Interregnum's Post-Crusade Papal States

[MattyG]

It does work but here are a few thoughts.

I think the lutherism flag isn't necessary, you just just as well use the original event number for Swabia switching, and of course event = 100 to ensure it doesn't occur under the alternative reformation.

But I am not certain I see why the events need to be separate.

Finally, I also think that only the German provinces ought to switch, not everything that Swabia owns, otherwise, the reformation process becomes to easy for German states that own empires. The thought of Savoie idly turning protestant because a distant German lord says seems most unlikely.

But, in general, this is what is needed for each German state.

 

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I think the lutherism flag isn't necessary, you just just as well use the original event number for Swabia switching, and of course event = 100 to ensure it doesn't occur under the alternative reformation.

But I am not certain I see why the events need to be separate.

I want the second event to be generic. A single event for all german states that end up with the lutheranism or humanism flag, so I onlu have to control and write one of those large province_religion events. It's unwieldy on my small screen otherwise.

Happy to make it a single event, but two is more interesting than one.

Finally, I also think that only the German provinces ought to switch, not everything that Swabia owns, otherwise, the reformation process becomes to easy for German states that own empires. The thought of Savoie idly turning protestant because a distant German lord says seems most unlikely.

But, in general, this is what is needed for each German state.

Agreed. German Swiss (and Alpen ) culture only.

 

[MattyG]

Mikl,

The only way to have a second event that is generic is if it is a random event, otherwise it fires only once.

I can always do the various events for you.

Swabia still gets the Italian provinces, which I don't personally like, but will bow to your greater plan.

Matty

 

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Mikl,

The only way to have a second event that is generic is if it is a random event, otherwise it fires only once.

I can always do the various events for you.

Swabia still gets the Italian provinces, which I don't personally like, but will bow to your greater plan.

Matty

The small screen is no longer an issue as the laptop was delivered today. Now to test Dell's wonderful after-sales service.....

No, that's fine, I can do this tomorrow morning. I will do essentially 2 events for each nation, a single event that changes state and province religions under a catholic Pope, and another under a Protestant Pope.

Copy Paste Copy Paste Copy Paste Copy Paste Copy Paste etc.....

 

[MattyG]

mikl has been very busy. Christmas, two private jobs, birthdays, changing jobs, home renovations. A crazy time.

Here is an update on what he and I have discussed on the phone.

The new master plan runs as follows.

If Luther gets elected Pope, the world stays catholic throughout his period. The conservatives may not like him, but he is the Pope. He brings through some reforms, but the critical changes happen close to the end of his Papacy. The first is that he begins alligning bishops and princes who are siympathetic with doing away with the HRE altogether. He finds support in places like Swabia/Lombardy/Milano and the Hansa and Bohemia.

Then, he lines up his chosen successor, another reformer who has been central in the political work to dismember the HRE. The bavarians are NOT amused, and have been steadily working to have their own conservative cardinal elected. When it becomes clear that they do not have the numbers (though it is very close) at Luther's death the majority of the conservatives refuse to attend the election in Rome, and instead hold an election process in Munich (or some other town). Two Popes are elected, one in Rome, the other in Bavaria, and the catholic world splits.

This alternate reform would turn Rome and all that side with it into Protestant religion, with Bavaria and the conservatives as Catholic (later CRC). The effect is pretty radical, with a delayed and possibly more intense reformation, one that would be more impactful on the countries that normally avoid it, like Eire, Iberia and Italy and a little less intense on France, England and Scotland, most of which will happily side with the reformed catholic church.

MattyG

 

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mikl has been very busy. Christmas, two private jobs, birthdays, changing jobs, home renovations. A crazy time.

Here is an update on what he and I have discussed on the phone.

Thanks for this. Also Championship Manager 2007, and a relative ban on computer use at home since the kids are getting too much screen time, and don't see why te ruiles have to apply to them and not daddy......

Anyway, I will be crafting some tme this week.

The new master plan runs as follows.

If Luther gets elected Pope, the world stays catholic throughout his period. The conservatives may not like him, but he is the Pope. He brings through some reforms, but the critical changes happen close to the end of his Papacy. The first is that he begins alligning bishops and princes who are siympathetic with doing away with the HRE altogether. He finds support in places like Swabia/Lombardy/Milano and the Hansa and Bohemia.

Then, he lines up his chosen successor, another reformer who has been central in the political work to dismember the HRE. The bavarians are NOT amused, and have been steadily working to have their own conservative cardinal elected. When it becomes clear that they do not have the numbers (though it is very close) at Luther's death the majority of the conservatives refuse to attend the election in Rome, and instead hold an election process in Munich (or some other town). Two Popes are elected, one in Rome, the other in Bavaria, and the catholic world splits.

This alternate reform would turn Rome and all that side with it into Protestant religion, with Bavaria and the conservatives as Catholic (later CRC). The effect is pretty radical, with a delayed and possibly more intense reformation, one that would be more impactful on the countries that normally avoid it, like Eire, Iberia and Italy and a little less intense on France, England and Scotland, most of which will happily side with the reformed catholic church.

MattyG

I thought about this, and am not sure. It could mean the actual protestising of the game mechanics doesn't occur until the mid 1550's. And the events and social changes within the church which allow Luther to become Pope, mean that the church, generally, is lutheran/humanist, not catholic. If Luther in our game is as determined as Luther IRL, then I suspect he would settle for those changes to occur under a succesor. He'd want them to happen on his watch.

But I think more about it.

Love the new loan work MattyG, great stuff.

 

[MattyG]

Yes, but ...

The church will go Protestant. It will still be called the Catholic Church, of course, but will get the protestant 'stats'. It just won't happen until the end of Luther's period as pope. It will take a lot for princes who are essentially conservative to rebel against the Papal father.

 

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Yes, but ...

The church will go Protestant. It will still be called the Catholic Church, of course, but will get the protestant 'stats'. It just won't happen until the end of Luther's period as pope. It will take a lot for princes who are essentially conservative to rebel against the Papal father.

Riiiiiight.

I feel the church will be called the Catholic Church for the whole game. But acts protestant. I think we are on the same page now.