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Deadline is 9/10 december, and the update/order decisions will need 10/15 minutes i believe.
No, if the difference is small, like 95%-85%, i'll not change it. If EU annexes north africa (eg.) i'll subtract some wealth each year, decreasing as the game goes. At the end the malus will vanish, symbolizing the population becoming richer and richer under a more economically advanced nation.
Did I miss the post where you presented NPE stat update?
Or does NPE mean something else then Non player empires?
No problems, you do a great job keeping this all together and with massive detailed updates and commitment! 
Just as long as we have it a day or two before our deadline and it's not forgotten is it's fine by me.
Just as long as we have it a day or two before our deadline and it's not forgotten is it's fine by me.
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I've tried to do it now, but then the forum decided it was a good idea to have me relog before posting the edit and to delete my work.
'Don't worry, there is the Restore Auto-Saved button.'
*Clicks the Button, and 1/5th of the work appears.*
"CENSORED" (A lot of insults in Italian)
'Don't worry, there is the Restore Auto-Saved button.'
*Clicks the Button, and 1/5th of the work appears.*
"CENSORED" (A lot of insults in Italian)
Ouch, I know that feeling man
What I usually do now if I took a long time to write a post:
1.) Press "Go advanced" if your in quick reply mode this should save your post and prompt a login if your logged out.
2.) Select text and Ctrl+C before posting so it's saved in clipboard at least.
3.) Open a new tab and check if your logged out before posting.
What I usually do now if I took a long time to write a post:
1.) Press "Go advanced" if your in quick reply mode this should save your post and prompt a login if your logged out.
2.) Select text and Ctrl+C before posting so it's saved in clipboard at least.
3.) Open a new tab and check if your logged out before posting.
Just to be clear, can we build a shipyard this opening turn, or do we have to research TN?
It's after TN tech researched.
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Info from relevant post:
Note: Maintenance facility are really only needed for military ships.
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@Bthunder.
NPE, means we have Japan, Brazil, Vietnam and Arabia open for new players still right?
Any takers?
NPE, means we have Japan, Brazil, Vietnam and Arabia open for new players still right?
Any takers?
@Bthunder.
NPE, means we have Japan, Brazil, Vietnam and Arabia open for new players still right?
Any takers?
Yes, altough we can have other nations. These nations are Empires, but have no players. The other nations aren't "Physically" in the game.
EDIT: List of the other nations DONE.
Deadline is extended to 10 December, 23:59 GMT.
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Could be useful with some more info on influencing.
Is there any more precise limit to "reasonably weaker"? To avoid confusions if someone gives orders last min that you don't consider allowed?
Dimensions? What would this encompass? Population? Industrial strength? Something else?
Dont you think the African nations are a bit technologically advanced?
Nigerian union has a research capacity of 4 labs and North African have 6, while for example Canada has 3 (or 1.6 effective labs if my math is correct when taking into account their massive shortage of population).
Same thing with Kazakhstan (3 labs) compared to for example Canada or Argentina (2 labs before counting pop shortage)
1) Reasonably weaker means that you have 3 times their population and 3 times their industry, at least. Also, dimensions and pop wealth count, but as a side factors, influencing the time needed.
2) While this'd be true with, for example, only Algeria, you must think that:
a) These are Unions, so these new states have much higher "power", than their components.
b) In 2030, and with democratic government, i suppose North Africa advanced a bit. Also, i had to balance a bit, since SAU and RCEA have around this number of labs.
c) Also, Kazakhstan comprehends all the Central Asian states, and so 3 Labs seemed the minimum.
d) And in the end, Canada's manpower would make any other industry or so useless.
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About influencing, i believe it's fair easy. Just write the name of the nation, for example PRC gave me the order to influence Korea, and this is fairly easy.
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Considering that Canada today has a GDP (PPP) of 1300 bil $ and all of Africa today combined has less then 2.5 times of this (3176 bil $) I just can't see how your numbers are anywhere near realistic. Especially when you consider that Canada probably has more advanced research compared to their industry/economy then what African nations have (is any research done in Africa at all?).
The most wealthy African nation today is South Africa with a GDP of 562 bil $ which isn't even half of Canada's.
Kazakhstan has a GDP of 180 bil $ adding the Asian minors bring this total up to 370 bil $ or less then a third of Canada.
Japan for example have 4444 bil $ in reality or far more then all of Africa combined, but in this game it has a huge shortage of manpower rendering it almost useless.
I understand you gave Africa a massive boost to be playable at all and for game balance.
But I think an almost 100% united Africa would be needed for it to be possible as a playable nation within a world that is supposed to be fairly realistic and only 18 years into the future
I know it's to late since we already have two players for the African nations, but might something to consider for future games.
I do agree with your point d), that it's very clear Aurora lack enough accuracy in efficiency/automation degree of Industries to be realistic. In reality 1 Japanese worker is more effective then 20 African ones thanks to robotics and computers, but that's not possible in a Aurora game where everyone starts on the same tech level.
African nations would need a kind of Pre-Newtonian tech tree to research first and catch up so their industries and labs can start out at say 10% efficiency per manpower compared to the western nations and Japan. I'm not sure if that's even possible to add with SM or mod into the game, so were kind of stuck with what we have.
