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@Darumaka I would love a little peek behind the curtain on this one. It looks like you’re currently playing as the Vikings. This really dumb split in the armies, was that a case of bad AI that you built a story around or did you orchestrate this by switching back and forth between sides to further your story?
I am indeed playing as the Vikings, as they start occupying the land where my peasant dynasty will rise. This really dumb split of armies was just Paradox AI at its finest though.

Haesteinn starts really strong, so I switched to King Salomon before the war began to marry into Duke Hugo's family, forging an alliance, so that my Vikings would have a stronger foe and I wouldn't just stomp my way across Normandy. I never thought this large army would be so badly mismanaged by the AI though, it chose to split its armies all on its own and attack me 1 by 1, rather than all at once. What I did was simply come up with the story of why this Prince Ridoredh who commanded the army may have wanted to do such a thing with in-game reasons, which really lined up for me as he was the deposed heir of the murdered King Erispoe, who King Salomon usurped. Just a neat coincidence.

It's why I chose to have such long descriptions of who the characters are and their background, because otherwise none of it would make sense. Just Paradox AI things :p

So yeah, I'm manipulating some things like the marriage alliance between Brittany and Anjou, but most other things are done by the AI or just happenstance, like the war between the Frankish realms. I did choose to make Gascony and Frisia/Dorestad independent though, as they technically were in real life, so that could be considered manipulation, but that's really me making things more historically accurate, which will also serve the plot later.
 
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So yeah, I'm manipulating some things like the marriage alliance between Brittany and Anjou, but most other things are done by the AI or just happenstance, like the war between the Frankish realms. I did choose to make Gascony and Frisia/Dorestad independent though, as they technically were in real life, so that could be considered manipulation, but that's really me making things more historically accurate, which will also serve the plot later.
I don't think changing the game situation to suit the narrative is manipulation, unless you were actively switching to sabotage your enemies, or if you were to sabotage Haesteinn before switching to your peasant dynasty. Also, if what you have done is manipulation, then what would the things I was doing in my save be called?
 
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I don't think changing the game situation to suit the narrative is manipulation, unless you were actively switching to sabotage your enemies, or if you were to sabotage Haesteinn before switching to your peasant dynasty. Also, if what you have done is manipulation, then what would the things I was doing in my save be called?
Hehe, well I don't consider manipulation to be inherently bad. So don't think I'm trying to say you or I did a bad thing ;).
 
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This really dumb split of armies was just Paradox AI at its finest though.

I never thought this large army would be so badly mismanaged by the AI though, it chose to split its armies all on its own and attack me 1 by 1, rather than all at once.'

I had the same problem with my Sons of Ragnar... AAR, to the degree that Durham was constantly under siege by either Saxon or Viking, depending who was last in. It became a running joke that I referenced in one of my story 'Interludes'. As for the AI splitting armies, I did what you did, wove the various armies and their trials and tribulations into the narrative. I like the way you handled it. Makes things a bit more interesting. Well done.
 
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Hehe, well I don't consider manipulation to be inherently bad. So don't think I'm trying to say you or I did a bad thing ;)
No way is it a bad thing. That’s part of the fun of storytelling with CK 3. Honestly, it’s not like real life is any less dumb. I mean, how often have politicians killed a bill that everyone likes just so the other side won’t get credit for passing it?
 
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I had the same problem with my Sons of Ragnar... AAR, to the degree that Durham was constantly under siege by either Saxon or Viking, depending who was last in. It became a running joke that I referenced in one of my story 'Interludes'. As for the AI splitting armies, I did what you did, wove the various armies and their trials and tribulations into the narrative. I like the way you handled it. Makes things a bit more interesting. Well done.
It seems like the Crusader Kings AI, both 2 and 3, isn't as good at managing armies as AI is in other Paradox titles. I wonder if it has something to do with the low supply rates of the provinces.
No way is it a bad thing. That’s part of the fun of storytelling with CK 3. Honestly, it’s not like real life is any less dumb. I mean, how often have politicians killed a bill that everyone likes just so the other side won’t get credit for passing it?
Oh tell me about it. I live in America so that's a constant thorn I gotta deal with o_O.
Subbed! Enjoying!! Will begin commenting once I am current? What were your other AARs as I may have read one?
Thank you. I've been tracking your swift progress through your reactions to my posts hahaha. I worked on two, one where I played as Armenia but which became corrupted due to an update to the game breaking my mods, and another as the Anglo-Saxons in exile following 1066, but which I shamefully abandoned due to being away from the forums for quite a while. You indeed did read them haha, but neither got very far.
 
