Is the EU an Empire?

[Anatur]

Tell that to the Chechens.

I said Russian sphere,not a part of Russia.

Just have some friendly Russians in our government telling our politicians to stop doing silly things.

"No comrade,you cant spend another 500 million kuna's on Audi's,we want you to spend that money on improving your railroads so we can use them."

 

[Adamgerd]

Im personally fine with some superpower having us in its sphere of influence since i dont trust my countries leadership at all.

Although i have my doubts about Western powers due to their GMO stuff along with their habit of being magnets for extremist actions.

I feel my region would be safer in the Russian sphere.(awaits the assaults of angry east europeans and americans)

I would prefer my country to be independent, but since that looks to never happen, I would prefer the US than the EU. You know that GMO stuff is not harmful though and everything is GMO? Banana's are GMO and originally had seeds and were inedible. If Russia accepted Czech culture and our slavic relation they wouldn't be as bad and might even be a plausible alternative. I do understand the comment about the country's leadership. My country had great leaders (Masaryk, Havel, Klaus) but then deteoriated and now we have Zeman instead

 

[adriankowaty]

You're Czech or Polish?
I want my country to be fully independent and have absolute territorial sovereignty. We were under Austrian rule, German rule, Russian rule, etc. I want my country to stay indedepedent and free. Is that so bad?

Silesian. Melt Germans with Poles and Czechs and you get them .
I only want to have my Upper Silesia under EU.

 

[Adamgerd]

Silesian. Melt Germans with Poles and Czechs and you get them .
I only want to have my Upper Silesia under EU.

Ah. I understand your slieslian plight of Poland, wanting to come back to Czech. It's ok, you can migrate here always. And Upper Slieslia isn't a country. You do what Warsaw does. So if Warsaw leaves, you can't stay in unless you become independent

 

[adriankowaty]

Ah. I understand your slieslian plight of Poland, wanting to come back to Czech. It's ok, you can migrate here always. And Upper Slieslia isn't a country. You do what Warsaw does. So if Warsaw leaves, you can't stay in unless you become independent

I support Silesian authonomists and care little what Warsaw do.
If the PiS will mess the EU membership like you're advocating to do, then they'll be in trouble.

 

[Adamgerd]

I support Silesian authonomists and care little what Warsaw do.
If the PiS will mess the EU membership like you're advocating to do, then they'll be in trouble.

I am advocating for the Czech ANO and ODS to do it, not for PiS (I am not a pole and don't really care about that). And really they'd be in trouble? Numerous polls have show the majority of poles are EU-sceptic and would probably support it. So how would they be in trouble exactly. Except Warsaw still controls upper slieslia whether you care or not and their laws for example affect you, etc.

 

[adriankowaty]

I am advocating for the Czech ANO and ODS to do it, not for PiS (I am not a pole and don't really care about that). And really they'd be in trouble? Numerous polls have show the majority of poles are EU-sceptic and would probably support it. So how would they be in trouble exactly. Except Warsaw still controls upper slieslia whether you care or not and their laws for example affect you, etc.

Simply because they'll get even more demonstrations and anarchy like it is now.
Whole economy lives on european dotations (especially in PiS-supported powiats and gminas) and only richest regions (like mine) can live without it.
When they get it out, they'll fall preety soon.

 

[Adamgerd]

Simply because they'll get even more demonstrations and anarchy like it is now.
Whole economy lives on european dotations (especially in PiS-supported powiats and gminas) and only richest regions (like mine) can live without it.
When they get it out, they'll fall preety soon.

Poland is anarchy? Economy does not live on European donations. Poland survived and even grew without the EU from 1989 to 2003. Why shouldn't it survive without the EU now? It didn't fall them, what should change?

 

[Anatur]

I wasnt aware that West Slavs had so many internal problems.

From a Balkan perspective i always saw them as the boring flavor of Slav,they were certainly the most uneventful during the past 2 decades.

I would be honestly surprised if they had any sort of rioting or anarchy.

 

[Adamgerd]

I wasnt aware that West Slavs had so many internal problems.

From a Balkan perspective i always saw them as the boring flavor of Slav,they were certainly the most uneventful during the past 2 decades.

I would be honestly surprised if they had any sort of rioting or anarchy.

Uneventful? Well compared to balkans, but let's see. Czech had the fall of communism, the dissolution of Czechoslovakia, the acceptance to the EU. From the Czech perspective, the balkan slavs are crazily eventful, civil war, revolution, civil war, etc. Anyway yeah, so we're more stable. Also V4 is probably one of the most EU sceptic regions in the EU and is allowed which is why I think if it is an empire, it's a very loose one

 

[Anatur]

Uneventful? Well compared to balkans, but let's see. Czech had the fall of communism, the dissolution of Czechoslovakia, the acceptance to the EU. From the Czech perspective, the balkan slavs are crazily eventful, civil war, revolution, civil war, etc. Anyway yeah, so we're more stable. Also V4 is probably one of the most EU sceptic regions in the EU and is allowed which is why I think if it is an empire, it's a very loose one

But you had all those things without a massive death toll.

And not only the South Slavs were "eventful".

The East Slavs had several conflicts across the region,some of them rather obscure nowadays but which non-the-less killed many people.

As such i just find it odd why West Slavs would have any issue with the current situation,they seem to be having the easiest time of it compared to the rest of Eastern Europe which is either bankrupt or killing itself.