Btw did you advertise this game in the Aurora forums?
http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php/board,54.0.html
Considering that Canada today has a GDP (PPP) of 1300 bil $ and all of Africa today combined has less then 2.5 times of this (3176 bil $) I just can't see how your numbers are anywhere near realistic. Especially when you consider that Canada probably has more advanced research compared to their industry/economy then what African nations have (is any research done in Africa at all?).
The most wealthy African nation today is South Africa with a GDP of 562 bil $ which isn't even half of Canada's.
Kazakhstan has a GDP of 180 bil $ adding the Asian minors bring this total up to 370 bil $ or less then a third of Canada.
Japan for example have 4444 bil $ in reality or far more then all of Africa combined, but in this game it has a huge shortage of manpower rendering it almost useless.
I understand you gave Africa a massive boost to be playable at all and for game balance.
But I think an almost 100% united Africa would be needed for it to be possible as a playable nation within a world that is supposed to be fairly realistic and only 18 years into the future
I know it's to late since we already have two players for the African nations, but might something to consider for future games.
I do agree with your point d), that it's very clear Aurora lack enough accuracy in efficiency/automation degree of Industries to be realistic. In reality 1 Japanese worker is more effective then 20 African ones thanks to robotics and computers, but that's not possible in a Aurora game where everyone starts on the same tech level.
African nations would need a kind of Pre-Newtonian tech tree to research first and catch up so their industries and labs can start out at say 10% efficiency per manpower compared to the western nations and Japan. I'm not sure if that's even possible to add with SM or mod into the game, so were kind of stuck with what we have.
Btw did you advertise this game in the Aurora forums?
http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php/board,54.0.html
Yes, i had to give some boost to Africa, but you didn't consider that:
1) Africa would have a massive growth, almost 2x in the predictions from 2012 to 2030.
2) If the "small" nations are united in bigger Unions, the growth would be even higher, because the government would have more money to dedicate to particular situations.
3) The research labs are NOT the technological advancements. Are the research POWER, which is different. An almost modern Africa would have a good research power, but be technologically backwards. As you said, a Newtonian Tech Tree could solve the problem, but the Research Power of Northern Africa, for example, would be almost the same of Canada in 2030 i believe.
4) And i had to make Kazakhstan playable, but i believe it will enter in the Russian SoI.
However you have a good point.
Anyway if the players wish i can nerf a bit Northern Africa, Nigerian Union and Kazakhstan. I'll leave untouched SAU and RCEA, obviously.
About the aurora forums, i didn't advertise the game, 'cause i dunno if may people on the Aurora Forums are registered on PP.
Also, remember the deadline is only 3 days away, and i have orders only for China and SAU, even if the USA sent me lots of PMs.
Maybe, but certainly not more. With current numbers it's 6 vs 3 (1.6 effective). And NA has almost twice industry and more FI too.
Since research start is the same for everyone I'd say it has to take into account previous level too, or we will have "backwards" African nations far ahead in tech over for example Japan (due to Japans lack of manpower to man labs).
Sounds good.
I don't think players from those forums have a problem signing up here if they want to invest some time into joining us, might be a good idea considering amount of open slots how many here feel Aurora is to complex to learn
Working on it
Fine, as long as it's 1-2 days late it's ok. Should i extend the deadline?
About the game, i edited the 2 African nations and Kazakhstan, and i added Philippines (Which i forgot in the nation list
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Today fellow Citizens and Americans it is on the day 200 years since the Monroe Doctrine entered into effect. This doctrine has been greatly successful in retaining peace for all of the Americas, North and South. Despite of two world wars and many small quarrels and disagreements over everything from Oil to Ideologies, major war never came to us here in the Americas! Because of USAs protection and guarantee against aggression no nation here has been invaded or taken by force. The time has come to extend that Protection.
The United States of America have decided to keep protecting all of the Americans under the same banner of Freedom and Liberty!
Fellow Christians and fellow Americans, to overcome the dark times and expand out into the vastness of space and claim our rightful place in the future as the greatest nation and a beacon of freedom we will all need to work together and work hard! Let America lead the way and be the light in the dark.
Our US Industries are booming and in desperate need of more workers, good times are upon us. Any South or North American man or woman with ambition and knowledge is welcome to help us build a better future.
I ask of leaders in fellow nations in the North and South America to not look at this announcement as a threat to your sovereignty but as USA extending a helping hand. As of today we will contribute with aid, guidance and protection to any American nation that seeks help. Some of us have a longer road to walk then others, but one day I hope we all can become equally prosperous and if your people should so wish your nations will be welcome to apply for statehood once we both are ready. The first natural step will be forming an American alliance of mutual benefit and understanding, we are all Americans.
We hope all nations in the north America will hold a referendum within 10 years and ask your people if they wish to strive for US statehood, and encourage nations in the south america to do the same within 20 years time. Look at what Europe has achieved in just 30 years, Today they stand united as the most powerful nation on Earth and we are all in their shadow!
My dream is that our grandchildren will all live in a great United America stretching from the north to the south pole, and look back with gratefulness on the hard work we endured to get that far.
Nations outside the Americas should know that if any should dare to threaten our brothers in the Americas, Our full military might of the Army, Navy and Nuclear defenses will have no choice but be forced to intervene..
The same protection is of-course still in effect when it comes to our allies in Israel or Japan and Oceania.
Thank you all and god bless the United states of all of the Americas.
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