing so you can improve something else so you can improve mana generation/usage. For example:
  • Buff prestige/legitimacy/etc so you can afford to kill heirs until you get a good one.
  • Improve selected monuments (eg. for increased relations / gov cap / etc).
 
There is a certain chance to inherit a nation one has a PU with (and not have to wait or pay to integrate). Per the Wiki, it happens when "the ruler" dies.

Which ruler: The greater or lesser partner?
If lesser, then how can I find his age? When I check the normal location, it shows my ruler.
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