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I saw in revolt.txt that a released Crimea will be Muslim even if the province of Crimea is Orthodox. So we either have to edit the save, or find another nation we can release. I think Saratow and Bogutjar(?) can be released, but I don't think they will have Nomadic Turcomen as culture though...

How's things shaping up, Brian?
 
The Three Es in Finland: 1560-1584



The 1560s: Expansion

The start of my turn should come as no surprise for anybody who's participated in or followed our discussion. Peace came in March, 1561 with the terms of Vasterbotten, Gastrikland, Bergslagen, and Gotland to Finland and 25 ducats to the alliance. Union of Kalmar did not wish to adhere to these terms at first, and took a couple of stab hits for their trouble, but came through on the third try.

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With the period of war behind us, and giving us a net gain of provinces, it was time to focus on strengthening the standing of our battle-torn nation, through some powerful diplomatic means.

Starting in 1562, we received a series of these events, concerning the spread of Calvinism throughout our lands.

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For the most part, the wise move is to ban the priests. It provides a small temporary increase in revolt risk. The other options involve allowing the provinces to convert to reformed or taking a stab hit.

1562 was otherwise spent strengthening our ties with our allies, particularly our vassal, Suzdal. A small degree of minting was also done this year to pay off a loan in 1563. This work was for another expected maneuver, which came to fruition in the spring of 1563

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Suzdal accepted annexation without complaint, shortly after our dominance over the True Orthodox peoples of Russia was confirmed formally.


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Lacking a vassal and a member of our alliance, I proceeded to rectify this through allowing a long oppressed people of the former Ducky of Suzdal their autonomy. Strange to the ears of all people, they established the little known state of Lithuania. Who knew that there was such national identity in this area of the Baltic?

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This nation joined our alliance shortly thereafter.

Throughout this period, investment was focused entirely on land research, that the technological might of our armies could be once again at the forefront, so that we cannot be overwhelmed by a mighty alliance as we were in the past. Meanwhile, our army weakened through the long hard period war, was rebuilt. In 1565 we achieved land tech 14, and promptly started a victorious, though disappointing war on our perennial enemies, the Teutonic Order.

At this point, the Teutonic Order had a very small army which was quickly routed by our alliance, as Finland put all of her cities under siege. Ultimately, not all goals of the Finnic Alliance were accomplished though, as Lithuania, despite our financial urging, would not build an army and join in a siege. We were unable to bring them control of Lithuania or Mozyr, so all cities instead fell to the armies of Finland. Peace was made the following year, for vassalization, Mozyr, and a small sum of gold.


The 1570s: Economics


Once again at peace, focus again returned to the economy. Tax collectors were built in most provinces that did not yet have them: our newly inherited lands in Russia, Mozyr, and the former UoK provinces. This brought our yearly income over 180 ducats, giving Finland greater wealth to build.

Our quite capable diplomatic and administrative king used this opportunity to strengthen relations and build an alliance with our new Teutonic vassals, build a new modern navy, and convert some of the long held heretic lands of the realm.

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As the fruits of this labor were brought forth in the 1570s (with surprising success as Finland was converted with only one attempt. Chances were about 30%). We were pleased to notice our neighbors following suit.

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Seeing these attributes shared by our policies and theirs, we once again moved to bring our relationship with the Duchy of Tver to a new level.

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Pleased with the result, the social policies of the 1570s continued, with more fortunate (though slightly more expected - 56%) success.

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That's some awesome news, Brian. I'm delighted to see two successful conversion in a row (finally!). The easy vassalization of Tver was another pleasant surprise.
It seems though that you haven't yet covered the whole turn of yours in the AAR.

If I understand correctly, it's my turn now, right? I'll do it as soon as possible, most probably tomorrow or on Wednesday. Are there any particular goals I should aim for as I go?
 
The 1580s: Exploration

Unfortunately, I lost the picture but in the late 1570s, we received an event briefly bringing an explorer to Finland, and the customary three warships along with him. Embarking from Smaland, our oceanic navy of six warships and one transport left the galleys behind and proceeded with a small army across the Atlantic to stake our claim in the West.

Discovering a small period on the shore, we established a trading post, then a colony in the province of Capinascau. It does not have a port (fortunately UoK still gives us mil. access), and is good for very little beyond a possible strategic location to stash troops for future colonial wars. Even so, we'd need far more growth there, for it to support a respectable army through the harsh winters. A center of trade soon appeared there, but is quite small.

