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So according to the wiki that all tribal can have concubinage regardless of religion. But i am missing that "feature" (no option to take/make concubine) while the tribal-christian ai can have concubine.
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switch to char already had concubine if game paused will show "set aside concubine" option <resume game> concubine lose their status without "set aside" penalty
(set aside option available)
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lose concubinage after game resume(without set aside penalty)
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set concubine aside before resuming the game (worked like intended?)
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are player locked from concubinage?
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i'm very confused with this mechanic.
 
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You should indeed have access to concubinage as a tribal ruler. If you somehow switch from feudal/etc to tribal (which is nigh-impossible without cheating), it may take a few days for the game to refresh itself, but it should definitely be available for the player.

If you've unpaused and run the game for a while, and concubinage *still* isn't available, this is a stereotypical "weird unexplainable error". Which usually means you have a corrupted file somewhere in your installation. Verify your files through Steam (or whatever), and try again.
 
You should indeed have access to concubinage as a tribal ruler. If you somehow switch from feudal/etc to tribal (which is nigh-impossible without cheating), it may take a few days for the game to refresh itself, but it should definitely be available for the player.

If you've unpaused and run the game for a while, and concubinage *still* isn't available, this is a stereotypical "weird unexplainable error". Which usually means you have a corrupted file somewhere in your installation. Verify your files through Steam (or whatever), and try again.
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is it good? (still doesnt do anything)
 
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I guess the validator is my next step. Already reinstalled/interg check/moved previous saves… Just wanted try out tribal after being raided by the “Baltic Union” as Italy(mostly raiding venice)
 
*back in 2019* is this legit?
 
*back in 2019* is this legit?
Being tribal only enables concubines for the player if you have the Charlemagne DLC. AI characters will get them even without the DLC, but you won't.
Well, CK2 hasn't had any significant changes since 2019, so it's probably still correct. That said, I'm surprised that concubines are locked behind Charlemagne, of all things...

It would be good to update the wiki entry to reflect this new info. So: Is anyone aware of the actual limit of the feature? Is it simply that concubines are disabled for everyone if you don't have CM? Or is it that you can't get concubines from your government if you don't have CM (but if you get concubines from your religion - eg. pagan - then that's OK)? Or something else?
 
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*back in 2019* is this legit?

Well it appears not, but it's weird.

I tested without Charlemagne, Old Gods and Holy Fury even and could still get concubines as a christian tribal
lord in Ireland. The option a such seems to be hardcoded though. At least i couldn't find it.

In 936 as you can see the sottish king has concubines as well, being tribal and christian.

I now then started without any DLCs as the norwegian or the scottish king, sudddenly both guy can't have concubines either when you start as them.
Some DLC must be relevant and player specific, but as said before Charlemagne didn't seem to be it (edit: see below) nor the other two.

I'll see and test some more..
 
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Ah got it.
I missed Horse Lords in my earlier test.

So what activates concubines/consorts for christian tribals :

DLCs:
Charlemagne OR Horse Lords
 
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Typical Paradox.

Neither the tooltips for the two DLCs in the launcher nor when i select Hakon in 936 do i get info that either DLCs
could get me concubines or be relevant.

All it tells me is to get the one (standard) soundtrack DLC i don't own.
Neither does the Ck2 WiKi tell you this on the Polygamy , Charlemagne or Horse Lords pages.

So Old Gods allows polygamy for tribal pagans, but not christians.
Holy Fury allows polygamy for reformed and standard pagans, but not tribal christians.

But Charlemagne, a DLC usualy not associated with tribals does and so does the DLC for nomads.
Sigh...

And if it wouldn't be annoying enough that you need an extra DLC for that when christian, the customer doesn't get informed to at least
know what DLC is required to buy. Then they ask their marketing department to do surveys to understand why their customers are annoyed...
 
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Well, CK2 hasn't had any significant changes since 2019, so it's probably still correct. That said, I'm surprised that concubines are locked behind Charlemagne, of all things...

It would be good to update the wiki entry to reflect this new info. So: Is anyone aware of the actual limit of the feature? Is it simply that concubines are disabled for everyone if you don't have CM? Or is it that you can't get concubines from your government if you don't have CM (but if you get concubines from your religion - eg. pagan - then that's OK)? Or something else?
Will you edit the Wiki ?
I would love to let you do it.

