Is there a limit to how far away in light years from the Sun? Like can you colonize a star system say 100+ light years away.
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It's supposed to be in 2018.
About Taiwan, are you sure that China would risk a war against Japan because of a province that isn't even de facto Chinese? It may well be, but it may also not happen. This is how i figured the scenario. However i like your point of view.
Also, i forgot to specify that federation proposal, i tought it was obvious when i said that Taiwan accepted integration in the Japanese Empire.
And on the Korean Question, well, i guess a little change in the history can be made. What if DPRK dictator Kim Jong-Un is overthrown, and DPKR requests integration in South Korea? I know Koreans hate each other, but after seeing the progresses of SK, the North Koreans would be willing to reunite themselves. In that case China forcing South Korea to not accept the proposal would lead to ONU protest. And as an Italian i know the regional development differences matter, but cultural unity is worth more than economical interest in the people's eyes.
No, the only limit are Jump Points. The JP conduce to the other systems, and there are 10 in the Solar System. Other systems have random numbers, and these JP connect systems like a web. So if you want to colonize Procyon, if you discover the JP route to it, you can go ahead if there are any planets good for the human race.
I have no preferences, i could use both IRC and PMs.
Travel between two "linked" planetary systems through their jump points is instantaneous. But you need a ship equipped with jump engines or a jump gate built (on both sides if you want to be able to travel back). These things will be unlocked by research later on.
Normally your real limit of range will be fuel and deployment time of your military ships offering protection, so to expand far away you need to set up forward colonies/bases.
About the Taiwan political situation I suggest using PM or IRC to keep this thread focused on things directly about the game.
Personally I hate IRC, and would much rather use PMs.
Edit: I'd also say Taiwan is more likely to merge with mainland China than Japan, probably as a semi-autonomous region like Hong Kong. South Korea annexing N Korea after the later implodes is entirely plausible IMHO, China would probably growl but go along with it but insist that the US reduce/remove its presence in Korea now that there was no DPRK threat. N Korea is more of a strategic liability than an asset these days, and would likely only become more so in the next two decades.
Edit: I'd also say Taiwan is more likely to merge with mainland China than Japan, probably as a semi-autonomous region like Hong Kong. South Korea annexing N Korea after the later implodes is entirely plausible IMHO, China would probably growl but go along with it but insist that the US reduce/remove its presence in Korea now that there was no DPRK threat. N Korea is more of a strategic liability than an asset these days, and would likely only become more so in the next two decades.
IC: Turkish researchers were hoping for a direct collaboration, as opposed to facilities rental. While our tech sector is not as robust as others, our 6 major labs can accelerate a joint project significantly.
Well, Taiwan is a bit of a touchy matter. It is more a matter of pride et al than actual worth. The reason it works nowadays is that they both claim to be China, both Taiwan and the PRC agree on that point. What they disagree on is which China. Currently, the Sino-Taiwanese relationship is moderately friendly, and due to cultural and other reasons I'd say it's more likely that Taiwan would join China in some form of special arrangement similar to Hong Kong et al than for them to join their traditional enemy (i.e. Japan).
And on Japan, I think you should indeed specify that it is a federation rather than an authoritarian monarchical state, or whatever. While Japan does still have its Emperor, calling it the Japanese Empire does have certain connotations.
Ah, so very true on ignoring the economics. xD
There are leaked documents which suggest that China would accept a Korea united by the RoK if USA military bases were not constructed in North Korea. The PRC and the RoK do actually have a cordial relationship from what I understand, helped on very much due to trade.
Last Note: I think we should just take this discussion to PM as suggested by Alex_brunius, if we're continuing it that is.
Well, i'd say independent Taiwan with high relations with China. I guess this is ok for everyone.
Note that with this, Japan has a significant shortage of manpower, as 1200 Industry with 150 milllion people are impossible to man. Gonna reduce a bit Japanese Industry, subsequently, to 900 CI, to reduce the shortage.