Further exploration revealed some available and potentially valuable land for colonization in the cotton provinces far to the south. However, due to the current royal policy which argues that land south of the 50th parallel would be too difficult to administer, nothing was established there.

In 1580, we did receive some encouragement to alter that policy though.

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I'm doubtful whether we need to pursue this, but I did gain military access with the relatively friendly nearby country of Jolof, just in case we do decide to take advantage of this core. Our house rules on colonization suggests to leave it alone, but it's not that remote compared to, say, Bouvet Island.

Anyway, here is the status of Finland in 1584. Our explorer has died, and our navy is back home. Rebels have taken over Livland a couple of times, but the bastards always come to take it back. Tver has been pretty quiet lately, and as our badboy was pretty high due to the wars and the Czar of Russia event, I didn't focus on reclaiming it.

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Here is the colonial map. The green is ours, with the exceptions of Manicougan, Stadacone, Micmac, Acadie, Nova Scotia, Isle Royale, Gander, Delaware, Roanoake, Santee, Carolina, that province on Greenland (Vestbygden?) and the Terra Incognita.

Capinascau is a level 3 colony, but still pretty expensive to build.

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Here's a map of that core that we now have in Africa. The dark blue provinces to the northwest are Jolof.

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Religious map: only two Muslim provinces now. Kazan can be released if we can convert it, but it is expensive and not one of our cultures. Our new monarch is as capable as our last for conversions though.

Also note that Tver succeeded with their conversion of Vorones. Livland is fortunately still Orthodox too.

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Army: 70-80,000 of 140-150 maximum
Navy: 10 warships, 29 galleys, 1 transport

LT: 17. 18, despite the new CRT is expensive and maybe Ahead of time so I've been investing Naval and Infra lately.

Overall, though, we should be in decent shape if we go to war, but we still have to watch the Badboy. Its still up at 11 of 43(?)

Allies and vassals: Tver, Skane, Lithuania, Teutonic Order. The latest is about 17 years old, so not quite ripe for annexation, but close. If they refuse and break, then we could always go to war with them and see if we can try again to win Lithuania her namesake province. Don't know what you want to do if we do annex them. Maybe we could edit the save and give those lands to Lithuania, if we don't want too many provinces inland from the Baltic?

Inflation is the one bit of bad news I have. I had to mint a little bit early on, and I think there was a corruption event too, so we're up to 4.1%

Save is in my post from last night, Krk, if you haven't seen it.

Hmm... possible goals could be to build our colony into a city so it can hold a small army through the winter. Convert some more provinces. Regain Livland. Maybe annex T.O, sometime around 1597...
 
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Wow good stuff!

My first thoughts are DA the Toots and Lithuania as Lith can be released as a potentially 4 province nation (Lith, Mozyr, Belarus and Volyn).

Also, if Ashanti are Pagan then we can grab some land pretty easily - also I'd rather colonise some decent cotton provinces over random bits of frozen wasteland - we might as well just keep the Russian provinces :rofl:
 
PrawnStar said:
Wow good stuff!

My first thoughts are DA the Toots and Lithuania as Lith can be released as a potentially 4 province nation (Lith, Mozyr, Belarus and Volyn).

Only problem there would be that they'd likely show with Lithuania as their capital, meaning they'd be Catholic unless we can convert it first.
 
Excellent stuff! Getting Russian culture and vassalizing Tver should do wonders to our economy. Good news on the conversions as well. I hope none of our Scandinavian holdings doesn't convert to Protestant, but with so many tolerancy sliders it shouldn't be a big problem. We might want to target the two(?) Muslim provinces in the east first though, so we don't need to tolerate them.

We still want to get rid of UoK, right? If so, we need to edit the save to reduce the size of the forts in UoKs provinces in North America. I'll ask Matty if there's anything we can do to prevent the forts getting larger due to events. By the way, does UoK got colonies other places?

Nice finish on TO. I don't know if I would have vassalized them though. :p I suggest doing like PrawnStar said - annex both TO and Lithuania, and release Lithuania again. Only problem is that they will be Catholic like Brian mentioned.