It's simple, the player can't have concubines as tribal christian without the two dlcs mentioned earlier.
 
Will you edit the Wiki ?
I would love to let you do it.

It's simple, the player can't have concubines as tribal christian without the two dlcs mentioned earlier.
Happy to edit the wiki, but would like to get all of the info straight first!

Here's my distillation of your investigation above, please can you verify?

Concubinage & government:
--- Tribal government only enables concubinage if you have CM or HL.
--- Nomads are only playable with HL, which enables concubinage for them.
--- Feudal/MR will not have concubines, unless granted by their religion.
--- If your religion has polygamy and your government has concubinage, then the concubinage from your government takes precedence - you will have concubines, not polygamy.
--- Speculation: If a modded government enables concubinage, then it will only work if the player has CM or HL.
--- Check: Does a Muslim tribal ruler without CM or HL have concubinage or polygamy? If my speculation/understanding is correct, I expect they have polygamy.

Concubinage & religion:
--- As an alternative, concubinage can be enabled by the character's religion, ie. by the DLC which make these religions playable. (HF/OG for pagans, OG/JD for Mazdan, RoI/JD for Eastern.)
--- Speculation: If a modded religion enables concubinage, then it will work even if the player has no DLC.
 
Happy to edit the wiki, but would like to get all of the info straight first!

Here's my distillation of your investigation above, please can you verify?

Concubinage & government:
--- Tribal government only enables concubinage if you have CM or HL.
--- Nomads are only playable with HL, which enables concubinage for them.
--- Feudal/MR will not have concubines, unless granted by their religion.
--- If your religion has polygamy and your government has concubinage, then the concubinage from your government takes precedence - you will have concubines, not polygamy.
--- Speculation: If a modded government enables concubinage, then it will only work if the player has CM or HL.
--- Check: Does a Muslim tribal ruler without CM or HL have concubinage or polygamy? If my speculation/understanding is correct, I expect they have polygamy.

Concubinage & religion:
--- As an alternative, concubinage can be enabled by the character's religion, ie. by the DLC which make these religions playable. (HF/OG for pagans, OG/JD for Mazdan, RoI/JD for Eastern.)
--- Speculation: If a modded religion enables concubinage, then it will work even if the player has no DLC.

A few extra tests I can think of (I can't check right now, but can do some tests later today):

- Can a religion that does not normally have concubines get them with Random World Doctrines with only HF? It might not work consistently with modding them in for a new religion since it is unlocked after the game starts.

- Societies can grant the ability to take concubines (vanilla does not make use of this, but it can be modded in); how does that interact with DLCs? I would imagine it has not been as extensively tested by the devs as something that is used in the unmodded game.

- Does adding concubines with script commands (during gameplay) to e.g. a Catholic Tribal ruler work without the DLCs activating it for tribals? Does the "Concubine automatically set aside without opinion penalty on unpause" issue crop up when doing this? I expect it to work as if a ruler had them scripted in the history files.

- Does anything weird happen for courtiers with concubines based on active DLCs? Does that happen both with religion-based concubines and government-based ones, and does the liege having either have an impact (e.g. Norse courtier in a Catholic Tribal court, Catholic courtier in a Norse Tribal court, and Catholic courtier in a Catholic Tribal court)? Given that AI rulers seem to be able to have government-based courtiers even when they get automatically removed for the player, that could be a weird case.

- Is female and male concubinage consistently (un)locked by the DLCs that unlock them (for societies, governments, and religions)? Considering the ability for women to take consorts was added with 2.8/JD (or was it 3.0/HF?), older DLC unlocks might not properly account for it.


It might also be good to verify polygamy, because that might be broken in similar ways:

- Does polygamy work (for non-Muslims) with just HF (pagans and Random World rulers can pick a Doctrine for it, and you can also mod it in)? Meritocracy is broken without RoI (perhaps JD also works, because Taoists), if I remember correctly, so another broken Doctrine would not be entirely surprising.