I'm halfway into putting the empires into aurora. Tomorrow i'll send everyone the post with the Scientists/Officers pool, and update a bit the empire stats, adding the NPE statistics. Note that NPE aren't advancing or building ships, industry or whatever. After that, we can finally begin. Also, i've made a mistake in the BP section, to be corrected along with the update.
Side note: i have to put also Brazil in the empires, as there aren't South American "human" countries and it's the biggest power not played by anyone. If anyone new wants to join i'd like a Brazil player, altough you're free to play every nation.
IC: ESA leaves open the 3 laboratories rental to any country which wants to accept the offer. Especially those countries with a manpower shortage would highly benefit for such an exchange, like USA or Japan.
Note that with this, Japan has a significant shortage of manpower, as 1200 Industry with 150 milllion people are impossible to man. Gonna reduce a bit Japanese Industry, subsequently, to 900 CI, to reduce the shortage.
I'm halfway into putting the empires into aurora. Tomorrow i'll send everyone the post with the Scientists/Officers pool, and update a bit the empire stats, adding the NPE statistics. Note that NPE aren't advancing or building ships, industry or whatever. After that, we can finally begin. Also, i've made a mistake in the BP section, to be corrected along with the update.
Side note: i have to put also Brazil in the empires, as there aren't South American "human" countries and it's the biggest power not played by anyone. If anyone new wants to join i'd like a Brazil player, altough you're free to play every nation.
IC: ESA leaves open the 3 laboratories rental to any country which wants to accept the offer. Especially those countries with a manpower shortage would highly benefit for such an exchange, like USA or Japan.
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IC:The South African Union would like to rent the 3 open laboratories.
By the way are certain areas in South Africa still screwed up alot?I.E. Mozambique,Angola, and the other nations like them in Southern Africa.
Edit:Would I really need the laboratories as I only have a population of 135 million?
By the way are certain areas in South Africa still screwed up alot?I.E. Mozambique,Angola, and the other nations like them in Southern Africa.
Edit:Would I really need the laboratories as I only have a population of 135 million?
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Well, South Africa is rich, but the inland isn't surely the richest place in the world. I had to balance.
And, yes, you have enough manpower. Especially because you'll lend me industry, and that will free manpower. Don't worry, industry w/o TN tech it's almost useless.
IC:
The EU will be able to provide the labs for mid 2031, maybe earlier. In exchange, SAU would have to provide 50 Conventional Industries for the time. The rental will finish the exact time SAU will achieve TN technology.
ESA is ready to conclude the trade.
IC: The South African Union accepts the trade.
So pretty much for the first turn TN will be researched and completed right?
So pretty much for the first turn TN will be researched and completed right?
Yes, altough it will need more than one turn. I'll need approx 18 months with 18 labs, but i have poor scientists.
Johannesburg Production and Research Treaty
1. The EU will lend 3 Research labs facilities to the SAU. The lending will happen as soon as the EU announces a breakthrough in Trans-Newtonian Technology.
2. The SAU will lend 50 Conventional Industry to the EU. The lending will happen as soon as the Research Labs are operative for SAU scientists.
3. The lending will last until SAU completes Trans-Newtonian Technology.
President Ryan Stinson, on behalf of the EU [X]
President Jan Bleecker, on behalf of the SAU [X]
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Recent History of the Russian Federation
2012 - The leaders of Belarus, Russia and Kazakhstan begin talks and progress towards the Eurasian Union, a political and economic union of the three countries. A target for federation is set at 2015.
2013 - A renewed wave of Chechen agitation and terrorist attacks sees President Putin reverse Medvedev's decision to allow regional and autonomous Governors to be popularly elected back in 2012. Once more all Governors are to be appointed by the President, this time permanently.
2014 - The surprise death of Nursultan Nazarbayev, President of Kazakhstan and the main driving force behind the Eurasian Union, halts the progress of the Eurasian Commission as the succession in Kazakhstan is settled. Despite attempts by Nazarbayev's political party, Nur Otan, to maintain power, a general popular backlash against the government sees the Patriots Party sweep into power. With a decidedly pro-Turkic and anti-Russian slant, the new president promptly withdraws from the Eurasian Union talks, thus causing the entire project to collapse. Several months later he would also withdraw Kazakhstan from the customs union it shared with Russia and Belarus. Relations between Kazakhstan and Russia would slowly deteriorate over the next two decades.
