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So i have gotten Sengoku for preordering march of the eagle and i checked it and the game seems to be really similar to CK2 in terms of graphic and game concept. Is it me or was sengoku actually a basis for creating CK2? I want to know for just curiosity sake.:)
 
Interestingly enough i remember once hearing that sengoku was produced along side CK2 so you could say that they are the same game but in different places but i would say they both have there good and bad parts technically they are based on each other but over the years CK2 has had many new DLC and is very different from when it realised Sengoku on the other hand hasn't been so lucky
 
Sengoku's development started after CK2's did and it was released before CK2. So CK2 is actually Sengoku 's base, not vice-versa. Since CK2's development time was very long and PI has to make money somehow, they seem to have used some of CK2's code and made Sengoku. This gave them enough time to finish CK2 without great financial loses.
 
Sengoku and CK2 are so different from a gameplay perspective that I'm baffled that people consider them similar. There are similar concepts (vassals, levies...), but Sengoku is basically all about war and conquest, and CK2 is much more about diplomacy, though of course with a good dose of war thrown in. For instance, in Sengoku, you pay for levies on your own dime, but in CK2, your vassals are paying for them. This sounds like a fairly minor difference, but in fact it changes the entire game. In Sengoku you can go around fighting wars nonstop, but in CK2 your vassals get cheesed off if you keep their levies raised too long, and they'll only give you as many troops as they want to let you have, too. Sengoku also gives you full control over a territory as soon as you capture it, whereas CK2 uses the warscore system much like the EU games, which greatly affects the dynamics of war and generally makes it much easier to conquer the enemy.

I basically consider Sengoku a wargame with some character interaction thrown in, whereas CK2 is a character game with some war thrown in.

Sengoku and CK2 are similar from an engine/UI perspective, but the real meat of a game is in how it plays.
 
Sengoku's development started after CK2's did and it was released before CK2. So CK2 is actually Sengoku 's base, not vice-versa. Since CK2's development time was very long and PI has to make money somehow, they seem to have used some of CK2's code and made Sengoku. This gave them enough time to finish CK2 without great financial loses.

Sure seems like it. It was a cash grab. Everyone who supported Paradox loyally and bought the game upon release has ended up with a game that will likely

never be updated or expanded upon. :(
 
Sure seems like it. It was a cash grab. Everyone who supported Paradox loyally and bought the game upon release has ended up with a game that will likely

never be updated or expanded upon. :(

Thats not PI's fault as much as the fact the game failed to reach expectations (which, due to smaller budget, were not as high as for CK2 and EU4).
On other hand, at least the game is stable and the patches are not necessary as much as expansions are wanted.
 
This gave them enough time to finish CK2 without great financial loses.

The decision to make Sengoku had nothing to do with any sort of "financing of CKII".
 
Sure seems like it. It was a cash grab.

You seem to like that phrase, "cash grab". How exactly was the game a cash grab? Are you saying we made a lot of money on it?
 
I had an epiphany yesterday or so that I think emphasizes the differences between CK2 and Sengoku. Sengoku is a military strategy sim with some feudalism bolted on. CK2 is a feudalism sim with some military strategy bolted on.
 
I had an epiphany yesterday or so that I think emphasizes the differences between CK2 and Sengoku. Sengoku is a military strategy sim with some feudalism bolted on. CK2 is a feudalism sim with some military strategy bolted on.
Yet somehow CK2 ended up with more detailed combat and more complex army management. And boats.
 
You seem to like that phrase, "cash grab". How exactly was the game a cash grab? Are you saying we made a lot of money on it?

What is true about Sengoku is that it cost me about $40 on release and then was given away for free with a $20 game what, a year later?
 
Considering the contents and prices of board games such as Shogun or Ikusa, Paradox did a nice work by Sengoku.
 
What is true about Sengoku is that it cost me about $40 on release and then was given away for free with a $20 game what, a year later?

It was released almost one and a half years ago and it did not cost $40 but $30. But I'm not sure what your point is.