- Can an unplayable religion have polygamy if you don't have SoI (and HF)? Muslims without SoI would be the only applicable vanilla religion, and I think it works, but I have not played without either DLC since they were released...

- If the ruler has polygamy and a courtier has a religion that would unlock concubines, can the courtier have concubines regardless of DLCs (and does this work for both men and women)? I suspect they can.

- If a government unlocks the ability for women to take consorts but not the ability for men to take concubines, can a male ruler with that government marry multiple wives? Vanilla has no such government, so it is possibly an untested edge case.

- If a man with polygamy is in a society that gives men the ability to take concubines, does he have polygamy or concubines? If it works like governments, he should have concubines, but it might not be consistent.

- If a man with polygamy is in a society that gives women the ability to take consorts, what happens? Possibly an edge case.
 
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So annoying
  1. LMAO, who cooked this game? I even started a support ticket with paradox and they sent me over here (they only do ck3 support now apparently).
  2. Nothing stated on the game/DLCs (steam) that you "need this for that to work".
  3. The wiki are just "archeologist" digging up fossil instead of "GOD" explaining their creation.
  4. Will i buy the DLCs: NO! (what if something "missing" next? Buy more? All of it?)
 
Typical Paradox.

Neither the tooltips for the two DLCs in the launcher nor when i select Hakon in 936 do i get info that either DLCs
could get me concubines or be relevant.

All it tells me is to get the one (standard) soundtrack DLC i don't own.
Neither does the Ck2 WiKi tell you this on the Polygamy , Charlemagne or Horse Lords pages.

So Old Gods allows polygamy for tribal pagans, but not christians.
Holy Fury allows polygamy for reformed and standard pagans, but not tribal christians.

But Charlemagne, a DLC usualy not associated with tribals does and so does the DLC for nomads.
Sigh...

And if it wouldn't be annoying enough that you need an extra DLC for that when christian, the customer doesn't get informed to at least
know what DLC is required to buy. Then they ask their marketing department to do surveys to understand why their customers are annoyed...
Okay... So false advertising? But they can just update the text in the DLC OR a "quality of life" patch. (?Do they still have a ck2 dev team is another issue?)
 
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A few extra tests I can think of (I can't check right now, but can do some tests later today):

- Can a religion that does not normally have concubines get them with Random World Doctrines with only HF? It might not work consistently with modding them in for a new religion since it is unlocked after the game starts.

- Societies can grant the ability to take concubines (vanilla does not make use of this, but it can be modded in); how does that interact with DLCs? I would imagine it has not been as extensively tested by the devs as something that is used in the unmodded game.

- Does adding concubines with script commands (during gameplay) to e.g. a Catholic Tribal ruler work without the DLCs activating it for tribals? Does the "Concubine automatically set aside without opinion penalty on unpause" issue crop up when doing this? I expect it to work as if a ruler had them scripted in the history files.

- Does anything weird happen for courtiers with concubines based on active DLCs? Does that happen both with religion-based concubines and government-based ones, and does the liege having either have an impact (e.g. Norse courtier in a Catholic Tribal court, Catholic courtier in a Norse Tribal court, and Catholic courtier in a Catholic Tribal court)? Given that AI rulers seem to be able to have government-based courtiers even when they get automatically removed for the player, that could be a weird case.

- Is female and male concubinage consistently (un)locked by the DLCs that unlock them (for societies, governments, and religions)? Considering the ability for women to take consorts was added with 2.8/JD (or was it 3.0/HF?), older DLC unlocks might not properly account for it.


It might also be good to verify polygamy, because that might be broken in similar ways:

- Does polygamy work (for non-Muslims) with just HF (pagans and Random World rulers can pick a Doctrine for it, and you can also mod it in)? Meritocracy is broken without RoI (perhaps JD also works, because Taoists), if I remember correctly, so another broken Doctrine would not be entirely surprising.

- Can an unplayable religion have polygamy if you don't have SoI (and HF)? Muslims without SoI would be the only applicable vanilla religion, and I think it works, but I have not played without either DLC since they were released...

- If the ruler has polygamy and a courtier has a religion that would unlock concubines, can the courtier have concubines regardless of DLCs (and does this work for both men and women)? I suspect they can.