2015 - Inspired by Kazakhstan's new Anti-Russian government, and also the Colour revolutions that broke out across the Post-Soviet Bloc in the 00s, the White Revolution occurs in Belarus. Although initially occurring as a hostile response to the announcement by Alexander Lukashenko of renewed federation talks with Russia, the main source of discontent was from Lukashenko's brutal rule over the country. Combined with a new round of EU and International sanctions when he ordered police to fire on the protesters, the White Revolution forced Lukashenko into the arms of Russia. The talks of Federation quickly turned into talks of annexation as Lukashenko was forced out of Minsk by the protesters in August. After another months of negotiations, Lukashenko finally agreed to annex Belarus into the Russian Federation as a 'Special Autonomous Republic'. The SAR is somewhat similar to the existing Autonomous Republics within Russia, although SARs were given greater autonomy and local powers, and also allowed to elect their local Presidents - although for Belarus, this simply meant Lukashenko retained power. Following the annexation, Russian tanks rolled into the country and quickly the White Revolution collapsed. The model and structure, a SAR, by which Belarus entered the Russian Federation would later be called the 'Belarus Model', as other nations would join the Russian Federation as SARs of their own.
2018 - The federation of the EU would cause a new wave of political conflict to sweep across the Post Soviet Bloc as the global trend of Union Imperialism soon set itself in the hearts and minds of the Eastern Europeans. To many, the option of national independence was gone - they must either join the EU, or join Russia. The issue flared, especially as it occurred alongside many national elections in the region. In the Latvian elections in June, a Pro-Russian party emerged victorious and immediately requested annexation into the Russian Federation under the Belarus Model. Despite threats and ultimatums from the EU, Russia agreed and Latvia joined Russia as a SAR. In October, the election in Lithuania would see a similar result, and another request for annexation into Russia as a SAR, which unsurprisingly was accepted. Also in the year, the Vostochny Cosmodrome in Aimur is completed, allowing Russia to end it's dependence on the Baikonur Cosmodrome.
2019 - Russia would soon become much more agressive in it's expansion in Eastern Europe. After the Pro-EU party in Estonia was elected in power, they soon made the announcement they intended to join the EU Federation fully - something Russia could not tolerate. Privately Russia sponsored a military coup of the elected government by Pro-Russian elements within the army. After forming their own government, the very next day they applied for annexation into Russia under the Belarus Model, which Russia was only too happy to oblige. By this point, relations between the EU and Russia had really hit rock bottom.
2020 - Ukraine had been in a state of civil anarchy since 2018, as conflict between Pro-Russian and Pro-EU groups engulfed the country. In the elections of that year, Yulia Tymoshenko and her Pro-EU party won the elections, must to the anger of the Pro-Russian groups. A week later, the governors of Eastern Ukraine, the Crimea and Odessa came together to declare independence and create their own new nation, Novorossiya. The Novorossiyan government promptly applied for annexation into Russia as a SAR, despite the fact it had only been independent for a few hours, and was at war with the rest of Ukraine. Seizing the opportunity, Russia quickly agreed and sent in the troops to 'defend the sovereign territory of the Russian Federation', although not only did the Russians move into Novorossiya, they entered the rest of Ukraine too. Meanwhile further south, Things were only worsened when Moldova petitioned to join the EU, while the state of Transnistria petitioned to join Russia, creating a new conflict between the two Eastern European states.
2021 - With fears of war between the EU and Russia, talks were held in St. Petersburg between the two federations and their leaders. At the summit, both nations finally come to an agreement which settled the territorial issues in Eastern Europe, and established the present-day borders between the two countries. Both Novorossiya and Ukraine became SARs within Russia, while Moldova and the conquered republic of Transnistria would be allowed to join the EU. Both federations also recognised the other's new national additions that they had gained over the past three years. And with the Treaty of St. Petersburg, peace was returned to Eastern Europe - although at the cost of the Eastern European's sovereignty, of course.
