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Byakhiam said:
I think that a CoT in Dalmatia at start and then with some event choice it could move to Magyar, with proper background that supports the moving of an important center of trade inland.

Very few CoTs in EU2 are inland, remember.
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Well, Dalmatia never served as center of trade for Hungary, at least because it was changing hands all the time, and the major trade route went through Vienna and from there on to Buda, as far as I remember. But I am pretty sure that it was an inland route, not a sea one.

As for gold, Hungary ought to have one gold province somewhere, since you want it to be a major power, and it would be historical.
 
Tamas said:
Well, Dalmatia never served as center of trade for Hungary, at least because it was changing hands all the time, and the major trade route went through Vienna and from there on to Buda, as far as I remember. But I am pretty sure that it was an inland route, not a sea one.

As for gold, Hungary ought to have one gold province somewhere, since you want it to be a major power, and it would be historical.
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Well, Ragusa is better place for the starter CoT. Buda can get a CoT via events if necessary. And Steiermark has gold, which is so close to Hungary that it is very easy for Hungary to take it. If an additional gold prov would be added, soon Hungary would have two. Besides gold ain't a necessity for being major. Only Granada and the soon-collapsing-Horde receives gold at start.
 
As I said I am open to everything, but I need at least some historical backing for a goldmine in Hungary. So plz provide it.
 
It is mentioned for example here

"G113) Gold - Rosia Montana, Abrud, Alba, Romania; the "Golden Triangle", in western Transylvania, is easily Europe's most important gold mining district. Gold mining has been carried out here for well over 2000 years, with the earliest mining excavations performed by the Romans. Some of the finest specimen gold has come from an area called Rosia Montana, which was formerly known in Hungarian by the name Verespatak"

I suggest to remove the gold from Steiermark, and place it in Transylvania. Playing Hungary in vanilla EU2, the standard move was to grab the gold province asap. This way, Hungary would have an acceptable income right away. And it would be historical too, as Hungary WAS a rich country back then.
 
Styria won´t go prolly.

As 4/5 of all goldmines will be scrapped worldwide or downsized to avoid Incas and Aztecs being the moneycows they used to be.

Transylvania Gold is in, be happy. Concerning the CoT, I will very probable go with the Ragusa idea... Hmm, eventwise removed for a nicer maygar CoT who knows. Either someone makes a proposal for an event, or not.

No suggestions for Banat, then it will be grain or sheep, must check into this also.
 
I would need some good info on hungarian names for leaders and monarchs, to fill those up at least for now.
 
Planned changes:

Transylvania goods changed to gold and Ruthenia to iron. Upped base tax and manpower quite a bit, to make Hungary´s core viable.
 
Hungary is one of the biggest and strongest majors so far and no Hungarians have found a heart to help us, if the interest is that low, Hungary goes the way of the Dodo.
 
Why not?;)
 
Bring on the Magyar!!!!

Hey there. I've been a lurker on the boards for over a year now downloading patches and scenarios etc, but I decided to finally register in order to ask you to keep working on Hungary. I've always been a fan of warrior races like the Magyar and it since Aberration is supposed to be about the nations that never really get a go I want to put my vote in for Hungary. Don't let them be an eternal annexation puppet for the Austrians!!!! Love the Aberration scenario guys. Keep up the good work!
 
As far as the descriptions go, I haven't gotten to Hungary yet, but I'm envisioning it as the counterbalance to Byzantium and the restorers of the Holy Roman Empire, possibly even possessing that title at game start, based on a victory at the Battle of Kosovo.

If nobody else steps forward, when I finish the descriptions, I'd be willing to take a crack at Hungarian events, although I may need some help with the names. Would be interesting, perhaps, to see it espouse the ultra-catholic position historically taken by Austria, but instead of Germany, focus its attentions into Bohemia and Romania and such...
 
Sheridan said:
As far as the descriptions go, I haven't gotten to Hungary yet, but I'm envisioning it as the counterbalance to Byzantium and the restorers of the Holy Roman Empire, possibly even possessing that title at game start, based on a victory at the Battle of Kosovo.
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Bavaria is already the Restorer of the HRE.