 

[adriankowaty]

Poland is anarchy? Economy does not live on European donations. Poland survived and even grew without the EU from 1989 to 2003. Why shouldn't it survive without the EU now? It didn't fall them, what should change?

Richer regions do not depend.
But PiS electorate is from poorer ones, and these ones are these which depend on European dotations.
And whole economy progress accelerated under EU. The 90s were rather economy total crash.

 

[Adamgerd]

Richer regions do not depend.
But PiS electorate is from poorer ones, and these ones are these which depend on European dotations.
And whole economy progress accelerated under EU. The 90s were rather economy total crash.

Then that's the opposite of the Czech economy. The growth rate of Czech started slowing down when it entered the EU

 

[Adamgerd]

But you had all those things without a massive death toll.

And not only the South Slavs were "eventful".

The East Slavs had several conflicts across the region,some of them rather obscure nowadays but which non-the-less killed many people.

As such i just find it odd why West Slavs would have any issue with the current situation,they seem to be having the easiest time of it compared to the rest of Eastern Europe which is either bankrupt or killing itself.

Any issue with current situation? Because they might be bankrupt, but at least they have full territorial sovereignty. Belarus is poorer, but it has full territorial sovereignty and doesn't have to abide by an organization's legislation which the government and the people disagree with. Czech was richer under Austria than after it, but was it better for Czechs? Also I don't see what this has to do with the EU being an empire

 

[Anatur]

Any issue with current situation? Because they might be bankrupt, but at least they have full territorial sovereignty. Belarus is poorer, but it has full territorial sovereignty and doesn't have to abide by an organization's legislation which the government and the people disagree with. Czech was richer under Austria than after it, but was it better for Czechs? Also I don't see what this has to do with the EU being an empire

I was simply curious about West Slavic affairs since i dont know much about contemporary history of that place.

In terms of empires there is an overall feeling here that we cant really govern ourselves.

If someone offered a referendum to rebuild the old Austrian Empire and give them control of our economy,politics and legal system i imagine the results would be very favorable.

Part of it might have to do with the fact that our railroads are from that period,as are most of the shelves in the public offices.

 

[adriankowaty]

I was simply curious about West Slavic affairs since i dont know much about contemporary history of that place.

In terms of empires there is an overall feeling here that we cant really govern ourselves.

If someone offered a referendum to rebuild the old Austrian Empire and give them control of our economy,politics and legal system i imagine the results would be very favorable.

Part of it might have to do with the fact that our railroads are from that period,as are most of the shelves in the public offices.

I'd also support such option.

 

[Anatur]

I'd also support such option.

 

[adriankowaty]

 

[wingo]

I could understand you if you wanted to return the "good old days" of the communist block under USSR (well most people remember only the later years which were relatively peaceful and without much repression, unlike the 50s), but Austria? The monarchy that in the end managed to be even more inept than the Russians and only matched by the Ottomans despite having a much better starting position? Some very rosy tinted glasses you wear
You can read what the Czechs think about anyone governing them from Adamgerd (and I do think he catches the public mood pretty well, but there IS a sizeable minority there which appreciates what EU does for them), and I can safely say a referendum about joining Austria-Hungary would fail spectacularly in Slovakia. The spectacular part would be mostly because of the Hungarian part (and I have a feeling all the slavic nations historically under the Hungarian part of the empire have similar feelings), but it would fail even with just Austria. Yes, there is also a lot of pub talk about badly governing ourselves etc. and it is mostly true, but a referendum is a different beast altogether. I think a referendum about remaining in the EU would probably fail at this time, but a referendum about leaving would definitely fail. We are just bad at referendums (there is a 50% quorum required), the two about joining EU and NATO were the only successfull ones in history

In the end, the EU is a much better alternative, and for you probably bonus points for it still being mostly led by the Germans

 

[adriankowaty]

I could understand you if you wanted to return the "good old days" of the communist block under USSR (well most people remember only the later years which were relatively peaceful and without much repression, unlike the 50s), but Austria? The monarchy that in the end managed to be even more inept than the Russians and only matched by the Ottomans despite having a much better starting position? Some very rosy tinted glasses you wear
You can read what the Czechs think about anyone governing them from Adamgerd (and I do think he catches the public mood pretty well, but there IS a sizeable minority there which appreciates what EU does for them), and I can safely say a referendum about joining Austria-Hungary would fail spectacularly in Slovakia. The spectacular part would be mostly because of the Hungarian part (and I have a feeling all the slavic nations historically under the Hungarian part of the empire have similar feelings), but it would fail even with just Austria. Yes, there is also a lot of pub talk about badly governing ourselves etc. and it is mostly true, but a referendum is a different beast altogether. I think a referendum about remaining in the EU would probably fail at this time, but a referendum about leaving would definitely fail. We are just bad at referendums (there is a 50% quorum required), the two about joining EU and NATO were the only successfull ones in history

In the end, the EU is a much better alternative, and for you probably bonus points for it still being mostly led by the Germans

The problem isn't raising national Austrian flag or German one.
The problem is to reform EU into Austrian-like confederacy of states.
With both Austrian and German governace.
I'm monarchist to some degree, with making the monarch being executive power but giving the parliament whole legislature.
I understand that old pre1914 competition between Germans and Austrians who is better democratic state, but I'm not against the EU.
It is a must to keep peace and stability in Europe and give ous some level of international importance, with the only problem being if the model is more decentralized or centralized one.