2023 - After a two-year hiatus, in which Russia spent mostly securing it's control of the new Eastern European SARs, the Federation would begin to expand in the Caucasus. A new nationalist and anti-Russian government was elected in Georgia, which promptly launched a new campaign in Abkhazia and South Ossetia in order to bring those breakaway republics back into Georgia. Fearing defeat, both Abkhazia and South Ossetia petitioned to join Russia under the Belarus Model, in exchange for Russian intervention in the war. Despite fierce EU protests, Russia agreed and promptly swamped Georgia with tanks and infantry, occupying the whole country by November.
2024 - Russian military occupation would last five months, before a new, and clearly puppet, Georgian republic was established by Russia. Unsurprisingly, the new excessively Pro-Russian Georgian government petitioned for admission into Russia as a SAR. Russia once more accepted, despite international sanctions and no diplomatic recognition of the annexation or the new Georgian government beyond only the most fanatically Pro-Russian nations.
2026 - Perhaps baited on by Russia, Armenia and Azerbaijan would enter into a renewed conflict between each other known as the Second Nagorno-Karabakh War, as the Republic of Nagoron-Karabakh was the source of the dispute. Despite plans for a UN peacekeeping taskforce to be sent to the region, Russia took upon itself the burden of ending the war, but in a rather heavy handed way - it destroyed both countries militaries in a surprise assault, before occupying entirely both nations, all within three months.
2028 - The occupation of Armenia, Azeribajian and Nagorono-Karabakh would continue for over a year as Russia wrestled on the diplomatic scene in order to secure the possibility of annexing both nations in a peaceable and internationally recognised fashion, while also trying to settle the territorial disputes between the two occupied countries. Eventutally however, the Russian government grew increasingly impatient with international talks, and decided to settle the issues and create the new governments of both countries by itself, despite international condemnation. Eventually Russia came out heavily in favour of Armenia, allowing Nagoron-Karabakh to be annexed into the new Armenian republic, although allowing Azerbaijan to retain Nakhchivan. Both freed governments proved overwhelming Pro-Russian, surprise surprise, and petitioned for annexation as SARs only weeks into their respective administrations. Russia was only to happy to oblige.
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OOC: Would an extra six labs get you there in one turn? Because I'm very keen to partner with someone. Don't want any resources, just shared results.
Also, is it me, or does Russia not have nearly enough research capacity? They aren't what they used to be in the cold war, but AFAIK they still have a lot of presitigous institutions, especially in very relevant fields like nuclear physics. But they have only one more lab to start with than I do. I guess Putin's successor really slashed education spending....
OOC: No, scientist with 20 lab limit.
You're right, i made the RL figure with "normal" Russia. Increased the number to 10 labs.
Rules: Orders Update
Here i'll present a new module of the orders, and some new mechanics.
You can now INFLUENCE other states. I came up to this realizing one can't go to war with every minor to annex it, and it wouldn't be realistic not to allow diplo-annex.
The other state needs to be reasonably weaker than you, so Brazil Influencing Paraguay is ok, Oceania influencing Indonesia no.
There will be a section in the orders used for influencing, and you just need to post the state. Depending by Dimensions, Past Relations, and a bit of luck (Die roll) you'll need a determinate number of turns to successfully influence the state.
Wars: you declare war in the thread, be it against NPE or other players.
If one or more players are at war against NPE, the game will not slow.
In case of Player vs Player war the turn lenght is decreased to 15 days.
Also, before posting the order module, i'd like to give some specifications.
1) The first turn actually covers 4 normal turns, so everything is multiplied x4.
2) You'll receive this evening a PM with the Administrators and the Scientists, and a Status Update 2030. These cover everything you need.
3) I appointed Naval and Army officers for you, to avoid a shitload of work (passing all the officers [Around 500] on word, along with bonuses). However i'll inform you if a new officer is recruited, and point if he is better than any of the officials you have in the status report.
