Inheritance laws tied to individual titles, not characters/realms

[Mad King James]

Titles should each really have their own inheritance law. For instance an elective kingdom should not mean that the hereditary estates of the former dynasty be merged with the new elected duke or whatnot. Certain titles could be transmitted semisalically, salically, electively, gavelkindedly etc.

Speaking of elective law, historically kingdoms elected other monarchs as their king in elective monarchies as often as their own powerful nobles, and with separate inheritance law for each title this would be possible.

Changing the law on a title should be a difficult and time consuming matter, especially elective titles.

 

[Caranorn]

Interesting idea. I don't think it will happen in CK-II but I'd agree with your proposal...

Likewise vassalisation should be province/fief based. That is to say a noble is vassal of such and such other noble (liegelord) for a specific fief. The liegelord will only be able to make (justified) demands on his vassal for that specific fief. The vassal noble could be vassal to more than one liege as long as it's each tim for a different fief (actually that would still be simplifying historic feudalism). That would also mean that a noble of one tier could be vassal to another noble of the same or lower tier (King of England vassal to the King of France for the duchy of Normandy (or rather the fiefs within said duchy))...

Now I don't think your or my idea are feasible in CK-II. But both are 1) historically correct; and 2) would make for interesting game play. But who knows, maybe this will make it into CK-III, CK-IV, CK-MMM?

 

[Mad King James]

I agree, if someone inherits a title in another kingdom that doesn't mean that realm suddenly changes kingdoms, though that would create interesting conundrums for feudal lords to decide which liege to support in a war if they attack each other.

 

[unmerged(82381)]

Good idea. In CK 1 it was impossible to simulate the situation where nobles had multiple lieges. Such as the position of Robert Bruce and other Scottish landowners who held lands in Scotland and England during the Scottish wars of independence.

 

[Hakudoushi]

That would actually make the HRE work, as some emperors were kings in their own right.

 

[sjones25]

My favorite example of this from CK1 was when you inherited a Knight Order and became "King of the Knights Templar" (for example) which now shared your salic inheritance laws the same as your other king titles

 

[Orinsul]

i was actually coming onto the forum today to start this thread so heres what i was thinking

What if Countries didnt have Inheritance Laws?

what if the Inheritance Law was found in the entry in the save for the Title NOT the Country. and changed though the title window [whihc lists all the people with claims on that title that you get by clicking on said title on the character sheet.] and displayed by hovering the mouse over the title.

 

[King of Men]

Yes! Please! Both for realism and as an anti-blobbing measure. Also nice would be to have separate economics laws or decisions for separate titles.

 

[yourworstnightm]

Yup, the king of England had fiefs in France, but those fiefs were parts of the kingdom of France, not the kingdom of England. Meaning the king of England was a subject to the king of France regarding his French fiefs, but not his english.

 

[RedRooster81]

Yes! Please! Both for realism and as an anti-blobbing measure. Also nice would be to have separate economics laws or decisions for separate titles.

This would change all my royal marriage policies in CK, but it would be so worth it. Might get really complicated fast, though. But life is complicated, ain't it.

 

[Orinsul]

and really complicated inheritance laws are kind of the defining aspect [aside from the attachted to the land thing] of the age.

 

[King of Men]

A point to consider: Suppose you have five Count titles and three sons; one of the Count titles is under Gavelkind law. Which son gets that County?

Yup, the king of England had fiefs in France, but those fiefs were parts of the kingdom of France, not the kingdom of England. Meaning the king of England was a subject to the king of France regarding his French fiefs, but not his english.

While nice to have, this is a different issue from having the OP's suggestion; we can refer to them as per-title inheritance and per-title lieges to separate them.

 

[ollobrains]

should be left as is but bugs ironed out regarding

 

[Orinsul]

should be left as is but bugs ironed out regarding

as it is doesnt work as if a Duke inherits a Kingdom or Republic that is of an Elective Law, then when he dies, his Duchy and all other lands which by all sense and law OUGHT to go to his son, go the new Elected Ruler of the Kingdom.
If Titles are separated, than a man's ancestral lands need not be lost and his right to them stolen by a chance elective succession.

And if the Succession Law was attached to the Title={ and not the country={ then it would be easy enough to do

 

[semaphore]

I really hope to see this; I remember wanting something like this in Ck1. It doesn't have to be complicated, I don't think it's that big of a deal to give each title has its own inheritance law. The bigger problem probably is the mechanism for changing inheritance laws. Maybe a limit on the frequency of changing inheritance laws for your titles?

 

[Garak]

I must admit, I like this idea, too. Could add a whole new dimension to the game.

 

[ZechsMerquise73]

as it is doesnt work as if a Duke inherits a Kingdom or Republic that is of an Elective Law, then when he dies, his Duchy and all other lands which by all sense and law OUGHT to go to his son, go the new Elected Ruler of the Kingdom.
If Titles are separated, than a man's ancestral lands need not be lost and his right to them stolen by a chance elective succession.

And if the Succession Law was attached to the Title={ and not the country={ then it would be easy enough to do

This. Exactly.

 

[Duckett]

This is the first really good idea that I've read, I think I'll actually be disappointed if they don't include this.^^;

 

[Orinsul]

theyre smarter than us, they probably already have and are now all bumed out that they cant surprise us with its revelation

 

[wobbit]

Really like this idea, especially in combination with seperate vassalage trees for each county/duchy (per-title lieges as King of Men puts it).

Maybe a mechanism to make inheritance and vassalage laws tend towards those of the dominant title could be included. So fe if a king running salic primogeniture inherited a ducal title from gavelkind then there would be a tendency for the ducal title to switch to salic primogeniture after a period of time (particularly if it stays in the same branch of the family for a few generations). This should probably have some cost/affect attached to it.