If nobody else steps forward, when I finish the descriptions, I'd be willing to take a crack at Hungarian events, although I may need some help with the names. Would be interesting, perhaps, to see it espouse the ultra-catholic position historically taken by Austria, but instead of Germany, focus its attentions into Bohemia and Romania and such...
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I might be interested, too, when , i hope tomorrow, Bavaria is ready for release.
 
I meant restoring the *title*, not the actual reunification of the Empire. In the backstory I'm working on for the various countries, the office of Emperor was vacant for 180 years in the 1200s-1300s because the Emperor was killed in battle with the Byzantines, and the Pope stated that "there the title was lost, and there it must be regained" - in a military victory over Byzantium; that I am crediting to the Battle of Kosovo in 1389 (I just switched it from a Turkish victory over Hungary to a Hungarian victory over the Byzantines).

Since the Emperor is elective, though, after being restored the title could easily find its way to Bavaria after a couple of generations.
 
I'll put some work into Hungary as well, if the alternative is them getting cut out of the scenario entirely.

I already have one little suggestion: Hungary's tax values should all be reduced by 2~ points at the start of the scenario, with reform events restoring and even improving them later. Hungary is very powerful at the start of the GC, particularily compared to her immediate neighbors (Byzantium, Ukraine, Austrian/Polish/Lithuanian minors). While this may seem like a good thing, I think we should give the region a little bit of development time before matching them up against the Magyar monster.

Cheers.
 
The CoT in Dalmatia has been cut, maybe that will do the trick. On the Emperor issue, Bavaria will get the title and meddle in the HRE. Hungary and Bavaria shouldn´t have any issues apart from an early division of Bohemia/Austria perhaps.
 
Hungary shouldn't be an ultra-chatolic country, at least 50% of the population turned Protestant. I would prefer the contrary: there could be a fun set of events for Hungary becoming the eastern defender of protestantism.

As for events, Hungary by default is in the Orthodox tech group, and at the start should stay there, but -being a great power here- could later move to the Latin one, maybe when becoming the über-protestant country.
 
Some event ideas, for most of them the credit goes to posters of a Hungarian forum. :)

First of all, I was talking with Archduke about a mega-event for Hungary which would decide her future fate. It should trigger around the 1550s or so, and it should be about which religion Hungary would go with.

First choice would be Chatolic. It would mean the "old way", with max. Aristocracy and max Decentralization, +3 Land, -3 Innovativnes and -2 Stability.
It could also give permanent CB on Poland, as kind of a claim on the throne or something.

Second choice would be Reformed. It would cause like -5 Stability, but would place Hungary to Latin tech group. -100 on relations with Bavaria, Royal Marriage with Switzerland, +3 or 4 Centralization, -4 Aristocracy. +2 Innovativnes.

Minor event ideas:

1432: Expedition to Magna Hungaria. Historically, in the 1200s a Hungarian cleric found Magyars in Asia, descendants of those who didn't go with the rest of the tribes toward the West. The second time he went to invite them he could not find them, as the Mongols ran over the region.
This event would be about finding the remnants of them and bringing them home. 1st choice: -300 gold, +5000 population to Ruthenia, with religion remaining Orthodox. 2nd choice: -1 Innovativnes.

1504: Fugger-Thurzo mining monopoly 1st choice: accept this, +500 gold, +1 Mercantilism, +1 Serfdom, +2% inflation, revolt risk up by 1 for 24 months in a couple of provinces (will provide later. 2nd choice: reject this, -1 Serfdom, -1 Mercantilism, -1 Centralisation.

1514 Werboczy Tripartitum: +2 aristocracy, +2 serfdom, +1 centralisation, +2 land.

And a possible diplomatic agreement with Byzantium would be needed. It could give Hungarian CB shields on Moldva and Bujak, with Byzantium receiving one on Bosnia or something.

In case of Hungary being Reformed and controlling a Black Sea port after 1600, a "the Black Sea is ours!" event could trigger, giving a CB shields on Crimea.
 
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