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In my current game as the di Canossas turned kings of Italy and Sicily, I'm getting some really weird behaviour from Agnatic-Cognatic Gavelkind:

First, my king died with four sons. He had two kingdoms and two duchies. All of that went to the older son, while the younger ones only got counties.

Then one of the brothers died in prison, and the his brother married his daughter (the king's niece).

Now they have a son. A single son, who should inherit all the titles from his father. But for some reason, instead of the son being the heir to the entire kingdom, the queen is first in line for half the kingdom:

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I assume that's a bug?
 
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I have two grandchildren, they are the only heirs. I have Agnatic-Cognatic Gavelkind but for some reason the older daughter is first in line with my grandson (the other child) comes second. Shouldn't my grandson come first and my granddaughter second?

EDIT: This is even stranger. My grandchild inherited, and her heir is her father (who was married matrilineally to her mother) instead of her brother who is only 2 years young. What??
 
Prinz Wilhelm said:
I have two grandchildren, they are the only heirs. I have Agnatic-Cognatic Gavelkind but for some reason the older daughter is first in line with my grandson (the other child) comes second. Shouldn't my grandson come first and my granddaughter second?
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MCoca said:
In my current game as the di Canossas turned kings of Italy and Sicily, I'm getting some really weird behaviour from Agnatic-Cognatic Gavelkind:

First, my king died with four sons. He had two kingdoms and two duchies. All of that went to the older son, while the younger ones only got counties.

Then one of the brothers died in prison, and the his brother married his daughter (the king's niece).

Now they have a son. A single son, who should inherit all the titles from his father. But for some reason, instead of the son being the heir to the entire kingdom, the queen is first in line for half the kingdom:

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I assume that's a bug?
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Can you two please submit a save of your game where you experience this issue? Thank you.
 
As Munster I have had laws changed from gavelkind then upon my king's death if reverted back to gavelkind with no explanation as too why, meaning another 10 year wait to change laws again.
 
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Can you two please submit a save of your game where you experience this issue? Thank you.
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Would love to, but I seem to have a 900k attachment quota. Is it rank related?

In any case, this appears not to be related to gavelkind after all. After I changed Sicily to primogeniture, it still showed the queen as heir to that title. I think it's related to realms, as Sicily was using the HRE's crown laws instead of Italy's.
 
MCoca said:
Would love to, but I seem to have a 900k attachment quota. Is it rank related?

In any case, this appears not to be related to gavelkind after all. After I changed Sicily to primogeniture, it still showed the queen as heir to that title. I think it's related to realms, as Sicily was using the HRE's crown laws instead of Italy's.
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Ok, yes, that sounds reasonable and probable. In the future, if you want to upload a save or any other file which exceeds the attachment limit, use an external hosting site such as mediafire or 2shared.
 
Prinz Wilhelm said:
I have two grandchildren, they are the only heirs. I have Agnatic-Cognatic Gavelkind but for some reason the older daughter is first in line with my grandson (the other child) comes second. Shouldn't my grandson come first and my granddaughter second?
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It also happened to me (i presume the girl is the first born?). But it seems to fix itself after a new child is born in a family.
To be more specific: I had three girls with agnatic-coognatic gavelkind, and of course the oldest one was the heires. Then the first daughter has a son (matrilinear -my dynasty). Nothing changed in succession. And after that I had a son (bastard, legitimized). Still no change in succession, still the oldest daughter would inherit.
And after a while, my second daughter gave birth to a son (also matrilinear -my dynasty). In the same moment I got a message about a new heir and the order of succession change as: my bastard son heir - then my first daughter's son - and third, my second daughter son. This final order is correct.
 
Prinz Wilhelm said:
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EDIT: Just got my game over, my character died and my younger brother was still alive and kicking. Not to mention all other family members who could've inherited (loads of uncles)... :angry:
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As far as I can see you do not have any children and it's your father who's your heir. Since you do not have any children the law defaults to Primogeniture as well.
 
K-vald said:
As far as I can see you do not have any children and it's your father who's your heir. Since you do not have any children the law defaults to Primogeniture as well.
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What I don't understand is this: In my game, when Leopold II died, his only child was dead. That child had two children through a matrilineal marriage: a daughter and a son. First question, why did the granddaughter inherit when the law was set to Agnatic-Cognatic Gavelkind (ie, Males before females). Did the law switch to Primogeniture when Leopold II died? But if that is the case, did it switch to Absolute Cognatic, meaning Women and Men are equal? Meaning that Barbara would inherit because she was the oldest. Why did the law switch from Agnatic-Cognatic to Absolute Cognatic?

Second, why is the father of Duchess Barbara (the granddaughter inherited), who is not even of her dynasty, before her very own brother (who should be Duke anyway) in the line of succession. It makes no sense?

Third, why does Gavelkind say that if the ruler has no children, the law will default to Primogeniture. But Primogeniture gives out titles to the oldest child, how can it do that if there are no children?

Fourth, if the situation arises where a ruler's children are dead, but he has grandchildren; shouldn't the game just keep Gavelkind and consider those grandchildren a continuation of the inheritance of their parents, ie: Leopold II's child would "inherit" but the title would pass on to her oldest male child, Eginolf. It just makes no sense!
 
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