Events

[Shadow Knight]

Who would like to volunteer to write some manpower events?

My ability to code events is no where near what is needed to do some of them, so I am looking for someone to write them.

Some examples are:

For all the major powers (maybe some minors too, but especially the US and GB) events need to increase starting MP at the onset of the war to the starting MP levels (See manpower thread.). This is to limit large scale unit building before the war starts.

Going to need events for all countries that enact full mobilization/draft in their countries and/or colonies.

Some countries like Belgium need to have an event that cripples their manpower when their home territories are overrun.

GB might need an event that stirs unrest (perhaps rebellion) in India if they enact a draft in the colonies.

Mexico needs these numbers divided between the two factions there, I do not know enough about who should get what to make a call on this one.

Need an event to rob the Ottomans of their Egyptian manpower when they go to war against Great Britain.

Russia might need an event if they go into full mobilization that stirs dissent in Poland.

Anyone up to the challenge?

 

[StephenT]

Originally posted by shdwknightx
Need an event to rob the Ottomans of their Egyptian manpower when they go to war against Great Britain.

I'm wondering what the historical background for this is? I know that technically, Egypt was still an Ottoman vassal. However, she raised and supplied her own army which - since the early 19th century - had engaged in operations quite independent of the Turks. Including invading the Ottoman empire once, not to mention attempting to take over the Hedjaz and Sudan. After 1882 this army was effectively a British puppet force, but still nominally independent. (Its commander had the suspiciously non-Arabic sounding name of Sir Reginald Wingate).

The way I'd represent this would be to make Egypt a British puppet state, but give the Ottomans territorial claims over it.

 

[Shadow Knight]

I thought about that, but the data I was given had the population of Egypt thrown in with the Ottomans.

There are three ways it could go, that I see.

1) Egypt is a puppet state of Britain, and the Ottomans having territorial claims on Egypt.

2) There is no puppet state, the territory is British to start with. The Ottomans would have territorial claims on Egypt, however if they should re/conquer Egypt an event would kick in that would place the manpower that Egypt should get in the provinces. This is done so as to not give Britain any manpower from Egypt, no matter how meager they would get if it was theirs.

3) Egypt is a puppet state of the Ottomans, Britian has military access (maybe control too?). Then if Britain and the Ottomans go to war an event kicks in where Egypt becomes annexed by Brtain.

 

[Allenby]

Egypt can only be ruled by Britain.

It was apart of the Ottoman Empire only in name, and had been virtually independent since 1805 when Muhammad Ali led the country away. After 1882, Egypt was virtually run by the Earl of Cromer, later Lord Kitchener was its de facto ruler. The Sirdars of the Egyptian Army were British, the civil service was run by Britons, the Egyptian government was dominated by Britons, and thus Egypt must be either British territory or a British puppet (remembering that the Sudan was an Anglo-Egyptian condominium).

As for manpower events, I would not advise having an Indian rebellion event, as the British would have enough on their plate with an Irish rebellion, an Afghan rebellion and so on. The fact that there wasn't a serious rebellion in India during the war perhaps shows how unlikely it was to occur.

 

[Shadow Knight]

As for manpower events, I would not advise having an Indian rebellion event, as the British would have enough on their plate with an Irish rebellion, an Afghan rebellion and so on.

The only reason I mentioned a possible Indian rebellion was in the case that Britain enacted a full draft of its colonial territories for MP.

Event Example)

Germany declares war on Belgium, thus Britain in response to the violation of Belgian neutrality declares war on Germany.

An event pops up where Britain calls for volunteers, taking their starting MP from 200 (or whatever it is) to the 'starting MP' I gave in the MP thread. This event would also then wake up the next event in the MP series for Britain.

The next event would fire several years later, that would allow Britain to begin a full scale draft. Thus giving them the MP bonus I mentioned in the MP thread. This would then awaken one other MP event.

That event would ask whether Britain would like to enact a draft within the colonies (This would not include dominion territories, those would be counted in the other MP events.), their would be three choices:

1) Let me think on it. (Would fire this event off again 12 to 14 months from that point.)

2) We do not need their help! (Nothing would happen, and this event would never happen again.)

3) Yes, we need more men for the trenches. (Then Britain would get the MP bonus I mentioned in the MP thread, but their need for manpower would then allow a serious of events formenting dissent in India...) Because this would be the third option it would be the least likely chosen, but allow for a slight change in each game.