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The Christians are in dire straits. Hjalmar's confidence will probably grow because of this victory, as well as his rift with Haesteinn.
 
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I remain woefully behind. Real life has conspired to keep me away from this and other excellent AARs. Hoping to catch up soon.

I worked on two, one where I played as Armenia but which became corrupted due to an update to the game breaking my mods, and another as the Anglo-Saxons in exile following 1066, but which I shamefully abandoned due to being away from the forums for quite a while.
Were both of these under the @Darumaka handle? If so, I'd like to go back and read the Anglo-Saxons in exile AAR.
 
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I remain woefully behind. Real life has conspired to keep me away from this and other excellent AARs. Hoping to catch up soon.


Were both of these under the @Darumaka handle? If so, I'd like to go back and read the Anglo-Saxons in exile AAR.
Here's the Armenian one which got corrupted by an update, and here's the Anglo-Saxon one. I must admit, the Anglo-Saxon one didn't even start. Not sure what compelled me to elaborate on the Norman Invasion so much (probably my hatred of the Normans hehe), but despite being several chapters deep, the gameplay had not yet started so all you'll find there is a history of the invasion up to the Bastard's coronation. Life made me step away from the forums and the game, hence why that English one never took off. Perhaps one day I'll try that again.

The Christians are in dire straits. Hjalmar's confidence will probably grow because of this victory, as well as his rift with Haesteinn.
That rift is certainly growing wider, which is likely to aid the Christians, as Haesteinn doesn't want Hjalmar's prestige to grow any further. Peace will surely come soon.
 
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Things are not going well for the Christians. I feel really bad for Hugo here, though - he figured out the trick, but it was too late. Will he have an opportunity for redemption? Can the Christians pull off a miracle?

How long will it take Hjalmar and Haesteinn to split up completely?
 
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Apologies. Took me some time before I had a moment to read the latest chapter. Didn't see the treachery coming but thanks for the context. Seems the Norse continue to have the upper hand for the moment. Thanks for the update.
 
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Chapter 7 - The Treaty of Bayeux
Chapter 7 - The Treaty of Bayeux

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Haesteinn's host giving chase to their fleeing enemies

All through the dawn the Vikings under Haesteinn continued to give chase to the broken French and Breton host. With the Norsemen pressing hard on their heels, neither Duke Hugo nor King Salomon had much time to think of a course of action nor send word ahead of them to warn the garrison of Bayeux to which they were headed. There waited Prince Riwallon of Brittany, Salomon's only son and heir, who had been left to defend the castle with a skeleton crew far too meager to mount a proper defense. He was taken aback at the sight of his father's ragged forces on the horizon, and hurriedly opened its gates to welcome them.

There the tattered remnants of the once great Franco-Breton host huddled under the safety of its walls, finally a moment of respite. It would not last. Beneath a flurry of banners there was Haesteinn, standing tall at the forefront of his army. Besides him was Hjalmar, eyes gleaming with the promise of conquest and slaughter. The sound of Hjalmar's laughter cracked like thunder, "they can't escape this time, there is nowhere to run!"

There was truly no hope for the defenders. With King Charles still out East fighting his Lotharingian relatives, there was no one coming to lift the siege. They were out on their own. Despite their odds, King Salomon and his son both tried to lift the garrison's morale, urging them to fight with all their spirt, looking to the heavens, claiming victory was at hand so long as God was with them. Their efforts did little to dissuade the panic that was quickly spreading across the defenders, especially as Duke Hugo too began to advocate for a peaceful surrender. Despite them having won every encounter thus far, Duke Hugo believed the Norsemen too were exhausted following the battles and ensuing chase toward Bayeux. Hugo believed he could talk Haesteinn into letting them go if they surrendered.

Neither King Salomon nor his son Riwallon agreed with his proposal, however they soon realized the bulk of the defenders in Bayeux were not Bretons but Franks, and those Franks quickly adopted Hugo's idea, threatening violence on the Bretons. "If you are so eager to die on this day," Duke Hugo spoke, "then let us grant you that which you wish. We would rather surrender in shame than fall to a pagan's axe. Make way or make a grave, the choice is yours." The Bretons had no choice but to comply.

