mib said:
I'm not either...
No matter though, the dash info was just for me to keep track of what era it was.
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I'm not either...
No matter though, the dash info was just for me to keep track of what era it was.
arc3371 said:
They got nothing. China wasn't invited to sign, neither the PRC nor the KMT. Possibly due to the ongoing communist insurrection:
http://www.taiwandocuments.org/sanfrancisco01.htm
ExMech said:
That wasn't the surrender treaty. The surrender took place onboard USS Missouri. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Instrument_of_Surrender
We weren't discussing surrender. We were discussing reparations, and China was not invited to sign the treaty in which reparations were decided. Now... whether China negotiated reparations seperately is to be determined, but doubtful. Note chapter 5:mib said:
http://www.taiwandocuments.org/sanfrancisco01.htm
China received several river gunboats as reparations for certainty (including the former USS Guam).
Here's a good list of Chinese ship classes, note that the 4 Anshan class DDs are still on the OOB (believe only 1 is still in active service though).
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/navy.htm
Here's a good list of Chinese ship classes, note that the 4 Anshan class DDs are still on the OOB (believe only 1 is still in active service though).
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/navy.htm
I really want to know that this is:
http://vm.rdb.nthu.edu.tw/cwm/war/3310.html
It looks like a British Type 7, but none of that class where listed as belonging to the ROCN.
Btw, the existing CL picture for slot 3 is... the Auroa. And the existing picture for SS3 is the Hai Shih.
I have finshed the ROC HQ, Mountain Inf, Inf/Gar/Mil, ATA, Tank (not much needed there), TD, SP-ART, and ROCN (as listed, with the Renown as an uncredited BC). I really need ROC Marine pictures. (And at this point I think that a China Airborne gfx set is a lost cause.)
http://vm.rdb.nthu.edu.tw/cwm/war/3310.html
It looks like a British Type 7, but none of that class where listed as belonging to the ROCN.
Btw, the existing CL picture for slot 3 is... the Auroa. And the existing picture for SS3 is the Hai Shih.
I have finshed the ROC HQ, Mountain Inf, Inf/Gar/Mil, ATA, Tank (not much needed there), TD, SP-ART, and ROCN (as listed, with the Renown as an uncredited BC). I really need ROC Marine pictures. (And at this point I think that a China Airborne gfx set is a lost cause.)
Looks like we are stuck with the classes listed. Unless, we strech the Frigates into DD or squeeze the Luda class into DD6.Zebedee said:
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Or you could invent your own class names using a guide like this
http://www.jiawen.net/Chinesenames.html
Forgot to mention the Aurora:
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/other_craft_involved/british_ships_involved/cruisers/aurora.html
And the Mendip:
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/hunt_class.htm
http://www.jiawen.net/Chinesenames.html
Forgot to mention the Aurora:
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/other_craft_involved/british_ships_involved/cruisers/aurora.html
And the Mendip:
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/hunt_class.htm
Duke_of_BOOM! said:I really want to know that this is:
http://vm.rdb.nthu.edu.tw/cwm/war/3310.html
It looks like a British Type 7, but none of that class where listed as belonging to the ROCN.
Btw, the existing CL picture for slot 3 is... the Auroa. And the existing picture for SS3 is the Hai Shih.
I have finshed the ROC HQ, Mountain Inf, Inf/Gar/Mil, ATA, Tank (not much needed there), TD, SP-ART, and ROCN (as listed, with the Renown as an uncredited BC). I really need ROC Marine pictures. (And at this point I think that a China Airborne gfx set is a lost cause.)
Looks like we are stuck with the classes listed. Unless, we strech the Frigates into DD or squeeze the Luda class into DD6.
Release a demo/beta, please.
Duke_of_BOOM! said:
Dollars to donuts says it's a second group "T" class:
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/chalcraft/sm/TClass.html
Though I too can find no record of any being transferred to china.
According to that website, the KMT sent students over to Britain to train on submarines and to take delivery of 2 T class subs. But the British pulled out of the deal when senior KMT members defected to the communists.
(Sorry for the delay - gf was needed to make sure I understood the text properly).
(Sorry for the delay - gf was needed to make sure I understood the text properly).
mib said:
Sigh... Nothing was given out in any surrender documents:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/wwii/j4.htm
Repatriations were were spelled out in:
http://www.taiwandocuments.org/sanfrancisco01.htm
I repeat:
China recieved NOTHING as China was NOT ASKED to sign at REPATRIATIONS treaty.
Not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but the ROC Navy in 1937 consisted mainly of ships from the Qing era... a few were built after 1912, but most were built before the Xinhai (1911) Revolution, albeit some by only a few months. If memory serves, Chao Ho, Ying Swei, etc. are all Qing-era ships. Those that surived the First Sino-Japanese War and/or the French attack on the Nanyang Navy.