Besides just because it did not actually happen doesn't mean it could not have (The Germans on several occasions tried to send arms to Indian seperatists.).

 

[StephenT]

Can this be represented as events? As a non-event expert, I don't know if the game is flexible enough to handle this, but it was important to the way the war started.

Background: in 1911 Turkey and Brazil each ordered a battleship from Britain - the Turkish one was called the Resadiye, the Brazilian one the Rio de Janeiro. Both were scheduled for completion in August 1914.

In January 1914, a near-bankrupt Brazil sold their half-finished battleship to Turkey, who renamed it the Sultan Osman I.
Turkish event:
option_a ("We need to improve our fleet") give resources to Brazil, get a free battleship under construction, trigger Brazilian event;
option_b ("It's too expensive") do nothing
Brazilian event:
("We need the money") lose the battleship, gain the resources

In August 1914, Britain confiscated the two newly-completed battleships, renaming them Erin and Agincourt. This naturally upset the Turks greatly.
British event:
option_a ("Our national survival is at stake") gain 2 battleships, Turkish alignment shifts right over to Germany, trigger Turkish event;
option_b ("Don't upset the Turks") do nothing.
Turkish event:
("Thieving infidels!") lose the 2 battleships.

There may need to be two sets of events for this, depending on which option was chosen in the Brazil-Turkey event pair.

In response, Germany sold its Mediterranean Division (the battlecruiser Goeben and cruiser Breslau) to Turkey. The ships were renamed Yavuz Sultan Selim and Midilli, respectively, but their German crews continued to operate them. Turkey immediately declared war on the Allies.
German event, triggered by Britain seizing the ships:
option_a ("Seize the opportunity") offer the ships to Turkey, trigger Turkish event;
option_b ("We need the ships ourselves") do nothing.
Turkish event:
option_a ("We thank our German friends") accept the ships, pay a small amount of resources to Germany, immediately join Germany's alliance, trigger next German event;
option_b ("Don't get involved") do nothing.
Next German event:
("Great!") lose the ships, gain the resources

Transferring the ships would best be done as an expeditionary force, but failing that, delete them (and leader Souchon) from the German OOB and add them to the Turkish. Presumably there'd need to be a check that the ships still existed when the event fired; I don't know if this is possible. To get really fancy, the last set of events should only trigger if the Goeben reaches a Turkish port, but that might be getting too complicated.

 

[Prufrock451]

Some other events:

The Mont Blanc explosion. In the Canadian port of Halifax, Nova Scotia, a Belgian steamer collided with the ammo ship Mont Blanc, setting off a huge (almost nuclear-level) explosion that levelled much of Halifax and killed 1,600 people. This should cost Britain a couple of manpower and a good chunk of supplies.

1916 Polio Epidemic- In the worst polio outbreak in American history, 7,000 were killed and another 20,000 paralyzed.

 

[Angelos]

Concerning turkish naval competence in that era,one should try to simulate Turkey's unwillingness to use their navy after 1913 in the Aegean.
After the Elli naval confrontation,the crippled naval forces of the ottomans sealed themselves in the bosporus for the remainder of the war(in fact until 1924),fearing the greek fleet that had effectively knocked all three turkish "dreadnoughts" out of action.
Maybe this should be simulated by a lack of naval tech or total lack of starting fleets for the ottomans.

 

[Angelos]

Originally posted by Allenby
Egypt can only be ruled by Britain.

It was apart of the Ottoman Empire only in name, and had been virtually independent since 1805 when Muhammad Ali led the country away. After 1882, Egypt was virtually run by the Earl of Cromer, later Lord Kitchener was its de facto ruler. The Sirdars of the Egyptian Army were British, the civil service was run by Britons, the Egyptian government was dominated by Britons, and thus Egypt must be either British territory or a British puppet (remembering that the Sudan was an Anglo-Egyptian condominium).

The man is right.
Moreover we should have two relevant events:
i)The Mahdi uprising
ii)Kitchener wanting to take Mahdi's head to Britain.
He actually tore the grave apart and actually wanted taking the head to Victoria.Ofcourse,she refused.It could be a nice dissent event for both Egypt and GB.