I didn't expect a CoT to appear that fast in our colony. Too bad it is so small though. After we have expanded it to a colonial city, I think we should grab the unoccupied province at Hudson Bay. Regarding Leone, I think we should leave it alone for the time being. :p

Goals for the near future: same as Brian said, but also do some expansion west perhaps? Weaken Norway a bit? Take some of their colonies?
 
Olav said:
two(?) Muslim provinces in the east

Nice finish on TO. I don't know if I would have vassalized them though. :p I suggest doing like PrawnStar said - annex both TO and Lithuania, and release Lithuania again. Only problem is that they will be Catholic like Brian mentioned.

I didn't expect a CoT to appear that fast in our colony. Too bad it is so small though. After we have expanded it to a colonial city, I think we should grab the unoccupied province at Hudson Bay. Regarding Leone, I think we should leave it alone for the time being. :p

Indeed two Muslim provinces. Tambow and Kazan. The latter allows for a vassal to release, but the former could be cheaper to convert.

Agreed with the plan for Lithuania, but as we'd need the province of Lithuania (I think) converted first, we'd might as well leave them alone until then. I figured no harm vassalizing T.O. as I wasn't going to go to war with them for a while anyway. If we don't want them as vassals long term then go for the diplo-annex until they break or accept. ;)

Tried three times to get a trading post in that bastard up on Hudson Bay without success. I hope somebody can do it.
 
Good point about Lithuania - I'd like to see them as three province Orthodox vassel but it might not be too easy.

If we are willing to do some save file surgery then Tambow could be given to Kazan as well - it's a Turcoman rather than Russian cultured province.
 
Kazan is just like Crimea defined as Muslim in Revolt.txt. :( So no point in releasing them, I'm afraid. But lets look at it from the bright side - we can release other vassals that could help us in the west.

Emperor_krk said:
If I understand correctly, it's my turn now, right?
Yes. :)
 
There was another nation available for release shortly after I received the event. Blue Horde or something like that. They had the provinces of Kazan, Kazan, and Kazan. :p Don't think they're avaiable now though.

And another, I just noticed. Turkmenistan (Way up there?!) That gives Kazan and Tambow? Any info on whether they can be made Orthodox?
 
Turkmenistan? Heh, I would have expected them to be east of the Caspian Sea. :D I'm afraid that they as well will only be Muslim. :(

Code:
MLL = {
	revolt = no
	date = { year = 1580 }
	expirydate = { year = 1591 }
	minimum = { 446 447 453 454 456 457 458 463 464 465 466 467 }
	extra = {  }
	capital = 457
	group = orthodox
	religion = sunni        #Grrr....

ABB = {                             #Blue Horde
	date = { year = 1552 }
	expirydate = { year = 1569 }          #... :(
	minimum = { 446 458 453 454 466 467 }
	extra = { 455 456 457 }
	capital = 458
	group = muslim
	ai = "horde.ai"
 }

No dice on those two I'm afraid. :(
 
Well, then its down to save file editing. We could give them to Tver. Or to Suzdal, which is still availabe for release in Vladimir. We'd lose one of our cores though, and a rich one at that.

Or we could just release Turkmenistan now as they're going to be Muslim anyway.

Or we could just grunt it out, convert 'em, and hang on to them. They are decent iron provinces, after all. I'd vote for this unless we're still trying to go by one of the early rules of only owning certain cultured provinces.
 
On the other hand, I'd opt for releasing the vassal Kazan regardless of them being sunni. I'd do anything to get rid of these useless muslim provinces, and to free the tolerance slider for the case of our Scandinavian provinces converting.

However, that's still up for debate, as I haven't started playing yet. Will do that tomorrow though, either in the morning or in the evening.
 
Regarding Tambov and Kazan - I think we should try to convert Kazan. If it converts, we release Turkmenistan with Tambov (or Kazan, but then we have to "give" them Tambov). Then we edit Turkmenistans religion in the save-file to Orthodox. A bit gamey, but I think it is justified if we manage to convert Kazan... I hope it's okay for you.

I did like the suggestion of keeping the provinces. But I think we should follow the culture-rule.

Oh, and I hope you survived the end of the election-campaign Brian. :D
 
Given the overall goal of spreading Orthodoxy I think we should only release countries if they are going to stay Orthodox - so an Orthodox Turkmenistan is OK by me. After all they're already lost so they might as well change faith as well.