Also, Duke_of_BOOM! and XieChenguo, I've had some time to gather up some of my pics in a big folder (which I foolishly added Duke_of_BOOM!'s pics to as well) and I've got in in a 8MB zip. It has some photos, some propaganda posters, some propaganda movie shots, a few portraits and some Superman covers. Though many of the photos were shamelessly stolen from Gjerg Kastrioti's awesome AAR...
The zip can be found here. Check back, I might find new photos in my computer and add them to the zip.
EDIT: Having some trouble with ftp. Give me a few moments.
EDIT2: Fixed. Should be able to download now.
Also, Duke_of_BOOM! and XieChenguo, I've had some time to gather up some of my pics in a big folder (which I foolishly added Duke_of_BOOM!'s pics to as well) and I've got in in a 8MB zip. It has some photos, some propaganda posters, some propaganda movie shots, a few portraits and some Superman covers.
Though many of the photos were shamelessly stolen from Gjerg Kastrioti's awesome AAR...The zip can be found here. Check back, I might find new photos in my computer and add them to the zip.
EDIT: Having some trouble with ftp. Give me a few moments.
EDIT2: Fixed. Should be able to download now.
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ExMech said:
The subs weren't sent and the website says nothing about when the students were sent to Britian except that it was after the war and before 1948.
Zebedee said:
Too bad. I was hoping to determinre which ship. I'm beginning to think she's a 1st group "T", though.
UNTESTED beta here:
http://rapidshare.de/files/7984092/CHI_GFXv0_1.rar.html
Includes:
Most of the armor list, (forgot to add IS-2 to names.)
ROCN as listed.
All infantry slots filled, minus marines and Para's.
http://rapidshare.de/files/7984092/CHI_GFXv0_1.rar.html
Includes:
Most of the armor list, (forgot to add IS-2 to names.)
ROCN as listed.
All infantry slots filled, minus marines and Para's.
ExMech said:
The stats given on the Chinese website tie in closely to first group T class. Complement of 56, 10 21" tubes, max speed 15.4 knots etc.
edit: oh! a beta to play with. Looking forward to it
Master list, of the next version in progress:
Armor
LT
1. Renault FT-7
2. CV-33
3. Vickers Mk. E
4. PZI (T-27) [only 10 PZ1's where received]
5. M5 Stuart
6. N/A [T-27*]/(M24 Chaffee)
MT
1. M-3 Lee
2. M-4A1 Sherman
3. M-4E8 Sherman
HT
1. NA [IS-2*]/(FIAT 2000+)
2. NA (IS-2)
3. NA
4. (Semi-Modern) Pershing
5. (S. Heavy) NA
TD:
1. NA (M10 Wolverine)[/Su-122*]
2. NA (M18 Hellcat*)
3. NA (SU-122)
4. NA (M36 Jackson*)
SP-ART
1. NA (SU-76*)
2. NA (M41 155mm SP)
3. NA (M44 155mm SP)
4. NA (M52 105mm SP)
AC
1. NA (Sd Kfz 222*)
2. NA (M3A1)
ATA
1. NA (Pak 35/36 3.7CM*)
2. NA (Böhler 47mm)/[M3A1 37mm]
3. NA (Bofors 75mm)
4. NA (Ordnance QF 6-pounder 7 cwt?)
Air
B
1. Cap. Ca 101 (???) [- only 11 delivered]
2. Fiat BR.20 Cic. [-77 delivered]
Tac
1. Doug. A-20 Bos. (Tuplev ANT 40 SB)
2. NAA B-25D Mitch. (Doug A-20 Boston)
3. NAA B-25J Mitch, [~ 200 B25 delivered]
Str
1. NA (TB-3)
2. Cons. B-24 Lib. (Ilyushin DB-3)
3. NA (Cons. B-24 Liberator)
CAS
1. Vultree V-12 (Vought V-65 Corsair)
2. NA (Curtiss A-12)
3. NA (P-47 Thunderbolt)
Nav
1. Loc. Hudson (Gloster Gladiator)
2. NA (Lockheed A-29 Hudson)
3. NA (B-25J Mitch)
Tra
1. C-32 (FW 58)
2. C-47 (C-32)
3. NA (Douglas C-47 Dakota)
EFig
1. Hawk 3
2. Hawk 75A (Polikarpov I-15bis)
IntF
1. Tomahawk (Polikarpov I-16)
2. N.Am. P-51B (Curtiss P-40E Kittyhawk)
3. NA (D.H.98 Mosquito FB.26)
EscF
1. P-38D Lightning (Republic P43A Lancer)
2. P-38J Lightning
3. NA (NAA P-51C)
Fig
1. Kittyhawk (Curtiss Hawk-75A)
2. P-47 Thunderbolt (Curtiss P-40N Warhawk)
3. NAA P-51D
ROC NAVY
Naval
CL
1. Ying Swei
2. Ning Hai
3. NA (Chung King)[/Arethusa Class*]
4. NA
5. NA
6. NA
BC
1. NA (HMS Renown+)
2. NA
3. NA
4. NA
5. NA
6. NA
CA
1. NA (Chih Yuen)
2. NA (HMS Hawkins+)
3. NA
4. NA
5. NA
6. NA
CV NONE
DD
1.NA (Chang Feng Class - Ming)
2.NA (Han Yang (class?))[/Benson Class]
3.NA (Nan Yang (class?))[/Gleaves Class])
4.NA (Hei Yang)[/Fletcher Class]
5.Na (Lo Yang class)[/Sumner])
6.NA (Chao Yang[/Gearing])
SS
1. NA (USS Nautalis+)[-Holland was one of the bidders for the Ming contract]
2. NA
3. NA (T-class)
4. NA (T-class+)
5. NA (Hai Shih [/GuppyII Tench])
6. NA (Hai Lung [/Dutch Zwaardvis class- Based on US Barbel])
BB
1. NA (Ting Yuen Class - Ming)
2. NA (Queen Elizibeth+)
3. NA
4. NA
5. NA
6. NA
Key:
* - Pictured in original, Not Credited.
