I mean Caen is what Normandy was all about. Without Caen the allies could not push out into the country side. We need a good city map to fight over. Don't make me beg.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CharnwoodThere was no battle for or in Caen itself...the germans simply moved out of it. If they hadn't, Montgomery would still be trying to take it.
There was no battle for or in Caen itself...the germans simply moved out of it. If they hadn't, Montgomery would still be trying to take it.
How do you make a big city map that doesn't turn into an arty hell spamfest? We already have tons of memes about how you have to flatten even small towns to take it and this would be even worse.
Seriously. Explain to me how because I'm also interested in these town fights.
Exactly. Pair that with the fact that armour is next to useless in a large urban environment, and you have a map that isn't that fun to play. At least, not with all the divisions. I imagine the 6th Airborne would play well in that sort of environment. And the 15th Scottish and the 3rd Canadian with their AVREs and flame tanks/Universal Carriers.Ok, so you make a local breakthrough.
I see the front line move.
I use all these nebels/xylophones to level the area.
You are now on fire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Charnwood
Anyway, the devs have said that a map that is just an urban city wouldn't work because Armoured divisions would be at a large disadvantage, and it would, of course, be dominated by infantry, artillery and aircraft, playing much slower as a result.
Well, looks like it's stopping them now.Didn't stop them having maps like Copenhagen or Wonsan Harbour in Wargame.
Well, looks like it's stopping them now.
Did you actually read that reference, or any other work on Charnwood? It was a limited two day offensive to secure part of the city. A full assault intending to take it would have had enormous problems, seeing a river ran through the centre of it. 12SS HJ held the Canadians up for weeks on an airport, a concerted effort to hold Caen would have turned the city into a second Stalingrad.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Charnwood
Anyway, the devs have said that a map that is just an urban city wouldn't work because Armoured divisions would be at a large disadvantage, and it would, of course, be dominated by infantry, artillery and aircraft, playing much slower as a result. There are maps set near Caen, though, such as Carpiquet airfield, Colombelles, and Hill 112.
Deleted comment...very unfair and uncalled for by me.
Which is particularly odd given it's so much easier to use armour in built up areas in SD in comparison to Wargame, it's actually worth microing vehicles in towns to support your infantry (Brummbar is one of my favoruite units), when in Wargame you wouldn't because it'd just die.
Also if it was a 10v10 map it'd probably be large enough for them to fit in a large chunk of the surrounding countryside, if that's their concern.
But it still means that your original post (or at least, the wording of it) was wrong. Operation Charnwood ended with the city north of the river in British hands, and Operation Goodwood ended with it completely behind the British front lines.Did you actually read that reference, or any other work on Charnwood? It was a limited two day offensive to secure part of the city. A full assault intending to take it would have had enormous problems, seeing a river ran through the centre of it. 12SS HJ held the Canadians up for weeks on an airport, a concerted effort to hold Caen would have turned the city into a second Stalingrad.
But it still means that your original post (or at least, the wording of it) was wrong. Operation Charnwood ended with the city north of the river in British hands, and Operation Goodwood ended with it completely behind the British front lines.
What I'm saying is that there was fighting in the city of Caen itself (not that the Germans 'simply moved out of it' and the Anglo-Canadians just walked in as your post suggests), and I think I've heard the Battle of Caen being compared to the Battle of Stalingrad at least once.
Ummm...if you include a bit of skirmishing with rearguards and capturing half a dozen villages as 'city fighting', you have a point. That would make the comparison with Stalingrad valid, as it would include the capture of the village of Kalach forty kilometres to the west of Stalingrad.But it still means that your original post (or at least, the wording of it) was wrong. Operation Charnwood ended with the city north of the river in British hands, and Operation Goodwood ended with it completely behind the British front lines.
What I'm saying is that there was fighting in the city of Caen itself (not that the Germans 'simply moved out of it' and the Anglo-Canadians just walked in as your post suggests), and I think I've heard the Battle of Caen being compared to the Battle of Stalingrad at least once.