- If a government unlocks the ability for women to take consorts but not the ability for men to take concubines, can a male ruler with that government marry multiple wives? Vanilla has no such government, so it is possibly an untested edge case.

- If a man with polygamy is in a society that gives men the ability to take concubines, does he have polygamy or concubines? If it works like governments, he should have concubines, but it might not be consistent.

- If a man with polygamy is in a society that gives women the ability to take consorts, what happens? Possibly an edge case.
Check: If having a heir having concubinage give in-game warning (heir with locked{dlc} religion has an in-game warning)
  • Losing concubinage without penalty is weird.
  • If heir having concubine doesn’t trigger warning then this is a bug.
  • If concubinage is DLC dependent then the option to “set concubine aside” should not exist. (Since there are no option to take/make ccb)
  • Maybe player doesn't have the concubine tab/file/code to put concubine in hence the auto boot without penalty?(also lead to be a bug) -this could be it- /edit: CM and HL might held the ccb tab for tribal player “hostage”
 
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There is no warning for heirs with concubinage when you lack a DLC that enables tribal concubinage because that won't end the game for you. All that will happen is that when the heir inherits all the concubines are dropped, but you can still play on. Even the children the heir had with concubines will still be of his dynasty.

- Can a religion that does not normally have concubines get them with Random World Doctrines with only HF? It might not work consistently with modding them in for a new religion since it is unlocked after the game starts.

Without mods the answer is no, because none of the vanilla religion features enable concubinage. Agnatic/Enatic clans do set men/women to be able to take concubines, but they do not set the number of concubines, so that's still 0 for Chrisitians and other monogamous religions. What can happen is that randomized Christianity gets polygamy because there is a doctrine for that.

But if you use a mod, which adds a religious feature that enable concubinage (sets max_consorts to a number larger than zero), randomized monogamous religions should end up with concubines instead.
 
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Some results; I played the characters in question and let the game run for a bit after unpausing on taking a concubine/consort and on converting.

Test 1:
Feudal government modded to have 1 consort + men and women can take consorts, CM + HL disabled (all other DLCs active).
- Erik the Heathen: CAN take concubines, they show up in the "Concubines" field.
- Erik the Heathen, converted to Catholic: LOSES his concubine and CANNOT take new ones.
- Matilda di Canossa: CANNOT take consorts.
- Matilda di Canossa, converted to Norse: CAN take consorts; Norse women do NOT get it from their religion! <-- WHAT IS THIS?

Test 2:
Feudal government modded to have 1 consort + men and women can take consorts, all DLCs active.
- Erik the Heathen: CAN take concubines, they show up in the "Concubines" field.
- Erik the Heathen, converted to Catholic: KEEPS his concubine, but she no longer shows up in the "Concubines" field. CAN take a new one if she is set aside.
- Matilda di Canossa: CAN take a consort, but he does not show up in the "Consorts" field.
- Matilda di Canossa, converted to Norse: KEEPS her consort, and he suddenly shows up in the "Consorts" tab

Test 3:
Catholic religion modded to have 1 consort + men and women can take consorts, CM + HL disabled (all other DLCs active).
- Erik the Heathen: CAN take concubines, they show up in the "Concubines" field.
- Erik the Heathen, converted to Catholic: KEEPS his concubine, but she no longer shows up in the "Concubines" field.
- Matilda di Canossa: CAN take a consort, but he does not show up in the "Consorts" field.
- Matilda di Canossa, converted to Norse: LOSES her consort.

Test 4:
Catholic religion modded to have 1 consort + men and women can take consorts, all DLCs active.
- Erik the Heathen: CAN take concubines, they show up in the "Concubines" field.
- Erik the Heathen, converted to Catholic: KEEPS his concubine, but she no longer shows up in the "Concubines" field.
- Matilda di Canossa: CAN take a consort, but he does not show up in the "Consorts" field.
- Matilda di Canossa, converted to Norse: LOSES her consort.

Test 5:
Sunni religion modded to have 1 consort + men and women can take consorts (plus four wives for men), CM + HL disabled (all other DLCs active).
- Erik the Heathen: CAN take concubines, they show up in the "Concubines" field.
- Erik the Heathen, converted to Sunni: LOSES his concubine and gets polygamy.
- Matilda di Canossa: CANNOT take consorts.
- Matilda di Canossa, converted to Sunni: CAN take a consort, but he does not show up in the "Consorts" field.