 

[Allenby]

Originally posted by Angelos
The man is right.
Moreover we should have two relevant events:
i)The Mahdi uprising
ii)Kitchener wanting to take Mahdi's head to Britain.
He actually tore the grave apart and actually wanted taking the head to Victoria.Ofcourse,she refused.It could be a nice dissent event for both Egypt and GB.

Maybe these events would be suitable for the 'Save Gordon' modification of HOI which, at its current rate of development, will be ready by June 2034.

 

[StephenT]

Originally posted by Angelos
Maybe this should be simulated by a lack of naval tech or total lack of starting fleets for the ottomans.

Lack of naval tech leading to low organisation sounds good to me: that means the Turkish fleet will tend to run away soon after battle begins.

However, the Turkish fleet was active during WW1, mostly against the Russians: Hamidieh bombarded Odessa, Medjidieh shelled Nikolaev before being mined. By my calculations they should have 2 pre-dreadnoughts, 2 cruisers and two flotillas of destroyers. That's smaller than the Greek fleet, let alone the Russian Black Sea Fleet, so the sensible Turkish player is likely to stay in port anyway...

 

[unmerged(15579)]

I am sorry if these havent been suggested before, but here is an idea that would make the game a little more historic/fun. During the war, some of the armies just "collapsed". When I say collapsed, I mean that they just lost their will to fight, and were demoralized severely. This happened to the Italians after Caporetto, to the French (not sure of the date), to the Russians (I believe it was after Garlice-Tarnow), and to the 5th BEF Army during I believe the summer of 1917.

You guys are doing wonderful, I think this mod will be amazing, keep up the excellent work.

 

[Allenby]

I think armies 'collapsing' happens in the standard HOI anyway - at least, their organisation level drops so low that they simply forced to retreat.

 

[Angelos]

The collapse of the french army was actually much more crucial than a lack of org would demonstrate.
It should be accompanied by extreme dissent and drop of manp.
This goes for Russia as well,even in a larger scale.

 

[Allenby]

Originally posted by StephenT
Can this be represented as events? As a non-event expert, I don't know if the game is flexible enough to handle this, but it was important to the way the war started.

Background: in 1911 Turkey and Brazil each ordered a battleship from Britain - the Turkish one was called the Resadiye, the Brazilian one the Rio de Janeiro. Both were scheduled for completion in August 1914.

In January 1914, a near-bankrupt Brazil sold their half-finished battleship to Turkey, who renamed it the Sultan Osman I.
Turkish event:
option_a ("We need to improve our fleet") give resources to Brazil, get a free battleship under construction, trigger Brazilian event;
option_b ("It's too expensive") do nothing
Brazilian event:
("We need the money") lose the battleship, gain the resources

Surely the Admiralty would have seized the two warships irrespective of whether they were Brazilian or Turkish. Or has that already been covered and I just haven't noticed?

 

[StephenT]

Turkey was practically a German satellite by this time (Liman von Sanders' military mission, the Baghdad railway), so I don't think Churchill was too worried about upsetting them. Brazil, on the other hand, was a valuable friend and commercial partner in Latin America. If the dreadnought had still belonged to them, I think the British would have had to offer generous payment in return, rather than just taking the ship.

Also, how many other Brazilian events can you think of?

 

[Allenby]

Originally posted by StephenT
Also, how many other Brazilian events can you think of?

*stares blankly out of the window*

 

[Kaiser Bill]

Originally posted by Angelos
The man is right.
Moreover we should have two relevant events:
i)The Mahdi uprising
ii)Kitchener wanting to take Mahdi's head to Britain.
He actually tore the grave apart and actually wanted taking the head to Victoria.Ofcourse,she refused.It could be a nice dissent event for both Egypt and GB.

Didn't he give it to the Royal College of Surgeons? Something akin to sticking his head on a pike, only more civilised! (just)

 

[Angelos]

I just know that Victoria did not take it herself.Didn't know the RC took it.What for?I mean why would they ever accept such an atrocious gift?

 

[StephenT]

Actually, most Victorian hospitals (and museums) had all sorts of assorted human body parts stored away. For study and experimentation, of course. And teaching the students. Definitely not for creating hideous, lumbering Frankenstein-type zombie monsters*. Nope, not at all.

* Needs 'weird science' prerequisite; Soft attack 10, defence 15, move 'really slow'...