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Duke Hugo and King Salomon (left) having peace talks with Haesteinn (right) as his men watch the dealings

Much to the dissapointment of Hjalmar, and to the relief of Haesteinn, the gates of Bayeux opened. From them came a small party of warriors led by King Salomon and Duke Hugo, sueing for peace. Haesteinn ordered his men to put their weapons down, and he too approached with a party of his own. They met on the banks of the River Aure, where they talked for the better part of the day.

Effective immediately, all Frankish and Breton inccursions into Norse-held territory were to cease. A border would be delineated, recognizing the independence of Haesteinn's realm from both the Kingdom of Brittany and the Kingdom of West Francia. This new Viking realm would include not just Cherbourg and the peninsula on which it sat, but also the recently wrestled fortresses of Percy and Avranches, as well as the newly evacuated fortress of Bayeux, greatly extending Viking control over Western Neustria, which would soon begin to be called Normandy. Finally, a great tax would be levied on the peoples of Brittany and Hugo's lands to pay for a massive danegeld*, a combination of gold and treasure which Haesteinn would divide among his followers as reward. In exchange, Haesteinn free all the noble prisoners he took in battle, including Duke Hugo's half brother Eudes and several Breton counts. Haesteinn also would cease all raids into Francia and Brittany, comitting to a peaceful coexistence with his new neighbors. This last promise of peace was met with many grumbles and complaints from his own men, but the great many riches acquired through the treaty soon put an end to their bickering, leaving all but Hjalmar "the Red" wholly satisfied.

While King Charles had not been consulted to ratify the treaty, there was little he could do to oppose it, especially as the authority of Paris continued to decline in the wake of several defeats in the East against Lotharingia, his vassals growing increasingly autonomous. Some among Haesteinn's camp urged him to demand more lands during the treaty, however he wisely chose temperance over ambition, knowing any more concessions would see his army spread too thin, unable to defend his conquests. Perhaps if he had futuresight he could have seen such fears were unfounded, for soon after the Treaty of Bayeux was signed word began to spread about his great victory over the Franks, attracting hundreds of Scandinavians to his new Kingdom. Green boys and hardened veterans, the elderly and the young, entire families came to settle in Normandy just as they had done across Britain in the Kingdom of Jorvik after the Ragnarssons' conquests.


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The Kingdom of Normandy**, March 6 of 868 AD. Comprised of the Viking stronghold of Cherbourg, the island fortresses of Jersey and Guernsey, and the Frankish castles of Bayeux, Percy, and Avranches.

*A Danegeld is the term given to a tax raised to pay for the tribute or protection money to Viking raiders to save a land from being ravaged or to convince them to leave one's land. Also known as a "Danish Tax," or literally "Dane yield" from Old English.

**While coloquially known as the Kingdom of Normandy to both Franks and Bretons, Haesteinn's realm was neither a Kingdom nor did they identify as "Normans" at this time. To them it was the Jarldom of Kjarrborg (in-game Duchy rank), or Cherbourg, their chief settlement and stronghold in the region.
 
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Feels like it's not long before Hjalmar and Haesteinn start murdering each other.
Hjalmar is certainly not content with Haesteinn I can tell you that much. He stands alone in defiance however, as the other Norsemen are quite happy with the booty pilfered from Francia.
Things are not going well for the Christians. I feel really bad for Hugo here, though - he figured out the trick, but it was too late. Will he have an opportunity for redemption? Can the Christians pull off a miracle?

How long will it take Hjalmar and Haesteinn to split up completely?
No miracles were to be had. The might of Odin is too strong for the puny Christians!
Apologies. Took me some time before I had a moment to read the latest chapter. Didn't see the treachery coming but thanks for the context. Seems the Norse continue to have the upper hand for the moment. Thanks for the update.
Never apologize for taking a while my friend, look at me, posting an update 2 months after the previous one!



Hey everyone! I know it's been a while since the last update but life has kept me busy. I have not abandoned this AAR however, so expect more updates here and there. Thank you for following along.
 
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The Kingdom of Normandy will be a pain for the Franks and the Bretons, will Hugo get away with his cowardice or be praised for his pragmatism?
 
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I'm glad this is back! :)

Where will the Norse's eyes turn now? Maybe across the Channel?

Or has Haesteinn convinced enough of his men of his peaceful settlement plan?
 
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Welcome back. Haesteinn has negotiated a settlement he can be proud of. His men are amply rewarded. Settlers are arriving. However, to go 'a viking' is in their blood. How long will this tenuous peace last?
 
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