4) In the orders section, remember the following things:
a) If you appoint an administrator with a Factory Production bonus, you have to calculate that bonus in your industry score. (Ex: 600 Industry, 20% Factory bonus = 720 BP) Same for mining, altough this is secondary.
b) If you appoint a scientist to a research project, remember that labs get the bonus, so (Ex: 10 labs, 2000 RP. With 15% bonus scientist NOT of that branch, 2300. With 15% bonus scientist specialized in that branch, 3200.)
c) The first turn is 4x. So if you influence a small country, it may take 1-2 turns and you waste the rest. Specify more than one country.
5) The cost of the first Shipyard is reduced to 600 BP. This to allow smaller industries to build it somewhat rapidly.
Influence: Country you wish to influence.
Research: Specify Number of Labs, Scientist and technology to research.
Industry: Specify Percentage of industry, Facility and number of facilities you wish to build.
Ship orders: Useless now, exclude it in this turn's orders.
Ship war plan (If at war): Orders if you are at war for ships.
Ground war plan (If at war): Orders for your GU's.
Officers: Appoint any officers, army, naval and administrators here.
Shipbuilding: Every order for shipyards goes here.
GU Building: If you wish to build GUs, tell here which unit(s).
Ship/Component Design: New ship and component designs/design request.
PDC Design: New Planetary Defence Center designs/design request.
Also, here is a list of what you can actually build and research, along with costs.
Facilities:
Financial Center: Increases Wealth of your empire. Useful if you're running low on money. (240 BP/unit. 120 Corbomite/120 Uridium tons.) (Effect: +1 Wealth/year)
Infrastructure: This is necessary for your population to survive on hostile worlds, on Earth is useless. You'll probably not build infrastructure at the beginning. (2 BP/unit. 2 Duranium tons.) (Effect: None on Earth)
Maintenance Facility: These facilities are necessary to increase the tonnage of the ships that can be overhauled on the planet. Big ships need big Maintenance bases, remember. (150 BP/unit. 75 Duranium/75 Neutronium tons.) (Effect: + 200 tons ship support capability.)
Military Academy: The military academy is where your officers and scientists are trained, every level increases the number of new recruits/year. (2400 BP/unit. 1200 Duranium/300 Corbomite, Tritanium, Corundium, Uridium tons.) (Effect: Mil. Academy Lv. +1. Yearly Recruits +100%)
Also, you can build further ICBM silos, but these are useless without Ordnance Factories, needed to build new ICBMs to supply them.
Research:
Biology/Genetics:
Genome Sequence Research: This research allows the creation of Genetic Modification Labs, and further Genome research. Useless at the beginning, later a good choice. (5000 RP)
Construction/Production:
Expand Civilian Economy: Increases taxes, wealth and profit by 20%. (5000 RP)
Trans-Newtonian Technology: The door to the world of aurora. The obvious First Choice, everyone should achieve TN tech ASAP. (5000 RP)
Logistics/Ground Combat:
Fuel Storage: Large/Fuel Storage: Tiny : Allows to build bigger/smaller fuel storages for ships. (1000 RP/3000 RP)
Improved Command and Control: Allows to build sector command, and to appoint a sector governor. (5000 RP)
Orbital Habitat Module: Allows you to build large space stations, with workers inside. (5000 RP)
I'll accept orders from Monday 3 December, 21:00 GMT. Deadline is Sunday 9, 9:00 GMT.
EDIT: Everyone empty the Message inbox please.
Also, i can't send all the PMs this evening, i'll do it tomorrow with the NPE stat update.
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Since it feels like I won't have the time for this game, I will unfortunately have to quit.
Sad. I'll edit the thread tomorrow.
However, as of now i sent all the officer/status updates. If you want to influence countries or declare war on NPEs, wait till tomorrow, when i post all the stats.
A question, how will you handle annexations and pop wealth percentage?
If say for example EU with 95% wealth/pop would annex 1000 million Africans, would they still have 95% then?
If say for example EU with 95% wealth/pop would annex 1000 million Africans, would they still have 95% then?
Just realized how complicated Aurora is... I'm out.
I'm really sorry, but I would just constantly mess up and not have the time to actually play.
I'm really sorry, but I would just constantly mess up and not have the time to actually play.