Test 6:
Sunni religion modded to have 1 consort + men and women can take consorts (plus four wives for men), all DLCs active.
- Erik the Heathen: CAN take concubines, they show up in the "Concubines" field.
- Erik the Heathen, converted to Sunni: LOSES his concubine and gets polygamy.
- Matilda di Canossa: CANNOT take consorts.
- Matilda di Canossa, converted to Sunni: CAN take a consort, but he does not show up in the "Consorts" field.

Test 7:
Hermetics modded to have 1 consort + men and women can take consorts (and no Learning requirement for easier testing), CM + HL disabled (all other DLCs active).
- Heinrich Salian: CAN take concubines, they do NOT show up in the "Concubines" field.
- Heinrich Salian, converted to Sunni: LOSES his concubine.
- Matilda di Canossa: CAN take consorts, they do NOT show up in the "Consorts" field.
- Matilda di Canossa, converted to Sunni: KEEPS her consort.

Test 8:
Hermetics modded to have 1 consort + men and women can take consorts (and no Learning requirement for easier testing), all DLCs active.
- Heinrich Salian: CAN take concubines, they do NOT show up in the "Concubines" field.
- Heinrich Salian, converted to Sunni: LOSES his concubine.
- Matilda di Canossa: CAN take consorts, they do NOT show up in the "Consorts" field.
- Matilda di Canossa, converted to Sunni: KEEPS her consort.

Test 9:
Random World, the "Equal" Doctrine modded to also give 1 consort, CM + HL disabled (all other DLCs active).
- Male "Catholic" ruler with modified Equal: CAN take concubines, they do NOT show up in the "Concubines" field.
- Female "Catholic" ruler with modified Equal: CAN take consorts, they do NOT show up in the "Consorts" field.

Test 10:
Random World, the "Equal" Doctrine modded to also give 1 consort, all DLCs active.
- Male "Catholic" ruler with modified Equal: CAN take concubines, they do NOT show up in the "Concubines" field.
- Female "Catholic" ruler with modified Equal: CAN take consorts, they do NOT show up in the "Consorts" field.

Test 11:
Iqta modded to have 1 consort, men and women can take consorts, CM + HL disabled (all other DLCs active).
- Alp Arslan: Has polygamy.
- Matilda di Canossa, converted to Sunni: CANNOT take consorts.

Test 12:
Iqta modded to have 1 consort, men and women can take consorts, all DLCs active.
- Alp Arslan: Has polygamy.
- Matilda di Canossa, converted to Sunni: CAN take consorts, but they do NOT show up in the "Consorts" field.

Test 13:
All DLCs, no modifications (just to confirm a couple of things for myself):
- Akhad Moskha Dulo (male Sunni nomad): Has polygamy.
- Zhulie Ketuyu (male Nestorian nomad): CAN take concubines, they show up in the "Concubines" field.
- Tienossi Azim (male Miaphysite tribal): CAN take concubines, they show up in the "Concubines" field.
- Hakam Atef (male Sunni tribal): Has polygamy.


Well, I am pretty sure I have seen worse, but this is still a pretty impressive mess even by CK2 standards...

Some potentially interesting discoveries:
- Polygamy consistently beats men being able to take concubines regardless of where the concubines come from (government, society, or religion).
- Women can be set to take consorts even if their religion has polygamy.
- Pagan women can take consorts without CM/HL if their government allows it even if their religion does not normally allow it; probably also true for pagan men (I didn't think to go Hellenic to test it).
- Society-based concubines/consorts works without CM/HL, but they do not show up on your character screen unless your religion has them.
- No government appears to unlock concubines/consorts without CM/HL (religions still work).
- Concubines/consorts don't consistently show up in the field for them when they are unlocked by your government even with all DLCs active; my current guess is that it requires CM/HL plus at least one of "Religion has max_constors > 0" and "Tribal or Nomadic" (unsure if that has to be the default Tribal and Nomadic governments or any government passing is_tribal/is_nomadic = yes would work).
 
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