+ - Bumper picture, to give a better feeling of Tech Era.
Armor
LT
1. Renault FT-7
2. CV-33
3. Vickers Mk. E
4. PZI (T-27) [only 10 PZ1's where received]
5. M5 Stuart
6. N/A [T-27*]/(M24 Chaffee)
MT
1. M-3 Lee
2. M-4A1 Sherman
3. M-4E8 Sherman
HT
1. NA [IS-2*]/(FIAT 2000+)
2. NA (IS-2)
3. NA
4. (Semi-Modern) Pershing
5. (S. Heavy) NA
TD:
1. NA (M10 Wolverine)[/Su-122*]
2. NA (M18 Hellcat*)
3. NA (SU-122)
4. NA (M36 Jackson*)
SP-ART
1. NA (SU-76*)
2. NA (M41 155mm SP)
3. NA (M44 155mm SP)
4. NA (M52 105mm SP)
AC
1. NA (Sd Kfz 222*)
2. NA (M3A1)
ATA
1. NA (Pak 35/36 3.7CM*)
2. NA (Böhler 47mm)/[M3A1 37mm]
3. NA (Bofors 75mm)
4. NA (Ordnance QF 6-pounder 7 cwt?)
Air
B
1. Cap. Ca 101 (???) [- only 11 delivered]
2. Fiat BR.20 Cic. [-77 delivered]
Tac
1. Doug. A-20 Bos. (Tuplev ANT 40 SB)
2. NAA B-25D Mitch. (Doug A-20 Boston)
3. NAA B-25J Mitch, [~ 200 B25 delivered]
Str
1. NA (TB-3)
2. Cons. B-24 Lib. (Ilyushin DB-3)
3. NA (Cons. B-24 Liberator)
CAS
1. Vultree V-12 (Vought V-65 Corsair)
2. NA (Curtiss A-12)
3. NA (P-47 Thunderbolt)
Nav
1. Loc. Hudson (Gloster Gladiator)
2. NA (Lockheed A-29 Hudson)
3. NA (B-25J Mitch)
Tra
1. C-32 (FW 58)
2. C-47 (C-32)
3. NA (Douglas C-47 Dakota)
EFig
1. Hawk 3
2. Hawk 75A (Polikarpov I-15bis)
IntF
1. Tomahawk (Polikarpov I-16)
2. N.Am. P-51B (Curtiss P-40E Kittyhawk)
3. NA (D.H.98 Mosquito FB.26)
EscF
1. P-38D Lightning (Republic P43A Lancer)
2. P-38J Lightning
3. NA (NAA P-51C)
Fig
1. Kittyhawk (Curtiss Hawk-75A)
2. P-47 Thunderbolt (Curtiss P-40N Warhawk)
3. NAA P-51D
ROC NAVY
Naval
CL
1. Ying Swei
2. Ning Hai
3. NA (Chung King)[/Arethusa Class*]
4. NA
5. NA
6. NA
BC
1. NA (HMS Renown+)
2. NA
3. NA
4. NA
5. NA
6. NA
CA
1. NA (Chih Yuen)
2. NA (HMS Hawkins+)
3. NA
4. NA
5. NA
6. NA
CV NONE
DD
1.NA (Chang Feng Class - Ming)
2.NA (Han Yang (class?))[/Benson Class]
3.NA (Nan Yang (class?))[/Gleaves Class])
4.NA (Hei Yang)[/Fletcher Class]
5.Na (Lo Yang class)[/Sumner])
6.NA (Chao Yang[/Gearing])
SS
1. NA (USS Nautalis+)[-Holland was one of the bidders for the Ming contract]
2. NA
3. NA (T-class)
4. NA (T-class+)
5. NA (Hai Shih [/GuppyII Tench])
6. NA (Hai Lung [/Dutch Zwaardvis class- Based on US Barbel])
BB
1. NA (Ting Yuen Class - Ming)
2. NA (Queen Elizibeth+)
3. NA
4. NA
5. NA
6. NA
Key:
* - Pictured in original, Not Credited.
+ - Bumper picture, to give a better feeling of Tech Era.