Mega Death - if you're still reading, massive congratulations on your three (3, count'em!) ACA victories this quarter.
 
My today's report will be a laconic one - I don't have much time on my hands, unfortunately, and it's already quite late here, so please excuse the low language quality of this report. The meritorical quality though may please you guys, for I bring good news mostly. It begins with a nice random event we received in the late 1580's called 'Pressure of progress', giving us 3000 infra and 600 in trade investments.

I've played 15 years, until 1599, leaving the DP slider move to the next in line. This part of the reign of the great Tapani I was spent very peacefully, maintaining our monopoly in Nyland and achieving trade monopolies in Budapest, Athens and Baghdad. Attempts were made to place merchants as well in Cordoba, but as soon as a caravan of goods was sent there, we were embargoed. This may be useful in the future, should we want to get some Muslim maps for example.

In Hungary, after a few years of peaceful coexistence, our merchants were as well banned - for no apparent reason. Well, the fact that our goods were slowly monopolising the Hungarian market might have been one, but the idea itself of such mercantilist policies is unthinkable in our liberal, free trade state.

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Numerous missionaries were sent, at first to Tambov (where the inquisition twice failed, in 1588 and 1593), then to Kazan and Tambov. Despite the odds being very much against us (30% in Tambov, and I think 21% in Kazan), this time both provinces converted. Therefore the next person can modify their revolt.txt by deleting the line concerning Kazan's religion, and release them, giving them Tambov as well.

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In 1596, Teutonic Order was annexed. I was also able to, at some point, create a trading post in Attawapiskat, that godforsaken province on Hudson Bay. It's level 2 currently. I haven't expanded our only colony much (1 or 2 levels) due to the price - I'd rather spend the money at my disposal on conversions.

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Numerous heretic movements were encountered, though. Our armies had to quell at least 9 revolts of that kind during the last decade.

One of the last decisions before saving the game was the conversion attempt in Lithuania - the chances there are moderate (30%), I'd hope for converting it and then annexing/releasing Lithuania as had been suggested earlier.

No changes really.
NT has risen by one level, I was investing mostly in Infrastructure, in which we are 1 year from achieving level 4. We may want to get Trade 5 then, which is about 9-10 years away. I'd then invest some more in LT and NT.
Vassals: same, except for TO
Alliance: no new members
CB: same

The savegame is HERE
 
A peaceful, but very profitable turn! That random event was insane; 3000 Infra investment is very helpful for us.

It's releaving to finally see TO gone. Not that they created so much trouble for us though. :) I'll try to convert Lithuania during my turn. And it was some good luck on Tambov and Kazan. I'll release Turkmenistan then, after I've modified revolt.txt.

If it has passed 30 years since Tver was vassalized, I might want to annex them. I think I will time it with the annexation of Lithuania, so when re-releasing Lithuania they will get plenty of provinces - hopefully the provinces we get from Tver that we don't need. Hope that made sense. :D I will also be on the lookout for more vassals. Smolensk and Cossack-Hetmanate comes to mind.

By the way, I see you had maintenance at 100%, krk. Was it due to rebels? It isn't necessary to set it to 100%, since the rebels will get the morale bonus as well. :)

I will play tomorrow I guess. Maybe tonight, if I find the time. So the next turn will be this weekend - so maybe change turns for you two, PrawnStar and Brian?

And congratulations with the awards, PrawnStar and Mega Death!
 
Olav said:
I will also be on the lookout for more vassals. Smolensk and Cossack-Hetmanate comes to mind.
Smolensk is a vassal of the former Cossack Hetmanate ('cos it's now called the Republic of Ukraine), so this won't be possible. About Lithuania - in the revolt.txt they have only Lithuania, Belarus, Mozyr and Volyn provinces specified for them, so they won't get any provs that Tver owns if you annex Tver first. BTW, I think that almost all of Tver's provinces are russian culture, anyway.

Olav said:
By the way, I see you had maintenance at 100%, krk. Was it due to rebels? It isn't necessary to set it to 100%, since the rebels will get the morale bonus as well. :)
Oh. Didn't know that. Thank you for sharing the knowledge. And I thought I can't learn anything new after all these years of playing EU2. :eek:o :D

Olav said:
And congratulations with the awards, PrawnStar and Mega Death!
Seconded!

BTW, the ACA should have some category for cooperative AARs. :p